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Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:13 AM

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up

Source: CNN

Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work.

"All I know is, this is crazy to me, because I can't see all these people going back into work," said Donald, who works at Tyson's Waterloo, Iowa, facility. "I don't think people are going to go back in there."

On Tuesday, Trump signed the order after some companies, such as Tyson Foods, were considering only keeping 20% of their facilities open. The vast majority of processing plants could have shut down ó which would have reduced processing capacity in the country by as much as 80%, an official familiar with the order told CNN.

"I just don't know how they're going to do it when there are people dying and getting really sick," said an employee of Tyson's Independence, Iowa, plant. "Who's to say people are even gonna show up to work?"



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/business/meat-processing-plant-workers-reaction-executive-order/index.html



This needs to be pushed to the forefront. These are workers in states that went for Trump in the last election. Their story, and the story of what Trump is doing to them now needs to be brought to the front of the national consciousness.

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whopis01 Apr 2020 OP
IronLionZion Apr 2020 #1
KS Toronado Apr 2020 #4
SharonAnn Apr 2020 #26
IronLionZion Apr 2020 #27
aggiesal Apr 2020 #39
AleksS Apr 2020 #2
Bayard Apr 2020 #13
Uben Apr 2020 #17
aggiesal Apr 2020 #40
Jamastiene Apr 2020 #3
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #8
Jamastiene Apr 2020 #10
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #12
Bengus81 Apr 2020 #23
whopis01 Apr 2020 #49
aggiesal Apr 2020 #42
whopis01 Apr 2020 #47
I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2020 #57
hadEnuf Apr 2020 #29
RainCaster Apr 2020 #30
bubbazero Apr 2020 #59
not fooled Apr 2020 #36
bluestarone Apr 2020 #5
Tree-Hugger Apr 2020 #6
ananda Apr 2020 #9
NCjack Apr 2020 #14
ananda Apr 2020 #60
Tree-Hugger Apr 2020 #33
aggiesal Apr 2020 #43
mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #37
rocktivity Apr 2020 #7
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #11
sarisataka Apr 2020 #16
aggiesal Apr 2020 #44
whopis01 Apr 2020 #51
whopis01 Apr 2020 #50
turbinetree Apr 2020 #15
Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2020 #18
beachbumbob Apr 2020 #19
ancianita Apr 2020 #21
beachbumbob Apr 2020 #22
ancianita Apr 2020 #24
TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #35
ancianita Apr 2020 #41
ancianita Apr 2020 #48
TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #54
duforsure Apr 2020 #20
liberalmuse Apr 2020 #25
ancianita Apr 2020 #53
Steelrolled Apr 2020 #28
questionseverything Apr 2020 #58
onecaliberal Apr 2020 #31
gab13by13 Apr 2020 #32
gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #34
aggiesal Apr 2020 #45
gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #46
Maxheader Apr 2020 #38
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 #52
Faux pas Apr 2020 #55
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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:14 AM

1. The king has issued his order

don't bore him with your petty problems you peasant.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:35 AM

4. I love how you worded that!!!!!!!!!

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:01 AM

26. They won't get unemployment insurance pmts. Eventually they'll starve?

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Response to SharonAnn (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:08 AM

27. Let them eat cake



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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:09 PM

39. I have only one thing to say about this comment ...









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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:15 AM

2. But how will Trump get his hamberders?

Why arenít the workers willing to die for his hamberders???? How selfish of them! (Sarcasm!)

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Response to AleksS (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:05 AM

13. Soylent Green......

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Response to Bayard (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:25 AM

17. Dont give him any ideas! nt

nt

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Response to AleksS (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:12 PM

40. Or his King's Fried Chicken (A.K.A KFC)? n/t

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:48 AM

8. And you know they voted for trump how?

I am led to believe most working in them are new immigrants and even undocumented. The lack of empathy is astounding.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:57 AM

12. Well..... I read the whole article and it seems to be missing.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:49 AM

23. He said the OP,not the article........

"This needs to be pushed to the forefront. These are workers in states that went for Trump in the last election. Their story, and the story of what Trump is doing to them now needs to be brought to the front of the national consciousness."

