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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:24 AM Dec 2019

Top Evangelical Magazine Calls For Trump's Removal From Office

Source: Huffington Post

12/19/2019 08:08 pm ET

The editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, which was founded by Billy Graham, says none of Trump’s positives can balance his “grossly immoral character.”

By Carol Kuruvilla

The editor of a Christian magazine founded by the famous evangelist Billy Graham is calling for President Donald Trump’s removal from office.

Mark Galli, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, published an editorial on Thursday telling his readers that the impeachment hearings “illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see.”

“The facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents,” Galli wrote. “That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.”

Trump’s evangelical supporters justify their loyalty to the president by pointing to his Supreme Court nominees, defense of religious liberty, stewardship of the economy, and other achievements, Galli wrote. But none of the political wins Trump has achieved for evangelicals can justify the “moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.”



Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christianity-today-trump-removal-from-office_n_5dfbfe53e4b0843d35f8ea9b

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Top Evangelical Magazine Calls For Trump's Removal From Office (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2019 OP
that has gotta smart eh donny boy? BootinUp Dec 2019 #1
Can't wait to see his response. Grokenstein Dec 2019 #7
Evangelical magazine founded by Billy Graham calls for Trump's removal from office Judi Lynn Dec 2019 #2
Read the replies and YIKES Jake Stern Dec 2019 #3
Which replies? where? dogknob Dec 2019 #4
Could be a reference to the magazine's Twitter page: Judi Lynn Dec 2019 #9
I found something there near the top I had never seen before: Judi Lynn Dec 2019 #11
He was fined around $15 million for white collar crime. Lonestarblue Dec 2019 #23
the media was too busy giving him free airtime and ignoring Sanders and the Democrats scarytomcat Dec 2019 #32
Hi, Jake. softydog88 Dec 2019 #35
Thanks! Jake Stern Dec 2019 #44
Burn! I mean Spurn Him! Spurn!!!! BootinUp Dec 2019 #5
That ought to leave a my on the IMPOTUS. Historic NY Dec 2019 #6
It's easy to dismiss this ... NanceGreggs Dec 2019 #8
I think being only the 3rd to be impeached has cured their blindness BootinUp Dec 2019 #12
"...the start of something big." sprinkleeninow Dec 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author sprinkleeninow Dec 2019 #14
They are happy to throw "their own" overboard jberryhill Dec 2019 #34
Not easily manipulated? NanceGreggs Dec 2019 #37
"The minute their "Christian leaders" told them..." jberryhill Dec 2019 #38
It's their stupidity ... NanceGreggs Dec 2019 #39
Hallelujah! YOHABLO Dec 2019 #10
Now he is immoral? Deb Dec 2019 #15
Franklin Graham will not be Scarsdale Dec 2019 #16
Evangelicals would love to see a President Pence. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2019 #17
True but they are also willing to keep on embracing Trump as long as they feel like cstanleytech Dec 2019 #18
what positives? Like the majority of fascist repukes in power he thinks religion is just another yaesu Dec 2019 #19
Am hoping that one leaves a mark ... like a tire track UpInArms Dec 2019 #20
Trump, President #I-3-45, followed a great President 44 bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #21
He is having his twitter tantrum right on schedule Woodwizard Dec 2019 #22
They deserve each other jberryhill Dec 2019 #24
We need more and more Editors of religious mags and organizations to do the same. riversedge Dec 2019 #25
Won't make a dent with these people jberryhill Dec 2019 #26
agreed stevesinpa Dec 2019 #29
An iconic cartoon LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #36
Uninspiring Aphotic Dec 2019 #27
"stewardship of the economy" stevesinpa Dec 2019 #28
What you want to bet Mark Galli gets fired? YOHABLO Dec 2019 #30
Announced back in October FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #33
positives? scarytomcat Dec 2019 #31
Evangelical Leaders Close Ranks With Trump After Scathing Editorial Eugene Dec 2019 #40
Positives? Brainfodder Dec 2019 #41
Lock him up!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2019 #42
Better late than never RussBLib Dec 2019 #43

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
2. Evangelical magazine founded by Billy Graham calls for Trump's removal from office
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:29 AM
Dec 2019


By ASSOCIATED PRESS
DEC. 19, 2019 9 PM

NEW YORK — A major evangelical Christian magazine founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham on Thursday published an editorial calling for President Trump’s removal from office.

The editorial in Christianity Today — coming one day after the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives made Trump the third president in American history to be impeached — raised fresh questions about the durability of his support among the conservative evangelicals who have proved to be a critical component of his political base.

