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jimlup

(7,968 posts)
Sat May 9, 2020, 09:07 PM May 2020

Sioux tribe rejects South Dakota governor request to remove Covid-19 checkpoints

Source: CNN

(CNN)The Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe has rejected an ultimatum by South Dakota's governor to remove checkpoints on state highways within tribal reservations or risk legal action.

Gov. Kristi Noem sent letters Friday to the leaders of both the Oglala Sioux Tribe and the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe demanding that checkpoints designed to prevent the spread of coronavirus on tribal land be removed, the governor's office said in a statement.
"We are strongest when we work together; this includes our battle against Covid-19," Noem said. "I request that the tribes immediately cease interfering with or regulating traffic on US and State Highways and remove all travel checkpoints."
In response, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe Chairman Harold Frazier said in a news release Friday that while he agreed it's important to work together, "you continuing to interfere in our efforts to do what science and facts dictate seriously undermine our ability to protect everyone on the reservation."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/09/us/south-dakota-sioux-tribes/index.html



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Sioux tribe rejects South Dakota governor request to remove Covid-19 checkpoints (Original Post) jimlup May 2020 OP
I wonder if they can use any help. James48 May 2020 #1
you can donate here: diva77 May 2020 #9
Saves Repugs cost of blankets. outasync May 2020 #2
OUCH Me. May 2020 #6
Not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate? ancianita May 2020 #12
Columbus introduced small pox to the Americas by giving natives contaminated blankets tclambert May 2020 #14
I Have Always RobinA May 2020 #16
I tried to look it up before I posted. All I found was that it's in dispute. tclambert May 2020 #19
There are some books out there that explains to some degree about this issue.............. turbinetree May 2020 #45
Please Google 'Lord Jeffrey Amherst' - well documented A2er May 2020 #66
Wow, where did you hear a thing like that? Warpy May 2020 #33
I believe that was Col. Henry Bouquet during the French & Indian war Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #51
Smallpox blankets rumleyfips May 2020 #64
Smallpox infected blankets were purposely given to Native American people Stainless May 2020 #15
Both the British and the Americans did this. iemitsu May 2020 #30
Not really. Igel May 2020 #44
I taught US history for 30 years. iemitsu May 2020 #47
Before people even knew about germs? former9thward May 2020 #37
People understood contagion, just not the mechanisms behind it NickB79 May 2020 #42
Because they believed in the Miasma theory former9thward May 2020 #49
People could recognize that something caused the spread of illness iemitsu May 2020 #48
Because they believed in the Miasma theory former9thward May 2020 #50
Exactly. BlancheSplanchnik May 2020 #61
the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe Chairman Harold Frazier also said: "Ignorant statements and fiery iluvtennis May 2020 #3
Well said TryLogic May 2020 #54
Very important elleng May 2020 #4
She Cleary States an US vs Them econron May 2020 #5
ICE agents have placed road-blocks and check points all across the American Southwest. iemitsu May 2020 #31
Conservatives acting on their fascist ideology. Nitram May 2020 #7
Question: pazzyanne May 2020 #8
The aren't allowed to unilaterally close US and state highways. ripcord May 2020 #41
Is it just me. Every time I see.her, or read her, I am reminded of the Alaska grifter. niyad May 2020 #10
We have a similar problem here in Iowa 47of74 May 2020 #36
Right on, do what's right for the people, tell the fascists to take a flying leap. nt yaesu May 2020 #11
On a map, SD shows only two state highways in the North rez and one on the South rez. No major ancianita May 2020 #13
It's not an Interstate... reACTIONary May 2020 #23
I said that the roads weren't interstates. That's not the issue. The state roads can be considered ancianita May 2020 #24
And, I wouldn't want the inconvenience either... reACTIONary May 2020 #26
Mankind is my business. Remember that from Scrooge? I'd be honored to help the Indians protect ancianita May 2020 #28
I support the Sioux tribe all the way in this dispute. totodeinhere May 2020 #17
What the Sioux are doing makes total sense. TryLogic May 2020 #55
I'd Be Curious RobinA May 2020 #18
Here is the memorandum from the Bureau of Indian Affairs... reACTIONary May 2020 #20
As a Liberal, and a Civil Libertarin... reACTIONary May 2020 #21
One would think so I guess GusBob May 2020 #39
Unless the treaty allows them to control all the roads in and out of the reservation I predict them cstanleytech May 2020 #22
Maybe they'll lose, but they won't go down without a fight. More unlike the beach analogy than like ancianita May 2020 #25
Here is what the Bureau of Indian Affairs says ... reACTIONary May 2020 #27
If I am reading it correctly they can close the tribally owned roads but the question is can they do cstanleytech May 2020 #32
That is my understanding. As far as I can tell... reACTIONary May 2020 #35
Perhaps you misspoke GusBob May 2020 #38
Doing so on tribe owned roads are fine the state though if I am reading it correctly cstanleytech May 2020 #43
You are right, they are not closing roads... reACTIONary May 2020 #53
Gee, Repubs keep talking about freedom from government interference so folks can protect themselves. SunSeeker May 2020 #29
Yes it is JustAnotherGen May 2020 #34
they can always blow up the roads... not_the_one May 2020 #40
Reminds me of Rhode Island trying to block New Yorkers from entering Steelrolled May 2020 #46
Harold Frazier is my new hero🙂 nt Javaman May 2020 #52
.....Oh, Dear Governor..... titanicdave May 2020 #56
The Sioux are doing the right thing. burrowowl May 2020 #57
THIS: "save lives rather than save face" Beartracks May 2020 #58
She is disgusting marieo1 May 2020 #59
Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe won't remove virus checkpoints jimlup May 2020 #60
Good for them is right! bluestarone May 2020 #62
These tribes are doing their best to keep COVID 19 off the reservation yellowdogintexas May 2020 #63
Feds (ICE and BP), States and even Cities establish checkpoints frequently. MarcA May 2020 #65

