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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 10:05 PM Jan 2012

Two Dead After Cruise Ship 'Runs Aground'

Source: Sky News

Two people have died after a luxury cruise ship carrying 4,200 passengers and crew is said to have run aground off the coast of Italy.

A major rescue operation was launched last night after the Costa Concordia began sinking near the island of Giglio, off the Tuscan coast.

A harbour master said it looked like it ''ran aground'', but Costa Cruises, which owns the ship, said it was ''too early to say what caused the incident".

Coastguard officials said two people had died but gave no further details.

Read more: http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16148897

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Two Dead After Cruise Ship 'Runs Aground' (Original Post) Little Tich Jan 2012 OP
now it's six dead riverwalker Jan 2012 #1
from the pic - at least it is right next to a dock for unloading people nt msongs Jan 2012 #4
actually it's not that close waddirum Jan 2012 #22
This is why you have muster and life boat drills jpak Jan 2012 #2
It was our experience that nobody paid attention to those drills Missy Vixen Jan 2012 #3
They were sheduled for today /nt jakeXT Jan 2012 #11
they couldn't lower half the lifeboats because the ship is listing to one side CreekDog Jan 2012 #17
Passengers said they yelled at crew to lower the lifeboats KeepItReal Jan 2012 #21
They are saying that some jumped into the sea... icymist Jan 2012 #5
Looks like it's completely on its side now muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #6
OMG! It looks to be almost a total loss!!! Cooley Hurd Jan 2012 #7
Huge hole under the waterline, though on the top side now muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #10
BBC link here : Italy cruise ship Costa Concordia aground near Giglio dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #8
A sand bar? Series? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #15
If you check through the pictures and any videos now up dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #16
Panic. Loss of those in authority to control the situation. icymist Jan 2012 #24
The ship still has huge rocks in its hull obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #25
Latest webcam shot: Cooley Hurd Jan 2012 #9
That is such an incredible sight, such a huge ship and so close to shore! Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #12
CNN reporting up to 70 people missing brooklynite Jan 2012 #13
Sounds like "The Poseidon Adventure" tawadi Jan 2012 #23
And then the magician disappeared jakeXT Jan 2012 #14
Unusual for the hole to be on the port side but she listed to starboard.. EX500rider Jan 2012 #18
dang... EX500rider Jan 2012 #19
Ship aground off Italy; 3 bodies found, 69 missing maddezmom Jan 2012 #20
I hope that number is woefully wrong obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #26
captain has been arrested... IcyPeas Jan 2012 #27
Reef not marked on maps says capt. jakeXT Jan 2012 #28
Wasn't the ship four miles off course? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #29
Abandoning the ship was a pretty low act... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #33
Captain is lying through his teeth - Look on Google Maps or Google Earth csziggy Jan 2012 #30
they have all the tools to find out, like the black box jakeXT Jan 2012 #31
Firefighters reach two people alive on cruise ship - report Eugene Jan 2012 #32
Costa Concordia is a Carnival Cruise ship marions ghost Jan 2012 #34

waddirum

(976 posts)
22. actually it's not that close
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jan 2012

Survivors reported having to swim a 100+ meters to get to the lighthouse. The ship is really that large. It is kind of optical illusion.

jpak

(41,742 posts)
2. This is why you have muster and life boat drills
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:00 AM
Jan 2012

and know how to get to put on your PFD and/or survival suit

and know how to get to a safe deck.

and how to get into a lifeboat

Missy Vixen

(16,207 posts)
3. It was our experience that nobody paid attention to those drills
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:02 AM
Jan 2012

The other passengers were too busy whining they had to attend the short briefing in the first place...

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
17. they couldn't lower half the lifeboats because the ship is listing to one side
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jan 2012

so um.

also consider that you do the drill on a level boat and now it's tilted like a fun house.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
21. Passengers said they yelled at crew to lower the lifeboats
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jan 2012

but the crew hesitated and waited too long

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
8. BBC link here : Italy cruise ship Costa Concordia aground near Giglio
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:06 AM
Jan 2012

Three people are confirmed dead after a cruise ship carrying more than 4,000 people ran aground off Italy.