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Response to Bengus81 (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:20 PM

49. Just to be clear - I never said these workers voted for Trump.

I said that they are in states that voted for Trump.

I never suggested that the workers be further punished for how they voted. (You didn't suggest that either - but others in this subthread have suggested that).

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:32 PM

42. The article mentions ...

Waterloo and Independence Iowa

Waterloo is in Black Hawk County,
Here is how Black Hawk County voted in the 2016 Presidential Election

Black Hawk County
100% Reporting
Candidate - % of total votes - Total Votes
(D) H. Clinton - 50.6% - 32,006
(R) D. Trump - 43.3% - 27,382
(L) G. Johnson - 3.7% - 2,357
(G) J. Stein - 1.0% - 601
(P) E. McMullin - 0.8% - 483
(C) D. Castle - 0.3% - 202


Independence is in Buchanan County
Here is how Buchanan County voted in the 2016 Presidential Election

Buchanan County
100% Reporting
Candidate - % of total votes - Total Votes
(R) D. Trump - 54.3% - 5,504
(D) H. Clinton - 39.1% - 3,966
(L) G. Johnson - 4.7% - 478
(C) D. Castle - 0.6% - 58
(G) J. Stein - 0.5% - 54
(P) E. McMullin - 0.5% - 48


If you look at the map at this link https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/iowa/
Black Hawk County is the northern most county that voted for Hillary.
Buchanan County is the county immediately to the east of Black Hawk County.

One last point
Trump had a very different view of meat-packing plants a year ago, when he ordered the facilities to be raided by ICE and "illegals" be rounded up and deported. Nearly 30% of meat-packing workers are foreign-born, said a 2016 Government Accountability Office report. Nearly two-thirds are either Latino (35%), Black (20%) or Asian (8%), according to a 2016 Northwest Arkansas Workers' Justice Center report.


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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:17 PM

47. Just to be clear

I said they were in states that went for Trump. One person interviewed from the article worked for a plant in Iowa.

I did not say that the workers at the plant voted for Trump. Nor did I say that they should be punished for how they voted.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 08:45 PM

57. Narcissitic sociopaths like trump

Don't feel empathy. That's why they need to be kept away from all kinds of positions of power.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:23 AM

29. That is the hard truth. This is the type of government they wanted and voted for,

all while screeching "Lock her up" and "Let them die".

I do not wish harm on these people or anyone else, but they were warned and all they did was flip the bird to everyone who was trying to talk sense.

Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

30. It is amazing how the Religious Right voted for the Anti-Christ and still continues to support him

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:04 AM

59. I LIVE IN BLACKHAWK COUNTY IOWA

Most of the workers at TYSON'S (formerly IBP) are immigrants--as is true all over the meat packing industry. Black Hawk county is usually reliably DEMOCRAT leaning in it's politics. Significant minority communities, (African American, Bosnian, Latino, etc.) Most have come here over the decades for work in either meat packing or farm equipment or other manufacturing--John Deere, Chamberlain, CASE, etc. Neighbor who works at TYSON waterloo plant informed me, that plant workers were tested this past weekend--with approx. 44% testing positive. Deaths have already occurred, more to follow sadly. Yea, to some, we are referred to with the same contemptuous tone which some used when describing the Vietnam War soldiers--(during the war) I'm of that age--it ended shortly b4 I was eligible for the draft--Big sigh of relief as you can imagine--no possible college deferment in the future so very glad it ended. But I don't agree with ANYONE being treated as expendable even if we are just; The Niggers, The Spics, and The Hics. (that's what we were called then. and I swear sometimes that's how we're viewed now!) We are all created EQUAL and should be treated as such. Those workers in those plants--some of whom I know--are the same as the workers in those plants when I worked those kinds of jobs. They have Lives, they Love their Families, They Love Their Kids, and Their Kids Love Them. I Hope they are given the chance to stay safe, and given the same opportunities I had. Period.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:08 PM

36. The states overall went for trump

not necessarily these workers.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:35 AM

5. I 100% support the workers!

Fuck tRUMP!