James48

(4,426 posts)
1. I wonder if they can use any help.
Sat May 9, 2020, 09:15 PM
May 2020

I’d love to air drop them some supplies.

Anybody from that area know if they need anything ?

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
14. Columbus introduced small pox to the Americas by giving natives contaminated blankets
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:45 PM
May 2020

so they say. Some historians dispute this, of course. It is known that beginning in about 1520, a plague killed a very large number of natives throughout North and South America, possibly 90%. It currently stands at #2 in worst plagues ever. The Black Death of 1347 - 1351 still holds the record. Our current plague has risen to 15th place already.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/?share=email

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
16. I Have Always
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:49 PM
May 2020

found that story a bit hard to believe. No one understood about germs in those days. The disease would have come with the explorers, but not purposely give to them in blankets.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
19. I tried to look it up before I posted. All I found was that it's in dispute.
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:01 AM
May 2020

I have heard Columbus did it on purpose, but since they didn't have the germ theory of disease yet, how could he know the effect those blankets would have? Maybe those blankets just happened to be available since the former owners had died of smallpox. Some historians dispute the entire blanket story. Some say the story comes from anti-Spanish propaganda.

It seems pretty well established that smallpox didn't exist in the Americas before Columbus and that a plague of smallpox ravaged the continents beginning in about 1520. There weren't many European visitors to the Americas except Columbus prior to that time.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
45. There are some books out there that explains to some degree about this issue..............
Sun May 10, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

one of them is Myths of the Cherokee / by James Mooney ...............also one must also think of the West Coast when Cook and the other gangs were roaming around the pacific, then there is this work.............Smallpox epidemic ravages Native Americans on the northwest coast of North America in the 1770s / By Greg Lange and then there is what happened to the Indigenous in South America and what is now called Mexico...........https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/06/how-europeans-brought-sickness-new-world

A2er

(8 posts)
66. Please Google 'Lord Jeffrey Amherst' - well documented
Mon May 11, 2020, 11:40 AM
May 2020

Biological warfare involving smallpox[edit]
One of the most infamous and well documented issues during Pontiac's War was the use of biological warfare against the Native Americans. The suggestion was posed by Amherst himself in letters to Colonel Henry Bouquet.[24] Amherst, having learned that smallpox had broken out among the garrison at Fort Pitt, and after learning of the loss of his forts at Venango, Le Boeuf and Presqu'Isle, wrote to Colonel Bouquet:[25]

"Could it not be contrived to send the small pox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them."
Bouquet, who was already marching to relieve Fort Pitt, agreed with this suggestion in a postscript when he responded to Amherst just days later on 13 July 1763:[1]

"P.S. I will try to inocculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine."
In response, also in a postscript, Amherst replied:[1]

