N.Y. Will Impose Quarantine on Visitors From States With Big Outbreaks

[ancianita]

Source: New York Times

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday that New York and two neighboring states would begin requiring certain out-of-state visitors entering their states to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival.

The restrictions, which also cover New Jersey and Connecticut, will be based on specific health metrics related to the coronavirus, Mr. Cuomo said. At the moment, travelers from nine states would be required to quarantine, mostly from the south, including Florida, Texas and Arizona.

The order takes effect at midnight, Mr. Cuomo said on Wednesday, a quick implementation aimed at preventing a rush of travelers hoping to avoid the requirement...

Mr. Cuomo said that enforcement would be up to each of the three states. In New York, he said, those violating the quarantine order could be “subject to a judicial order and mandatory quarantine.” A first violation could result in a $2,000 fine and a second would bring a $5,000 fine, he said, up to $10,000 for someone who causes “harm.”




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[soothsayer]

1. Depends on getting caught, but as Cuomo said...

So does all crime

[roamer65]

3. Starting by pulling over plates from the list of states.

[Wellstone ruled]

2. You could see this coming.

Going to be a ton of hurt on the Long Haul Truck industry. Especially the Produce people. The Vegetable Fields in the Imperial Valley are mega Virus hot spots.

[marybourg]

6. Truck drivers are usually exempted

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

4. The first question that comes to mind is, how are they going to enforce this?

I suppose they could have roadblocks at all of the major roads entering the state, then just set up holding camps for the appropriate people. Sort of like the federal government has done for "illegals". Who could possibly object to that?

[roamer65]

5. Airports, highways and ports.

You offer the choice of turning around and going back or a hotel room quarantine for 14 days.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

8. Naah. Set up detention camps. So much better.

In all seriousness, Hawaii is requiring staying in a hotel for 14 days, and visitors are routinely violating it. The same would happen to out of town visitors.

Of course, you can't get to Hawaii that easily, so they can have more control. Inside the continental United States, there are many roads that cross state lines. Anyone who can read a map could probably find a way to get into another state undetected.

[roamer65]

9. Not when they aren't allowed out of the hotel.

[47of74]

20. detention camps?

So we're going full on Hitler here?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

30. I didn't think the sarcasm thingie was needed.

Perhaps more to the point, it's the same people who are just fine with detention camps at the borders who are screaming the loudest about their personal liberty being infringed if they must wear face masks.

[ancianita]

7. Why would travelers be exempt from pandemic safety laws of a state. The same thing

has applied to wearing headphones while driving, seatbelts, children's safety seats, etc.

This time it's a proven and way more serious endangerment to the public's well-being.

This in no way is relevant to how the govt treats "illegals." That's political.

This law is science and numbers based.

[RobinA]

32. And The Second Is

how are they going to keep track of it. Today it's these states, tomorrow there are three more on the list, next day Florida has things under control...

And I don't think roadblocks are doable. People pass through parts of New York to go to work every day. A LOT of people. Not including workers, NJ, NY and Conn. are major East Coast through states. I wonder if they thought this through.

[MichMan]

10. Since New York has significantly higher infections and deaths than all other states

Seems like the other 49 states should be the ones refusing entry to New York residents.

1 out of 6 total infections & 1 in 4 deaths in the entire country are from New York alone

[ancianita]

12. They have a much higher population, yes. But please proceed.

[yaesu]

13. they are going by the rise in cases not the number of cases, where the curve isn't stable or

going down

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/16/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

and tRump just stopped testing support in TX no that state will be on everyone's shit list.

[ancianita]

15. Also, this is regional...

Take the explanation from the governors themselves.

Start at 17:18 and skip to 37:33

[lagomorph777]

22. NY has dropped to very few cases and deaths because they didn't mess around.

And of course you are ignoring the relative populations too.

[MichMan]

37. Given the relative population of NY only makes it worse when compared to other states

New York had 25% of all deaths. They dont come anywhere near having 25% of the population. In fact New York state only comprises 6% of the entire population of the US.

They have 16% of all infections in the country, while again having just 6% of the population.

[Steelrolled]

41. Yes, NY has done a great job in controlling COVID-19

But statistically they are still #1, at 1,611 deaths per million people.

As a comparison, Texas is at 79 deaths per million people, although they are rising faster.