The magazine’s editorial, written by editor in chief Mark Galli, envisions a message to those evangelical Christians who have remained stalwart Trump backers “in spite of his blackened moral record.”

“Remember who you are and whom you serve,” Galli’s editorial states. “Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency.”

More:
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-12-19/evangelical-magazine-christianity-today-trump-must-go

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
4. Which replies? where?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:46 AM
Dec 2019

Neither the original article in CT nor the stories referenced in this thread (HuffPost & LA Times) have replies.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
11. I found something there near the top I had never seen before:
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:47 AM
Dec 2019
CNN
@CNN
· May 22, 2017
The Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in the early 1990s, according to the IRS http://cnn.it/2qGVXx2


Whoa! No wonder he doesn't want his taxes revealed.

That's when he should have been thrown in a deep hole UNDER the slammer.



Lonestarblue

(9,963 posts)
23. He was fined around $15 million for white collar crime.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:41 AM
Dec 2019

No wonder Trump thinks he is above the law. He has gotten away with breaking many of them his whole life. This information was easy to find during the 2016 election, but the major media never reported it. Nor do I remember seeing much, if anything, about the federal government going after him for refusing to rent to minorities. The media should have reported Trump’s questionable dealings, but they gave him a pass and allowed his lies of amazing business success to stand. Meanwhile, they couldn't write enough stories about Hillary’s innocuous emails. We all know this here, but I fear that the media will be in Trump’s court again for 2020–another hurdle to overcome.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
32. the media was too busy giving him free airtime and ignoring Sanders and the Democrats
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:03 PM
Dec 2019

his history is well documented
Even now it would be good if the media gave us his history in specifics.

softydog88

(126 posts)
35. Hi, Jake.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:26 PM
Dec 2019

I tried to send you a private email, but I don't have enough posts. I think you have a typo in your signature line. It says "I can't be bargained with," and I think you mean 'it,' not 'I.'

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
8. It's easy to dismiss this ...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:01 AM
Dec 2019

... as inconsequential - as many are already doing.

The fact is that the tiniest crack in the dam can eventually lead to a flood that can't be stopped.

We all know how easily-manipulated the 'religious right' is - and they are especially vulnerable to the words that come from 'their own'.

This could very well be the start of something big.

BootinUp

(47,138 posts)
12. I think being only the 3rd to be impeached has cured their blindness
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:00 AM
Dec 2019

to his many grievous faults, simply because it becomes a bigger blight on anyone who does look away, excuse, etc.

Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #8)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. They are happy to throw "their own" overboard
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:51 PM
Dec 2019

I don't agree that they are "easily-manipulated" either. It took a long and concerted effort to cement them into fold of right-wing conservatism, and they've experienced some shrinkage as a consequence of that.

Also, from Christianity Today:



There is only one trendline showing substantial growth in that picture - mostly, but not entirely, due to the relative collapse of mainline protestants, who aren't really "mainline" anymore and have not been for some time. Basically, the mainline protestants are dissolving between evangelical congregations and saying "screw this nonsense."

But even that is not enough to prop up the evangelicals. And that's the good news.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
37. Not easily manipulated?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:36 PM
Dec 2019

The minute their “Christian leaders” told them that Trump – a lying, twice divorced, thrice married, self-declared pussy-grabber – was a good Christian chosen by God to lead a nation, they swallowed it whole.

The same people who were horrified that Michelle Obama went sleeveless now claim that Melania is a perfect FLOTUS – despite the fact that her nude photos are all over the internet.

Easily manipulated? You betcha!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. "The minute their "Christian leaders" told them..."
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:42 PM
Dec 2019

That's the key phrase.

The opinion of one editor of CT doesn't cut it with them. He's not one of their "leaders" and he's already announced he's leaving the magazine. This is just his parting shot, and they know it.

Check out the replies on Twitter if you don't believe it.

They will follow their leaders. They will not be persuaded or manipulated by anything that doesn't come through the right channels, and this editorial is not that.

So, easy for their leaders to manipulate. Absolutely stuck on stupid when it comes to anyone else.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
39. It's their stupidity ...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 06:19 PM
Dec 2019

... that makes them easy to manipulate. The GOP targets 'the stupid' because they can be persuaded of literally anything - like consistently voting against their own best interests.

Intelligent people ask questions, seek out the facts. Stupid people just believe what they're told to believe.