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:36 AM

6. Let me get this straight

Based on what I see online from the Flu Klux Klan fighting for their freedumb:

A government official has no right to tell a business when it can and can't operate for a pandemic. It infringes on their Constitutional rights. Maga.

But....

Trump is a hero for signing an order forcing business to stay open during a pandemic. Maga.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:51 AM

9. They live in arglebargle-land.

Flu Klux Klan -- love it!

It's a tongue twister though. Try saying
it three times fast. Lol

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:17 AM

14. I can't get beyond "Flu Flux Flan".

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Response to NCjack (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 30, 2020, 09:18 AM

60. LOL

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:58 AM

33. I can't.

I can barely get it out twice without tripping over it.

Credit goes to DU. I picked that up on a post here.

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:34 PM

43. We call it Dumbfuckistan n/t

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:42 PM

37. The MAGAT's logical inconsistency is startlingly consistent (nt)

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:42 AM

7. At least not until every one of them can be tested first

#NationalCovidTestingNow


rocktivity

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 09:56 AM

11. I don't see your claim there trump supporters anywhere in the article

In fact it says they never had any faith in the administration and itís even less now.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:21 AM

16. I wondered that as well

Previous discussions indicated the workforce in these plants is made up primarily of immigrants. I do not believe that is a demographic that goes strongly for Trump.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:36 PM

44. See Post #42 n/t

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:27 PM

51. To be clear, I never said that the workers voted for Trump.

I said this was in states that went for Trump. That is a fact.

Others have tried to spin this into an opportunity to punish people for how they voted. That is about as far from my intent as you can possibly get.

My point was this is Trump directly hurting people in a state that went for him in the last election. This needs to get pushed in the media to try to get that state (and others) to go against him in the next election.

Maybe some people in that state who voted for him last time won't vote for him this time.

Maybe some people that didn't vote last time will come out and vote for Biden this time.

That was my point.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:23 PM

50. Why don't you point out where I made that claim? (Hint: I did not)

I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

I was very clear in my wording that this is happening in states that went for Trump. Iowa to be specific.

I never claimed the workers voted for Trump.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:19 AM

15. Someone should be standing out in front of the plant with a big old sign, telling the traitor, why

don't you come and stand next to us on the production line for 8 hours...........and take your fucking chances like we have to do, with your fucking executive order.............come on asshole show us your stuff...........man-up.....and then this coming November, you will be on unemployment line .............

Or........... I'm on the production line, where is trump--sitting on golf cart!!

Or ........I'm Here, Come and Stand next to me in the plant Trump?

Or.......November 3, 2020 Trump Unemployed..........Yeah



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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:29 AM

18. Testing AND effective PPE - why is there never any mention of the latter when

talking about returning to normal.

All I can say is, I dont intend to be crammed onto a bus or working next to someone breathing their air unless or until I have a real face mask on that actually seals to the face- not mom's homemade version that leaks like a sieve.

Yeah testing is all well and good, but that doesnt help me as an individual esp during those first days back out into the world.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:29 AM

19. federal govt could probably see to it that no unemployment will be paid, the real question

with trump closing the borders, who does he thinks would take a job at a meatpackers? Even under normal conditions its mostly immigrants

Trump won't do what is needed for our first responders? Why would he care to do anything for meat packer workers for their safety?

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:35 AM

21. Yeah, but the same thinking workers know there is employment out there, and they'll look.

Those who will survive will also seek out other jobs, say, in the green sector -- solar panels expansion, green fuel distribution.

Or they could open their own butcher shops for their cities, and get local suppliers in on it.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:42 AM

22. until we have some type of SAFETY in meat and food processors, we gonna have some big problems

won't happen until trump and gop are gone

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:57 AM

24. The "until" is now. Workers are now able to guarantee their own safety.

It's illogical to even assume they cannot be safe unless it is "provided" to them. Nope.

First, they can stay away from unsafe industries.