[FakeNoose]

36. Other states are quarantining New York travelers

This is tit-for-tat, I'm sure.

[Lady_Chat]

51. NY now has the lowest rate of infection in the country.

It took a lot to get where we are today, and frankly, we have been through enough. We don't need people coming from what is mostly republican states where they refuse to even wear masks and still think it's a "myth", to screw it up. And it's not only NY, It's New Jersey and Connecticut too. The North east was hit the hardest. That's no longer true. We have progressed into reopening phases and it's been done slowly and carefully, and it's going very well. It's ironic, when it was Florida, and a few other states, that didn't want NY residents coming in, no one cared. I understand their concern, they wanted to protect their residents, now I want to protect mine and those in the tri state area.

[yaesu]

11. The EU will be doing the same JULY 1st but will be for the entire country, they ain't pissing around

[Roc2020]

14. A different kind of civil war

where health decides winners and losers. 2020 just keeps getting better

[ancianita]

17. Only when the politicizers refuse to respect the science and numbers of the pandemic.

When people want a civil war, governors are the first line of defense of a "united" states.

In this case, united more under science and the constitutional rights to "life, liberty, etc." and not just border protection, since this is a regional effort that pays attention to that.

[RobinA]

33. I Was Kinda

thinking that myself. Couple months from now we're going to need a daily map of where who can go.

[roamer65]

49. All thanks to COVID-45.

[proud patriot]

16. Right wingers suing us for it here

here in Hawaii we've had a 14 day quarntine from the start ..

well now rich right wingers are suing Hawaii for it


https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/lawsuit-challenges-hawaiis-continuous-covid-restrictions/

[ancianita]

18. Not surprising that the real "war" is corporate interests v the people's constitutional rights to

"life, liberty, etc." of The People; as if corporate fictional personhoods are the more equal interests in governance those of The People.

[ancianita]

27. This comes from the governor, is that correct? I only see his name as the plaintiff. I don't get it.

He seems to be laying out rules for business and people doing business there, if I understand this correctly. I'm not sure I do.

[brooklynite]

23. I'm scheduled to visit Seattle in August.....

[ancianita]

24. And...

[brooklynite]

25. Washington State is on the quarantine list...

[ancianita]

26. So what are you thinking? Quarantine in order to stay, or cancelling or ... ?

[brooklynite]

28. Exactly...

[ancianita]

29. Hope it goes well for you.

IIRC, you said you'd have to be in the city months ago. Turns out, for all the initial epicenter problems, you've been in a great state for dealing with this contagion. Sounds like you're doing all right so far.

[ancianita]

34. Well, it's still in its early stages. So we'll see.

There are probably legal details that his state team has probably covered to avoid it, but you never know.

[RobinA]

35. I Think We're

operating under the Articles of Confederation lately. Started roughly when Trump said states have to shop for their own masks.

[Native]

43. Well, they are not denying entry, it's just conditional.

[forthemiddle]

38. I don't see California on the list

Yet they have the highest new cases in the Country?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/24/california-reports-more-than-7000-coronavirus-cases-biggest-daily-jump-so-far.html

Will they be next?

[ancianita]

39. I've no idea. Here's a projection for CA from IHME, the best predictor in the US.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california

It looks as if their enforced state requirements will drop their death and hospitalization numbers.

[Steelrolled]

40. Cuomo claimed this was unconstitutional when other states were applying it

to NY. Great leadership.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-28/rhode-island-governor-issues-stay-at-home-order-until-april-13

[ancianita]

42. First, that happened three months ago. Second, you don't get to blame Cuomo today for what

he said back then, when within two weeks he joined at least seven other states to create regional coordination of supplies, health care and reopening.

Did you see the video with the governors from Connecticut and New Jersey about how the region's going forward to keep their health care maintained?

[MichMan]

44. You don't think Cuomo should be held accountable for what he said just 3 months ago?

Does that standard apply to all other politicians?

[ancianita]

47. Is what he said a pattern with him? Is he upholding his oath as gov to keep the people of NY safe?

Does his standard of lowering the virus deaths to the point of full staged re-opening apply to all other politicians?

If you think you can undermine the best leader across the states for ridding COVID-19 under his watch -- over something he said three months ago -- you'd better tell it to someone else. I'm not buying your "perfect as the enemy of the good" level of criticism, or your snark about "Great leadership."

