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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:13 PM Apr 2020

Liberal Justice Slammed for Joining Conservative Dissent That 'Ignores Racist History' of Jury Issue

Source: Law & Crime

When the Supreme Court of the United States handed down its ruling in Ramos v. Louisiana on Monday, many were unprepared to see liberal Justice Elena Kagan side with Justice Samuel Alito’s dissent along with Chief Justice John Roberts.

At issue in the case was a Louisiana criminal procedure rule (as well as a similar one in Oregon) that allows criminal defendants to be convicted by a jury vote of 10 to 2 – instead of the usual requirement for unanimity. Part of the majority’s lengthy analysis centered around the rules’ history, which had been rooted in racism

Justice Neil Gorsuch, writing for the majority, called out non-unanimous jury rules for being engineered to nullify the votes of black jurors. Gorsuch wrote that the origins of the rules were clearly tied to white supremacy, and included many trappings of Jim Crow. Gorsuch explained that the rule was adopted “with a careful eye on racial demographics.” Gorsuch said it was designed to appear facially-neutral in an effort “to ensure that African-American juror service would be meaningless.”

The dissenting trio, however, wouldn’t hear any of these accusations. Alito accused the majority of raising racism as nothing more than an ad hominem attack on Louisiana: “If Louisiana and Oregon originally adopted their laws allowing non-unanimous verdicts for these reasons, that is deplorable, but what does that have to do with the broad constitutional question before us? The answer is: nothing.”

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/supreme-court/liberal-justice-slammed-for-joining-conservative-dissent-that-ignores-racist-history/

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Liberal Justice Slammed for Joining Conservative Dissent That 'Ignores Racist History' of Jury Issue (Original Post) Calista241 Apr 2020 OP
'The dissent went a step further, elleng Apr 2020 #1
I thought that it had to be a unanimous verdict. LiberalArkie Apr 2020 #2
It isn't, in most places... regnaD kciN Apr 2020 #4
It is my understanding that the non-unanimous vote is outlawed now. Or is unanimous vote is outlawed LiberalArkie Apr 2020 #5
The Supreme Court - or at least a majority of the Supreme Court - agree with you. TomSlick Apr 2020 #7
Strange bedfellows... regnaD kciN Apr 2020 #3
I think at least some of the issues involved Sgent Apr 2020 #9
Amazing to see the 'strict constructionists' appeal to historic context and international standards bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #6
This is a really weird split. intheflow Apr 2020 #8
Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion in the Flowers case... Blasphemer Apr 2020 #16
Intersting! intheflow Apr 2020 #20
You're welcome!... nt Blasphemer Apr 2020 #21
Key Word: DISSENT Sir Normie Apr 2020 #10
Welcome to DU grantcart Apr 2020 #11
Everybody has Free Will Sir Normie Apr 2020 #17
Well except for the Calvinists grantcart Apr 2020 #18
Can we really say the wingnuts lost if Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Thomas were in the majority? Calista241 Apr 2020 #15
Sure we Can Sir Normie Apr 2020 #19
We can't count on anyone. TeamPooka Apr 2020 #12
The military also does qazplm135 Apr 2020 #13
Kick burrowowl Apr 2020 #14

elleng

(130,865 posts)
1. 'The dissent went a step further,
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:21 PM
Apr 2020

criticizing the majority for “mak[ing] no effort” to show that the non-unanimous jury rules were retained for legitimate non-racist purposes.

Alito raised the example of British Parliamentary and Puerto Rican laws that also allowed non-unanimous verdicts; those rules were made to ensure fairness and efficiency, not to silence black jurors.

“Was their aim to promote white supremacy? And how about the prominent scholars who have taken the same position? Racists all? Of course not,” Alito wrote. Then came a footnote:

“Among other things, allowing non-unanimous verdicts prevents mistrials caused by a single rogue juror, that is, a juror who refuses to pay attention at trial, expressly defies the law, or spurns deliberation. When unanimity is demanded, the work of preventing this must be done in large measure by more intensive voir dire and more aggressive use of challenges for cause and peremptory challenges.”

Alito accused his colleagues in the majority of going out of their way to focus on racism, thereby engaging in irrational and uncivil discourse:

“So all the talk about the Klan, etc., is entirely out of place. We dissenting should set an example of rational and civil discourse instead of contributing to the worst current trends.”'

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
2. I thought that it had to be a unanimous verdict.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:38 PM
Apr 2020

I remember all the old movies of the majority of the jurors badgering the remaining not guilty juror to vote guilty so they could go home. I never knew it was majority rules.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
4. It isn't, in most places...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:43 PM
Apr 2020

There were just a couple of states that allowed a "supermajority" verdict. Guess there aren't any after this.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
7. The Supreme Court - or at least a majority of the Supreme Court - agree with you.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:14 PM
Apr 2020

There were two states, Louisiana and Oregon, that allowed for less than unanimous verdicts in criminal cases. The federal courts and the courts in forty-eight other states require unanimous verdicts.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
3. Strange bedfellows...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:42 PM
Apr 2020

So one of the liberal justices sides with probably the most conservative one and the alleged-but-not-very-"swing"-vote chief justice...while a ruling that fights racism is written by Gorsuch, and supported by Kavanaugh and Thomas along with the remaining liberals? There must have been some interesting in camera discussions on this case.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
9. I think at least some of the issues involved
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:41 PM
Apr 2020

is how to apply it retroactively. LA already got rid of non-unanimous verdicts for crimes after Jan 1, 2019, but this case is from a decades old murder conviction.

They just overturned 100's (if not more) felony convictions so I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision.

bucolic_frolic

(43,137 posts)
6. Amazing to see the 'strict constructionists' appeal to historic context and international standards
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:11 PM
Apr 2020

Gorsuch cited the norms of the time that led to the 6th Amendment. Alito citing Britain and Puerto Rico is particularly rich. These are cracks in strict constructionism worth remembering.

intheflow

(28,462 posts)
8. This is a really weird split.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:26 PM
Apr 2020

The dissenting argument is that laws arise in pure, philosophical vacuums, devoid of any contemporary, historical, or societal context, a snapshot of justice sealed in amber for time ever-lasting?

Kavanaugh's siding with the majority on this is particularly interesting. Perhaps his eyes were opened a little after having his racism so publicly outed. I'd like to think so, though I'm guessing it was a calculated decision to avoid being dragged through the mud again. But whatever. I'm grateful for a sane majority rule from this court.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
16. Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion in the Flowers case...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:31 PM
Apr 2020

Overturning the conviction of an African-American man because of racist jury selection. As I understand it, jury bias has been an interest of his since his law school days.

https://www.apmreports.org/story/2019/06/21/curtis-flowers-wins-scotus-appeal

 

Sir Normie

(40 posts)
10. Key Word: DISSENT
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:46 PM
Apr 2020

Which means the Wingnuts lost. As for Kagan, she's her own person, and is not going to come down on the liberal side with every single ruling she ever makes. Please, let's not begin ideological purity testing on judges, too!

 

Sir Normie

(40 posts)
19. Sure we Can
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:21 PM
Apr 2020

I'm a Bottom-Liner: I care about the results. Racism got a punch in the face today. The particular details of said punch are entirely secondary.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
13. The military also does
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:08 PM
Apr 2020

Non-unanimous verdicts. It's not unheard of and one can make arguments why it's acceptable but I prefer unanimous verdicts across the board for consistency if nothing else.

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