Second, they can compete by offering their services to those who WILL respect their work safety.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:06 PM

35. What employment?

While there aren't official statistics, the truth is that the unemployment rate is at double digit rates. These workers are considered "unskilled" and some of them are not fluent in English. The jobs that are being created are mostly in the food processing and distribution sectors where social distancing isn't possible and they are also highly vulnerable due to the pandemic. My friend in Austin who is 56 years old and a college degree switched from being an Amazon delivery driver for Whole Foods to an Uber Eats driver because he wasn't making enough money to pay the bills.

I'm filling out job application forms again even though I have almost zero chance of being hired. The number of job listings in the mathematical and IT fields has decreased drastically during the hiatus. I have two other friends with college degrees who are in their fifties that are unemployed--one has been unemployed for seven months, while the other friend took a job back in August 2019 before he decided to quit because his employer was being a flake (thank goodness that his three sons have good jobs as software engineers).

My friends in academia are also concerned as to whether they will hold onto their jobs since they don't know whether students will choose to enroll if they can't step foot on a college campus. Some of the students are contemplating taking a gap year to see how things will settle down. My alma mater saw a 20% drop in their endowment and while they remain in a strong financial condition, they have already cancelled various construction and maintenance projects that would have occurred this summer. While they are maintaining the grounds of the campus and have not laid off any workers, there will come a point where it will be necessary. There isn't much need for a janitorial staff to empty the trash cans in the dorms and offices when the campus is nearly empty. The same applies to the food service workers and bookstore employees because there isn't any demand for their services.

There isn't going to be any green energy development with the price of oil at such decreased levels. Most people are not going to invest in energy efficient systems with the price of energy being so low. Most people won't have the income to convert to green energy programs while surviving on an unemployment check.

Municipalities that went "green" were already backing out of their commitments prior to the pandemic because the prices of green energy were becoming too expensive (e.g., Georgetown, Texas was 100% renewable energy, but backed away because the costs for wind power weren't competitive and they had to hike the price to ratepayers).

Georgetown seeks third-party review of energy management (February 2019)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/107842293

Officials: Georgetown working to improve electric utility finances (November 2019)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/107844995

Once Hailed As A Renewable Mecca, Georgetown Hires Shell To Manage Its Energy Portfolio (December 2019)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/107845139

The economy has cratered and even if all businesses were to reopen at full capacity, the employment prospects for both skilled and unskilled workers are not going to improve very quickly. People that are over 50 years old may have to come to the terms with the fact that they won't ever be employed again or that they will have to take jobs that make only 50% of what they previously earned.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:17 PM

41. Wow, thanks for the cold shower. I needed that. I should know better and was only wishful thinking.

And thank you for the links.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:19 PM

48. Jobs are expanding in medical devices? IT support, assembling, packaging, sales,

engineering, in states like CA, UT, WA, TN, MO, FL, AZ, CO, TX (Austin 3, San Antonio, Woodlands, Conroe, Garland, ), MN, MT, IL, MA, CT, ID, VA, PA, IN, WI, LA, NY, SC, AK, NH, GA, NE... ?

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Jobs/Medical-Device-Manufacturing/12

https://www.glassdoor.com/Job/jobs.htm?suggestCount=0&suggestChosen=false&clickSource=searchBtn&typedKeyword=GE+Healthcare&sc.keyword=GE+Healthcare&locT=S&locId=1347&jobType=

https://www.indeed.com/q-Healthcare-Manufacturing-jobs.html?vjk=2ca888e7aa3a33b9

There's always been a disconnect between what's advertised and what's real.

If New York's politicians can think about greening, so can the rest of us ...

Earlier this year, we worked with Gov. Cuomo to pass the Accelerated Renewable Energy Growth and Community Benefit Act ... rules to draft, studies to finish, hearings to hold and a new agency to be set up. All that must happen as soon as possible.

Next, we have to create opportunities to leverage new private investment in our green economy.
For instance, the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority ó which has been doing excellent work ó controls a private market for the purchase of Renewable Energy Credits and Zero Emission Credits, allowing utilities to invest in clean energy to comply with environmental laws.