[Steelrolled]

45. Three months ago was the exact time when neighboring states

would have benefited from forcing incoming New Yorkers to quarantine (or stay away). And it would have benefited them if New York would have done the same (to prevent people going into New York and carrying the virus back). Cuomo couldn't handle it back then, but seems to be fine with it now.

[ancianita]

48. You really need to have paid attention to how those very people are in commuter states to the

largest financial center on the planet.

You need to have paid attention to how that state was blindsided by the stupidity of federal health officials and this president.

Wouldashouldacoulda hindsight is bullshit criticism over things no governor on either coast -- or anyone NOT in public health -- could claim to have known or had any previous experience dealing with.

You need to have paid attention to how much, for 111 days, 7 days a week, he conveyed facts to the entire nation and his neighbor states. But no. Now that he "seems fine with it now," you think it's fair to criticize the only governor who's literally been more proactive than any other governor in this nation.

How many of his daily briefings did you actually see? It was here and on tv every day. You can always review the context of those months, along with any facts and straight-from-the-horse's-mouth info you think is pertinent to this particular point in NY's reopening.

[Lady_Chat]

52. +100

[roamer65]

46. What state are you from?

1. If you aren’t from NY, then it’s none of your business. If you don’t like it, don’t go there.

2. If you are from NY, you are free to vote for someone else in the next gubernatorial NY election.

[Lady_Chat]

53. Thank you!

[MichMan]

56. Got it, no one should comment on anything unless it is their own state.

[Devil Child]

60. I like the "love it or leave it" mindset. Where have I heard that before???

A posting guide flow-chart or decision tree could greatly assist posters in knowing what they can post about.

[pstokely]

54. what about residents driving rental cars with out of state plates?

I rented a car from DFW with Florida plates, and even neighborhood locations have cars with out of state plates

[pstokely]

55. did the elderly snowbirds stay South instead of flying home?

could they be contributing the hospital admissions?

[ancianita]

57. I'm a snowbird, stayed south in FL's West Coast, live in a sparsely populated area & do just fine.

The unmasked stupids who socialize in bars, clubs and other places are mostly GenX and Millennial crowd. I've rarely seen any unmasked old folks in grocery stores.

Most of the community I'm in went back north, most to the Midwest, a few to the Northeast and a couple to Canada.

[pstokely]

58. do they release hospital admission statistics by age?

could the high obesity rate of these places be another factor?

[ancianita]

59. Florida, last I read, isn't releasing hospital stats. This gov wants the numbers low,

but hospital admissions and deaths will reveal the data. Not soon enough to help health officials under DeSantis's thumb, and not to help Floridians who know that no help is coming from any local or state officials.

Floridians know that they're on their own on the preventive end. The smart and disciplined are the masked. A huge number born and raised in Florida, who think they're special and courageous, from stupid Trumpians who think this is all left wing drama, to accelerationists -- they're the unmasked.

I think the reason the unmasked think they can beat the contagion comes from a combination of abused spouse and stockholm syndromes. Raised by a lower class distrusting mentality, with the bible used to cherry pick their moral code, having never traveled, watching tv with confirmation bias; fearing anyone who looks or thinks "different," even northern whites, well, the only way they'll learn reality is the hard way.

But, stats? A huge portion of Floridians could care less. Numbers don't inform those who don't want to know. On some level, the GOP, red state governors and Trump know that.

[onetexan]

61. I wish we have Gov Cuomo here in TX. He's doing the right thing.

[ancianita]

62. Gov Abbott can use Cuomo's state models for phasing and data gathering anytime he wants.

That's why there's a National Governors Association, so they can network.

What's happening in TX is about Abbott dealing with Texans. It's their free will. Their smarts and discipline are maybe something Cuomo could try to influence, but he'd only be better if he were relentless.

Same for Florida at this point.

[onetexan]

63. While i do agree re: the nutter Texans here it's really the governor's prerogative.

Same w/ De Santis. They're too bz kissing the Idiot's ass to do the right thing.

[ancianita]

64. Don't we know it. But those governors can't act like they weren't told, & didn't have expert help.

The People of those states will stand or fall by their own decisions.

People who "can take their licks" think they're adult, but they're only grownups. Big difference.
Adults think, read and learn from others' mistakes. Grownups can only learn from their own.