"P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present."
Historians Elizabeth Fenn and Benedict Kiernan have shown, "Fort Pitt had anticipated these orders. Reporting on parleys with Delaware chiefs on June 24, a trader [William Trent] wrote: '[We] gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.' The military hospital records confirm that two blankets and handkerchiefs were 'taken from people in the Hospital to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians.' The fort commander paid for these items, which he certified 'were had for the uses above mentioned.' Historian Elizabeth Fenn has documented 'the eruption of epidemic smallpox' among Delaware and Shawnee Indians nearby, about the time the blankets were distributed."[25][26]

showvte
Seven Years' War in North America: The French and Indian War, St. Lawrence and Mohawk theater
Amherst was summoned home, ostensibly so that he could be consulted on future military plans in North America, and was replaced pro tem as Commander-in-Chief, North America by Thomas Gage. Amherst expected to be praised for his conquest of Canada, however, once in London, he was instead asked to account for the recent Native American rebellion.[27] He was forced to defend his conduct, and faced complaints made by William Johnson and George Croghan, who lobbied the Board of Trade for his removal and permanent replacement by Gage. He was also severely criticised by military subordinates on both sides of the Atlantic.[28] Nevertheless, Amherst was promoted to lieutenant-general on 26 March 1765,[29] and became colonel of the 3rd Regiment of Foot in November 1768.[30]


On 26 March 1767 Jeffrey Amherst married Elizabeth, daughter of General George Cary (portrait by Sir Joshua Reynolds, 1767).

Jeffrey Amherst, 1st Baron Amherst, by Sir Joshua Reynolds.
On 22 October 1772, Amherst was appointed Lieutenant-General of the Ordnance,[31] and he soon gained the confidence of George III, who had initially hoped the position would go to a member of the Royal Family.[32] On 6 November 1772, he became a member of the Privy Council.[33]

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
33. Wow, where did you hear a thing like that?
Sun May 10, 2020, 03:40 AM
May 2020

While his crew might have introduced the disease, the Carib tribe had absolutely no use for blankets.

The tactic was discussed in the Siege of Fort Pitt in 1763 but it is unknown if they tried to carry it out. For one thing, smallpox is an incredibly fragile virus that has to be maintained at a constant temperature and preferably encased in scab material to survive at all away from human tissue. Transporting blankets at that time would not have provided ideal temperature and humidity to deliver any live virus. The idea was a dreadful one and it most likely would never have worked.

Smallpox was used as a bio weapon in mediaeval times, bodies of the recently dead lobbed over city and castle walls via trebuchet, and that did work as long as the bodies were fresh.

So that blanket story is historical fiction, along with blaming the American tribes for introducing syphilis to Europe. Archaeology has discovered congenital syphilis in children entombed in Aplontis near Pompeii and in a monastery burial ground in England, far predating New World exploration. It's an old disease in Europe, they were just looking for it in the wrong places. It was centered in port cities and most people didn't live long enough for the tertiary disease to show up on their bones. Examining the teeth of children is where to find it, along with monastery burials when the order specialized in hospice care.

rumleyfips

(27 posts)
64. Smallpox blankets
Sun May 10, 2020, 07:18 PM
May 2020

An eighteenth century letter from the military governor of Nova Scotia to British authorities speaks about distributing infected blankets.

Stainless

(718 posts)
15. Smallpox infected blankets were purposely given to Native American people
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:46 PM
May 2020

According to various historical accounts.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
44. Not really.
Sun May 10, 2020, 11:49 AM
May 2020

There's more myth and "wanna believe" thinking over this.

No cases have been shown to be proven. In one instance, it was mentioned in a diary. No evidence that the tribes concerned had a breakout as a result or anything was sent.

In another the proof quotes are selective. It's like quoting the previous paragraph as "In one instance, it was mentioned in a diary ... the tribes concerned had a breakout as a result...".

Compare the two presentations:
1. A diary mentions actually collecting blankets from a post in the US Midwest and sending them upriver to the tribesfolk there. There'd been hostilities between the tribe and the post. So this was done, blankets sent. And the tribesfolk suffered from an outbreak of smallpox.

2. The tribesfolk were already suffering from an outbreak of smallpox, the people at the post collected blankets, then sent them up river to the tribesfolk as a gesture of good will and help. It wasn't done mostly out of altruism, but in order to obtain good will and perhaps secure some measure of peace.