I think too many people are awaiting a Trump action or statement that will drive the RW Christians away in one fell swoop. That's not going to happen - but little trickles here and there sometimes become a flood over time.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
16. Franklin Graham will not be
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 06:17 AM
Dec 2019

pleased with this. He is a staunch supporter of tRump. He also stated "Mrs. Trump is the CLASSIEST first lady to ever set foot in the WH" Yeah, right, Frankie. He must have really been a fan of her nude, lesbian photos. Her lies on her bio about 5 college degrees, how she barely speaks English after all these years. Her pleasant scowl in all her photos. Classy, right Frankie?

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
18. True but they are also willing to keep on embracing Trump as long as they feel like
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:30 AM
Dec 2019

they are winning and to hell with the long term consequences for the country.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
19. what positives? Like the majority of fascist repukes in power he thinks religion is just another
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:44 AM
Dec 2019

moronic base to manipulate.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
20. Am hoping that one leaves a mark ... like a tire track
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:50 AM
Dec 2019

From a bus ...

The article is also posted on Marketwatch... which has suddenly become a place where no one (or very few) are defending the impeached menace

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/major-evangelical-christian-magazine-says-trump-must-be-removed-from-office-2019-12-19?mod=home-page

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
21. Trump, President #I-3-45, followed a great President 44
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:15 AM
Dec 2019

and that is part of his misfortune. He worked so hard to diminish Obama and spent no time of his own thinking about how to achieve anything other than a Wrecking Ball Presidency.

Pile on your abbreviations.

Trump, President #I-3-45-WBP

One for the dustbin of history

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. Won't make a dent with these people
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:21 AM
Dec 2019

They aren't going to give a crap about the opinion of one editor of a magazine.


 

Aphotic

(18 posts)
27. Uninspiring
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:28 AM
Dec 2019

The republicant base is so enthralled and utterly devoted to Trump that none of this will matter. Remember, we're dealing with people who think an iron age war god exists, spoke to a bearded man through a burning bush, and ordered them to evangelize everyone.

These are literal psychopaths who would be comitted if it weren't for the intellectual stagnation of American psyche.

stevesinpa

(143 posts)
28. "stewardship of the economy"
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:12 AM
Dec 2019

I am so sick of right wingers pushing the fantasy that the subhuman is good with the economy. he has slowed President Obama's economic growth, it has done nothing positive for our economy. ask the farmers

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
33. Announced back in October
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:15 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.christianitytoday.org/media-room/news/2019/mark-galli-announces-retirement-as-editor-in-chief.html

Carol Stream, IL October 7, 2019 — Mark Galli announced his retirement as editor in chief of Christianity Today, where he has served in various editorial roles for the last 30 years.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
31. positives?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:57 AM
Dec 2019

like immoral personal conduct, none church going, call people names, lying, cheating, womanizing and all the rest of his disgusting behavior. He is disgusting.

Eugene

(61,858 posts)
40. Evangelical Leaders Close Ranks With Trump After Scathing Editorial
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 06:58 PM
Dec 2019

Source: New York Times

Evangelical Leaders Close Ranks With Trump After Scathing Editorial

Christianity Today’s call for President Trump’s removal gave voice to his evangelical critics. But they remain a minority in a political movement that Mr. Trump has reshaped in his own mold.

By Elizabeth Dias and Jeremy W. Peters
Dec. 20, 2019
Updated 2:55 p.m. ET

The publication is small, reaching just a fraction of the evangelical movement.

But when Christianity Today called for President Trump’s removal in a blistering editorial on Thursday, it met the full force and fury of the president and his most prominent allies in the Christian conservative world. If the response seemed disproportionate, it vividly reflected the nuanced reality of evangelical Christianity in the Trump era.

While white evangelicals are the cornerstone of Mr. Trump’s political base and their leaders are among his most visible and influential spokesmen, a significant number of people who are followers of the faith remain deeply uncomfortable with the alliance with the president.

Mr. Trump, after being impeached this week, has repeatedly insisted that the Republican Party and its voters are unanimously lined up behind him. And on Friday he lashed out on two separate occasions at Christianity Today, erroneously calling it a “far left magazine” that was doing the Democratic Party’s bidding.

“I guess the magazine, ‘Christianity Today,’ is looking for Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, or those of the socialist/communist bent, to guard their religion,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter on Friday. “How about Sleepy Joe? The fact is, no President has ever done what I have done for Evangelicals, or religion itself!”

-snip-


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/politics/christianity-today-trump-evangelicals.html

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
43. Better late than never
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:57 PM
Dec 2019

I guess

I suppose it could shake loose a few votes from Trump. A few here, a few there, and before you know it, Trump is out.

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