We should allow private property owners to purchase them as well. We should also create statewide carbon trading permitting energy producers, businesses and building owners to swap credits that add value to emissions reduction efforts.

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-revive-nys-economy-with-green-jobs-20200429-qdcyknu3z5f3pm2fgdkkc5h42m-story.html

Apologies if you're looking and I'm not helping.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 05:32 PM

54. The only subset that I could possibly fit would be in IT support.

I have no vehicle, no assets to start over with, and I don't live in the Austin area. If I take a job away from where I live, then I would have to begin my new career living at a homeless shelter. The few friends that I had that could help me out are either unemployed themselves or in living situations which are unusual.

Considering that I have diabetes, bipolar depression, am unable to stand or walk for more than brief spurts, and that I am part of the long-term unemployed that never found work after the Great Recession the chances that I will find a job are nearly zero. A few weeks ago I woke up and lost complete motor coordination in my left hand--I couldn't type, tie my shoes, or button my clothing for about a week. I've had complete strangers look at me and tell me that I appear to be disabled plus three psychiatrists also state that I was permanently disabled. I fell through the cracks when I applied for SSDI and I went through the entire appeal process.

It isn't that I haven't tried, but my skills have also become somewhat obsolete and I don't have any money for retraining. I'm about to turn 55 in slightly over a month and while I don't reveal my age on any of my applications or resume, there isn't much interest to hire someone that age when they can find candidates that are more suitable to the job functions. It's been over a year since my last interview and while my mental skills are still relatively strong, the complete lack of physical stamina was affecting me nearly fifteen years ago. I was lucky to hold out for as long as I did while I was employed, but I wouldn't be able to work the 70-80 hour work weeks again. I've made my contribution to society as a state employee and working for an insurance company. I also volunteered as treasurer and president of a public employees group, and tutored a couple of college students while I was employed. It wasn't as though I didn't care or lacked ambition.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:32 AM

20. He will do anything he can to hurt them then,

By refusing them any pay from this, and to send a message to others that won't bow down and do as he demands. He's going to see the similar things happening with his forcing kids back to school prematurely too. What idiot will send their kids back with an ongoing pandemic attacking us, and without adequate testing . Opening prematurely without testing is another disaster he'll then claim he had nothing to do with. He again will claim he's not responsible, again.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:58 AM

25. This country needs a General Strike.

We need to show the 2% that we are not grist for their money mill, and our lives have more value than they're willing to place bets on. They are already getting nervous because as long as so many Americans are out of work, they will not be buying as much and the 2% may need to sell a couple of their dozen mansions, perish the thought! We need to boycott and organize a general strike against every single company putting their workers at risk.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:39 PM

53. +1000

We need a company hit list.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:22 AM

28. News reports claim the feds will be supplying PPE.

I think they should be able to provide incentive payments as well (ala tax-free combat pay). Fed money is still something we have plenty of. It could work out for some.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:04 AM

58. also the lines need slowed down so not as many workers packed so tight

and testing before hand

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:42 AM

31. But but but they WANT to open the economy...

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:50 AM

32. If people refuse to go to work,

they will not get Unemployment. The first question is is work available?

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:59 AM

34. You know who ordered workers into factories 80 years ago?

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:48 PM

45. Are the initials AH? Just asking. n/t

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:51 PM

46. Yes of course

Also the other Mussolini, whom Trump has always reminded me of.

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:59 PM

38. Hazmat suits...Specialists to set it up..



10 grand a day...See if they come back for that...

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 02:35 PM

52. But how is he going to get his hamberders then?

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Wed Apr 29, 2020, 06:50 PM

55. Is

the hump going to send troops to their houses and haul them into work?

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Response to whopis01 (Original post)

Wed Apr 29, 2020, 08:24 PM

56. CEO of Tyson

Makes around $6-10M a year depending on how you count bonuses, shares and dividends.

Why doesnít he cut and pack the meat? The top 6 execs there are making around $40m. They could help. They are probably making as much, if not more, than all their staff combined.

Clearly from the structuring of salaries, these execs must be some sort of supermen. They should be able to cut and pack the same volume as their staff

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