The same basic set of facts, but one includes a bit more information that sort of explodes the "I wanna believe the worst" narrative. There's a lot horrible in US history. No need to be inventive.

former9thward

(31,925 posts)
37. Before people even knew about germs?
Sun May 10, 2020, 09:24 AM
May 2020

How was that possible? Germ theory about diseases did not take hold until the end of the 1800s

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
42. People understood contagion, just not the mechanisms behind it
Sun May 10, 2020, 10:54 AM
May 2020

The Siege of Caffa by the Mongols involved plague victims being catapulted over castle walls.

former9thward

(31,925 posts)
49. Because they believed in the Miasma theory
Sun May 10, 2020, 01:34 PM
May 2020

Which germ theory replaced in the late 1800s. Miasma was the theory bad gases from rotting organic material -- such as plague victims -- spread diseases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
48. People could recognize that something caused the spread of illness
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:44 PM
May 2020

even without germ theory.
Why do you suppose they burnt the belongings of plague victims?

former9thward

(31,925 posts)
50. Because they believed in the Miasma theory
Sun May 10, 2020, 01:38 PM
May 2020

Link in my post above. As far as the smallpox blanket allegations historians disagree that it was ever used by Americans. They can find only one example in history where it was ever used by the British and there is no evidence it spread any disease. In the one example Natives already had the disease and had given it to the British. And the blanket was old and would not have spread it anyway.

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

iluvtennis

(19,826 posts)
3. the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe Chairman Harold Frazier also said: "Ignorant statements and fiery
Sat May 9, 2020, 09:18 PM
May 2020

rhetoric encourage individuals already under stress from this situation to carry out irrational actions," he said.

"We invite you to join us in protecting the lives of our people and those that live on this reservation. I regretfully decline your request."

The purpose of the tribe's actions, Frazier said, is to "save lives rather than save face."

econron

(152 posts)
5. She Cleary States an US vs Them
Sat May 9, 2020, 09:39 PM
May 2020

First, she's a moron and how is that testing working out with Sanford Medical? Yeah I thought so.

Her arrogance in the letter is so blatant and probably should refrain from using the word interference. That same mindset is what the Whitey Whitersons took from the Natives. Hey Kristi, go fuck yourself, it's Tribal Land.

Kristi, there is a reason you don't have an income tax and still NO ONE WANTS TO MOVE THERE!

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
31. ICE agents have placed road-blocks and check points all across the American Southwest.
Sun May 10, 2020, 02:24 AM
May 2020

They have less business harassing citizens than a Sovereign Nation when outsiders travel through.

Nitram

(22,755 posts)
7. Conservatives acting on their fascist ideology.
Sat May 9, 2020, 09:47 PM
May 2020

THIS "you continuing to interfere in our efforts to do what science and facts dictate seriously undermine our ability to protect everyone on the reservation."

pazzyanne

(6,543 posts)
8. Question:
Sat May 9, 2020, 10:12 PM
May 2020

"As U.S. citizens, American Indians and Alaska Natives are generally subject to federal, state, and local laws. On federal Indian reservations, however, only federal and tribal laws apply to members of the tribe, unless Congress provides otherwise."

Are Indian reservations subject to the Governor and state law? Are the Oglala Sioux and Cheyenne River Sioux on Federal reservations?

ripcord

(5,260 posts)
41. The aren't allowed to unilaterally close US and state highways.
Sun May 10, 2020, 10:45 AM
May 2020
Last month, when the checkpoints began, the US Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs issued a memorandum saying tribes must consult and come to an agreement with the state of South Dakota before closing or restricting travel on state or US Highways.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/09/us/south-dakota-sioux-tribes/index.html

niyad

(113,029 posts)
10. Is it just me. Every time I see.her, or read her, I am reminded of the Alaska grifter.
Sat May 9, 2020, 10:21 PM
May 2020

By the way, dearie, what, exactly, are you going to do if the Nations ignore your bullying, arrogant, insolent, contradictory demand? "Stronger together, but do exactly what I order"

One's head aches from the whiplash.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
36. We have a similar problem here in Iowa
Sun May 10, 2020, 09:14 AM
May 2020

We have a Governor who is there only to do the bidding of her benefactors and fuck the people of Iowa.

ancianita

(35,926 posts)
13. On a map, SD shows only two state highways in the North rez and one on the South rez. No major
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:41 PM
May 2020

interstate passes through either reservation.

