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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:10 PM Feb 2020

Turkey and Russia Near Breaking Point in Syrian Standoff

Source: Bloomberg

As Turkey slides toward war with Russian-backed Syrian forces, Ankara has appealed to the U.S. and European allies for support in a conflict that risks undermining the friendly ties he’s built with Moscow. The about-turn comes as the threat rises of a mass refugee movement toward Turkey, and of the defeat of Turkish-backed rebels in Syria.

Ankara’s answer is to reach out to Washington to ask for a pair of Patriot missile-defense batteries to be deployed on the Syrian border. It needs the U.S.-operated Patriots to deter Russian air strikes in support of an offensive on Idlib, the last rebel stronghold in Syria, by forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad. Turkey also signaled its readiness to accept similar support from European allies.

The request is an abrupt change of tack for Erdogan after years of goading the U.S. and European partners, and underlines how much is at stake for Turkey as it wades into the Syrian conflict on the opposing side to Russia. While Turkey insists it will avoid any confrontation with Russian forces, the pressure on Erdogan to respond is rising as the toll of Turkish casualties mounts.

“We’re on the edge of the precipice and we need to come to a deal,” said Irina Zvyagelskaya, a Middle East expert at the state-funded Institute of Oriental Studies in Moscow. The latest Turkish deaths this week brought home the dangerous and unpredictable nature of the situation, and “should be a wake-up call,” she said.

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-21/turkey-and-russia-near-breaking-point-in-syria-military-standoff



As war between Turkey, Syria, and Russia loom on the horizon, Erdogan has pulled a 180 and come crawling back to the West for military and humanitarian assistance. Now he is asking (quite ironically) for a pair of US Patriot missile systems to deploy in southern Turkey to threaten Russian air assets. Quite a troublesome request as these systems would have US service members at their controls.

There are also reports out in the twitterverse that Russia has struck Turkish armored forces and destroyed several of their tanks.
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Turkey and Russia Near Breaking Point in Syrian Standoff (Original Post) Devil Child Feb 2020 OP
Must be fake news. Trump solved all the problems there last year. IADEMO2004 Feb 2020 #1
Will Putin Be Too BUsy With A War Of Choice To Mess With Our Election? Me. Feb 2020 #2
A smorgasbord of calamities wouldn't be complete without some schadenfreude chicken. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2020 #3
Here is an idea for Erdogan: Establish a homeland for the Kurds in N. Syria, between the NCjack Feb 2020 #4
Yea . . I thought President Dunning-Kruger had transformed Syria Strelnikov_ Feb 2020 #5
F**k Erdogan atreides1 Feb 2020 #6
Go screw yourself Erdogan! gembaby1 Feb 2020 #7
Throw Turkey out of NATO. roamer65 Feb 2020 #8
Turkey has no right to be in Syria. (Just like the US.) Boulevardier Feb 2020 #9
or Russia in Ukraine & Crimea. Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #13
Who will Trump betray next? keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #10
I'm confused. OneCrazyDiamond Feb 2020 #11
Greenwald and Scahill were unavailable for comment Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #12
Is this the future war that will bluestarone Feb 2020 #14
So, you want to be an ally again. paleotn Feb 2020 #15
A pox on both their houses. n/t Coventina Feb 2020 #16
Civilians being targeted, supposedly 3 million or so. jeffreyi Feb 2020 #17
Erdogan got played....hard. Xolodno Feb 2020 #18

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Will Putin Be Too BUsy With A War Of Choice To Mess With Our Election?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:21 PM
Feb 2020

and will he still want the Voldemort in the WH if he gives Turkey weapons?

And the only losers in all this are the people in Syria whose lives are completely destroyed and devastated.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
4. Here is an idea for Erdogan: Establish a homeland for the Kurds in N. Syria, between the
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:23 PM
Feb 2020

Russian zone and the Turkish zone. Can't swallow enough pride to make peace with the Kurds? OK, then you and the Russians work out your problems.

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
6. F**k Erdogan
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020

The Turks invaded Syria on a bullshit premise...they can just as easily pull their troops back across the border

This just shows that the second largest military in NATO is a f**king paper tiger!!!



gembaby1

(253 posts)
7. Go screw yourself Erdogan!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:48 PM
Feb 2020

After what you did to the Kurds, you”lll be lucky to have any friends or stay in NATO at all!

 

Boulevardier

(91 posts)
9. Turkey has no right to be in Syria. (Just like the US.)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:27 PM
Feb 2020

As brutal as it is, the Assad regime is the recognized government of Syria. It invited the Russians in to help. It didn't invite the Turks in to meddle. And it didn't invite the Americans in to meddle.

Turkey is only prolonging the end of the Syrian civil war, which Assad has won. It is protecting two fighting forces: Armed rebels which it backs and jihadi militants. Turkey needs to get out and take its rebels with it.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
15. So, you want to be an ally again.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:54 PM
Feb 2020

after we just got use to Turkey not being a strategic linch pin anymore. Well, the sky didn't fall so maybe we don't need Turkey to contain the Russians to the Black Sea. Maybe Erdogan needs to lie in the bed he's made for himself.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
18. Erdogan got played....hard.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:21 AM
Feb 2020

He thought he could regain an old slice of the Ottoman Empire...maybe even have some influence with Putin's blessing in Damascus. Whoops.

And with him also deploying into Libya, he's stretching his military a bit thin....no doubt making some Greek generals salivate a bit.

Plus, nice section of the Cyprus Island you got there, be a shame something happened to it.

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