The Costa Concordia hit a sandbar on Friday evening near the island of Giglio and listed about 20 degrees, after which people tried to reach land in lifeboats or by swimming.

Rescue teams have been going from cabin to cabin, searching for survivors.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16558910

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,283 posts)
15. A sand bar? Series?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jan 2012

That hole in the picture in response #7 is not what I'd expect from a sand bar. It looks more like a big underwater boulder, or a reef.

Yikes.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
16. If you check through the pictures and any videos now up
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jan 2012

you'll see some rocks. I noticed them on our tv news earlier at lunchtime here - GMT.

Stupid thing it looks to be quite shallow water so why exactly so many jumped is beyond me. I'm guessing that those who drowned were in the lower deck cabins.

RIP.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
24. Panic. Loss of those in authority to control the situation.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:11 PM
Jan 2012

What really happened, I'm sure we all are about to find out in the next few days. Pray for these people!

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
25. The ship still has huge rocks in its hull
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jan 2012

You can see them in the photos. That wasn't a sandbar, that was a huge bunch of huge rocks that ripped open that gash. A sandbar wouldn't do that damage anyway. Any of us who have spent time on a boat or ship, even a kayak or small sailboat, knows what a sandbar does and does not do.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
14. And then the magician disappeared
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:12 AM
Jan 2012

"We had to scream at the controllers to release the boats from the side," said Mike van Dijk, a 54-year-old from Pretoria, South Africa. "We were standing in the corridors and they weren't allowing us to get onto the boats. It was a scramble, an absolute scramble."

Passengers Alan and Laurie Willits from Wingham, Ontario, celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary, said they were watching the magic show in the ship's main theater when they felt an inital lurch, as if from a severe steering maneuver, followed a few seconds later by a "shudder" that tipped trash cans over. The subsequent listing of the ship made the theater curtains seem like they were standing on their side.

"And then the magician disappeared," Laurie Willits said, saying the magician left the stage and panicked audience members fled for their cabins as well.

...

The cruise liner's captain, Paolillo said, then tried to steer his ship toward shallow waters, near Giglio's small port, to make evacuation by lifeboat easier. But after the ship started listing badly, lifeboat evacuation was no longer feasible, Paolillo said.
http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/story/2012-01-14/Panic-chaos-as-Italian-cruise-ship-runs-aground-3-dead/52549316/1

EX500rider

(10,532 posts)
18. Unusual for the hole to be on the port side but she listed to starboard..
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jan 2012

.....makes me think she may have a big tear on the other side, otherwise as she listed the rip on the port side would be out of the water at some point...though she may have been at enough of a angle to flood thru hatches and doorways/potholes by then.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
20. Ship aground off Italy; 3 bodies found, 69 missing
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jan 2012

Ship aground off Italy; 3 bodies found, 69 missing
By FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press – 41 minutes ago
PORTO SANTO STEFANO, Italy (AP) — Divers have been searching the submerged part of a luxury cruise liner that went aground off the Italian coast in case any of 70 people unaccounted for might be trapped inside, a coast guard official said Saturday, as passengers described a delayed and terrifying evacuation.

Three bodies were recovered from the sea after the Costa Concordia ran aground off the tiny island of Giglio near the coast of Tuscany late Friday, tearing a 160-foot (50-meter) gash in its hull and sending in a rush of water. The ANSA new agency identified them as two French passengers and a Peruvian crew member but did not cite a source.

Passengers described a scene reminiscent of "Titanic", saying they escaped the ship by crawling along upended hallways, desperately trying to reach safety as the lights went out and plates and glasses crashed.

more:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRZIWyfwdsvTEhuf_9HxHti8joaw?docId=0b26cb0e5bba4c7b9162bc08c8a93490

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
28. Reef not marked on maps says capt.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jan 2012

Cpt. Francesco Schettino of the luxury ship cruiser that ran aground near the coast of Tuscany late Friday said that the ship hit reefs that were not marked on the navigation map, local media reported.