Service, agriculture and tourism are the main economic sectors, and how these reservations interfere with any of that makes no sense.

Checkpoints are COVID-19 masks for the reservation, and this Republican governor is being arbitrarily authoritarian and confrontational about this.

I'll bet she'd love to show how tough she is and send in the National Guard.

reACTIONary

(5,766 posts)
23. It's not an Interstate...
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:16 AM
May 2020

... "Checkpoints are at both ends of U.S. Highway 212, which runs across the reservation".

They should not be stopping folks on a public road and demanding them to provide their medical history.


https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/update-tribes-respond-to-noems-demands-to-remove-highway-checkpoints/article_7ad8c4d3-994d-57c6-bf76-71a35a7e9689.html


ancianita

(35,926 posts)
24. I said that the roads weren't interstates. That's not the issue. The state roads can be considered
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:30 AM
May 2020

access/egress easements, true. But still, those roads do run through Indian reservation land. Notice that they're just two-land highways. Not even major state roads; thus, the 3-numbered names for them.

Indians have a legal interest in those who travel through their lands when a reservation-free interstate is also an available option.

Too bad truckers don't want the inconvenience. Corporate interests don't trump human pandemic survival interests, no matter what the governor says.

reACTIONary

(5,766 posts)
26. And, I wouldn't want the inconvenience either...
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:49 AM
May 2020

.... their stop and frisk check point on a state highway of through traffic is none of their business.

Furthermore, according to the news reports, they are prohibiting residents of the reservation from leaving without explanation of where they are going and why, and requiring them to provide medical information both coming and going.

If my local authorities behaved like this, I would be right royally pissed and would look to the state to set them right.

ancianita

(35,926 posts)
28. Mankind is my business. Remember that from Scrooge? I'd be honored to help the Indians protect
Sun May 10, 2020, 01:05 AM
May 2020

their people. Money compared to life is nothing. Money isn't lifeblood or key to handling this deadly virus.

Residents know the wisdom of the tribe. That "according to news reports" is hype.
And all that hype?
The reality on the ground that goes like,
"yo, you feeling okay?"
"Yeh I'm good, gotta pick up diapers and meds, dude."
"Sure. Stay safe, bruh."


There's no benefit to "privacy of medical information" in a highly mobile country where people can't carry around their own records or medical team like the .001% can. So most people want their medical info to be accessible by medical professionals.

We see the world differently.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
17. I support the Sioux tribe all the way in this dispute.
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:53 PM
May 2020

They are a sovereign nation and they have the right to protect their people. Nobody likes having to do this but it's about saving lives.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
18. I'd Be Curious
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:55 PM
May 2020

as to what the actual law is.

Aside from that, as a liberal I find checkpoints in general an anathema.

reACTIONary

(5,766 posts)
20. Here is the memorandum from the Bureau of Indian Affairs...
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:02 AM
May 2020

Here is the Bureau of Indian Affairs memorandum that explains the latitude allowed for closing state owned roads on tribal lands.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/rapidcityjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/39/f3916ae9-2096-57b4-a372-23350cd2245f/5eb61803b538e.pdf.pdf

Reading about this issue for a few hours, here is my take - the Federal Government / Bureau of Indian Affairs deals with the tribes, not the state government in which the reservation resides. However, the Bureau says "go talk to the governor" putting the state in control of the situation.

reACTIONary

(5,766 posts)
21. As a Liberal, and a Civil Libertarin...
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:04 AM
May 2020

... I have to agree. If my local government tried to do this, I would be right royally pissed off.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
39. One would think so I guess
Sun May 10, 2020, 10:00 AM
May 2020

Besides the checkpoints the nature of the questions could be intrusive
Where are you going? Where have you been? Plus the health quiz

As I said upthread, we have zero cases here so even as a Liberal I am OK with the checkpoints

I reckon some folks are knee-jerking here because that Governor is a real Trumpstick

As far as Tribal police in SD well read In The Spirit of Crazy Horse by Mattheisen

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
22. Unless the treaty allows them to control all the roads in and out of the reservation I predict them
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:04 AM
May 2020

losing just like that one guy did when he bought up all the land near a public beach and tried to bar anyone from crossing his land to access the beach.

ancianita

(35,926 posts)
25. Maybe they'll lose, but they won't go down without a fight. More unlike the beach analogy than like
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:33 AM
May 2020

it because that was purely property control. This is about pandemic life and death threat.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
32. If I am reading it correctly they can close the tribally owned roads but the question is can they do
Sun May 10, 2020, 02:55 AM
May 2020

so to the state owned ones and does the states ownership and desire to keep open the state roads supered the tribe in its desire to close said state roads?

reACTIONary

(5,766 posts)
35. That is my understanding. As far as I can tell...
Sun May 10, 2020, 09:10 AM
May 2020

... from reading on the subject, the tribes are "governed" by federal law (Bureau of Indian Affairs), and are independent of state law. So the state can't directly tell the tribe what it can and can't do. But the feds can, and they say go talk to the governor.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
38. Perhaps you misspoke
Sun May 10, 2020, 09:49 AM
May 2020

Or I misunderstand you. They are not “closing roads.”
They stop and check you with questions related to Covid

As far as I know on our Agency only one car was turned away- early in the pandemic a non native couple from town wanted to come on The Rez and “pray with the Tribe” thats not legit Tribal business and they were sent packing. The Tribal officer told me they were cool about it

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
43. Doing so on tribe owned roads are fine the state though if I am reading it correctly
Sun May 10, 2020, 11:01 AM
May 2020

is objecting to it being done on the state roads that go through the reservation.
That raises the question of if the tribe has the legal right to do so on state roads or can the state compel them to cease interfering with traffic on the state roads.

reACTIONary

(5,766 posts)
53. You are right, they are not closing roads...
Sun May 10, 2020, 03:57 PM
May 2020

... The memorandum uses the phrase "temporarily close or restrict access to tribal lands over roads...". I didn't quote the full phrase. They are not closing roads. Restricting access would be a better characterization.

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
29. Gee, Repubs keep talking about freedom from government interference so folks can protect themselves.
Sun May 10, 2020, 01:46 AM
May 2020

That is all the tribe wants.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
40. they can always blow up the roads...
Sun May 10, 2020, 10:32 AM
May 2020

I am not saying they should, but we have reneged on so many agreements with the ONLY TRUE "Americans", one can certainly understand their reticence to obediently bow to the power of the "white man".

The "white man" has done nothing but screw them over, and over, and over. This conflict is SOLELY about pushing the turd's narrative. It has NOTHING to do with the turd's concern for the safety of the native peoples of that area.

If anything, the GOP would (secretly) take delight in the dying of the REAL Americans.

List the people it is primarily killing. THOSE are the people the turd doesn't give a shit about. (Except for obese white people of the nazi persuasion who LOVES them some gun arsenals...)

edit in bold italics



 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
46. Reminds me of Rhode Island trying to block New Yorkers from entering
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:22 PM
May 2020

their state in the early days. The RI police would also look for cars with NY plates, and instruct them to quarantine themselves.

Probably a wise move, but it seemed clear it would not stand up in court.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
56. .....Oh, Dear Governor.....
Sun May 10, 2020, 04:31 PM
May 2020

......Kristi Noem.......would you please go some place and get laid, for crying out loud??!!.......after what Rachel Maddow has been reporting of your stupidity and now this from the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe......well, it is obvious, you really, really, REALLY....NEED...TO....GET....LAID !!!!

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
59. She is disgusting
Sun May 10, 2020, 04:54 PM
May 2020

Last edited Sun May 10, 2020, 08:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Gov. Kristi Noem is a fool. She just wants to show her power. She doesn't care if all of us die. I totally support Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe. Stick to your guns. I live in Northern Minnesota and am surrounded by 3 reservations. They are an entity unto themselves. She has no right to demand this.

yellowdogintexas

(22,216 posts)
63. These tribes are doing their best to keep COVID 19 off the reservation
Sun May 10, 2020, 07:11 PM
May 2020

by recording info about there reason for the travel in or out they are also collecting vital information for tracing their contacts and thus track the spread.

The tribes are sovreign nations and have the right to protect their borders and their residents.

MarcA

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65. Feds (ICE and BP), States and even Cities establish checkpoints frequently.
Sun May 10, 2020, 08:41 PM
May 2020

When an Amerindian Nation does it the authorities protest. Others may very well
become interested in this and make for interesting scenarios in the coming decades.

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