...

"On our way we came across a rocky ridge which has not been marked (on the map). According to the navigation map it should have been deep enough for our liner to be able to pass there," Schettino said after the questioning to TV Tgcom24.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20120114/170757714.html

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
29. Wasn't the ship four miles off course?
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:27 PM
Jan 2012

CYAing.

I don't believe him for many reasons, primarily his abandoning ship.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
33. Abandoning the ship was a pretty low act...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 07:42 AM
Jan 2012

It's not like I expect any captain to go down with his ship, but to leave the ship before the passengers have been evacuated is unacceptable. It reminds me of that ship that sunk where the captain and crew noticed they were taking on water and decided to get off first without even telling the passengers there was a problem....

csziggy

(34,120 posts)
30. Captain is lying through his teeth - Look on Google Maps or Google Earth
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:48 PM
Jan 2012

For Giglio Porto, Isola del Giglio, Tuscany, Italy: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Giglio%2C+Tuscany%2C+Italy&ie=UTF-8

Now look at the little protrusion just north of the port with a separate rock offshore.

Then look at this video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16562715

I think that offshore rock is now embedded in the side of the ship.

It looks as though the ship was trying to get between that rock and the tip of the land!

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
31. they have all the tools to find out, like the black box
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jan 2012

Modern ships are required to carry voyage data recorders which store detailed information about the vessel’s speed, position, heading, radar and communications.

The Costa Concordia also carried two live web cameras that updated every few seconds and may have recorded the events as they unfolded. Another live webcam overlooking the port at Giglio is also thought to have captured the accident.

...

The first thing investigators will have to determine is whether the vessel should even have been where it was.

A source close to the investigation told a leading Italian newspaper that the boat was on the wrong course — possibly due to human error — and was sailing too close to Giglio.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9015493/Cruise-disaster-Perfect-storm-of-events-caused-Costa-Concordia-crash.html



There were reports last night that captain Schettino, had been dining with passengers when the accident happened – but the ship’s operating company, Costa Crociera, said he was on the bridge.

He then discovered that the ship was four miles off course, but was unsure why. One theory is that an electrical fault had wiped out the ship’s navigational power and steering control. Captain Schettino told investigators that charts showed he was in waters deep enough to navigate.

He was quoted as saying: ‘The area was safe, the water was deep enough. We struck a stretch of rock that was not marked on the charts. As far as I am concerned, we were in perfectly navigable waters.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086831/Costa-Concordia-accident-Pictures-cruise-ship-sinking-coast-Italy-Titanic-like-scene.html

Eugene

(61,595 posts)
32. Firefighters reach two people alive on cruise ship - report
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jan 2012

Source: Reuters

Firefighters reach two people alive on cruise ship - report

15 Jan 2012 00:14

Source: reuters // Reuters

ROME, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Firefighters have reached two people alive on the stricken Italian cruise ship Costa Concordia, the Italian news agency Ansa reported on Sunday.

The firefighters had made voice contact with the couple earlier and found them in a cabin. (Reporting By Philip Pullella#; Editing by Ralph Gowling)


http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/firefighters-reach-two-people-alive-on-cruise-ship-report/

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
34. Costa Concordia is a Carnival Cruise ship
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 08:45 AM
Jan 2012

"Carnival and Costa communicated only in press releases well into Saturday evening. "This is a terrible tragedy and we are deeply saddened," Carnival said in a statement. Costa's president Gianni Oporto's statement said in part: "We are not at this time able to answer questions because the authorities are trying, with our cooperation, to understand the reasons for the incident."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/14/4188180/cruise-line-industry-winces-in.html#storylink=cpy

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Interesting--this morning I turned on the Weather Channel--they did a whole segment focused on the drama of it all and never ONCE mentioned the name of the ship or the owner. I kept saying, "but what is the ship???" The omission was striking. No excuse--so many hours after the incident. Obviously deliberate.

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