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Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:12 AM

Russia bounty intelligence 'may have been' in Trump brief but wasn't deemed 'actionable'

Source: NBC

Russia bounty intelligence 'may have been' in Trump brief but wasn't deemed 'actionable,' senior Republican says

WASHINGTON ó The Trump administration told Republican members of Congress on Monday that intelligence about potential Russian bounties may have been included at some point in the President's Daily Brief but not conveyed to President Donald Trump in a formal threat briefing because it wasn't yet "actionable," the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee said.

"I believe it may have been" in the written President's Daily Brief, or PDB, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said in an interview.

Referring to the president, McCaul said: "I think the way the process works is that he gets briefed about three times a week on sort of actionable, credible items. And the decision was made that this was not at that point in time a credible, actionable piece of intelligence. And if at any point it did, it would be raised to his attention."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-bounty-intelligence-may-have-been-trump-brief-wasn-t-n1232498



Still have not got their stories straight.

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Reply Russia bounty intelligence 'may have been' in Trump brief but wasn't deemed 'actionable' (Original post)
denem Jun 30 OP
Botany Jun 30 #1
brush Jun 30 #16
Botany Jun 30 #24
brush Jun 30 #32
Nortbnd101 Jul 1 #47
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 30 #28
ancianita Jun 30 #37
lagomorph777 Jun 30 #35
ancianita Jun 30 #39
Botany Jun 30 #41
ancianita Jun 30 #43
SergeStorms Jun 30 #38
ancianita Jun 30 #40
brush Jul 1 #48
C Moon Jun 30 #2
ArizonaLib Jun 30 #3
RockRaven Jun 30 #4
louzke9 Jun 30 #30
Arkansas Granny Jun 30 #5
sprinkleeninow Jun 30 #6
agingdem Jun 30 #19
Rhiannon12866 Jun 30 #7
ancianita Jun 30 #42
RDANGELO Jun 30 #8
unblock Jun 30 #9
denbot Jun 30 #10
Nasruddin Jun 30 #11
no_hypocrisy Jun 30 #12
lagomorph777 Jun 30 #36
cstanleytech Jun 30 #13
Midnightwalk Jun 30 #14
SergeStorms Jun 30 #44
Midnightwalk Jun 30 #46
keithbvadu2 Jun 30 #15
regnaD kciN Jun 30 #17
Maeve Jun 30 #23
SergeStorms Jun 30 #45
Grokenstein Jun 30 #18
Solly Mack Jun 30 #20
wishstar Jun 30 #21
Lithos Jun 30 #22
gab13by13 Jun 30 #25
soothsayer Jun 30 #26
beachbumbob Jun 30 #27
gab13by13 Jun 30 #31
beachbumbob Jun 30 #34
truthisfreedom Jun 30 #29
chriscan64 Jun 30 #33
ck4829 Saturday #49

Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:17 AM

1. "I believe it may have been" in the written President's Daily Brief ... it wasn't yet "actionable,"

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:11 AM

16. "...it wasn't yet "actionable." WTF? That's word-salad-o-speak...

that repugs spin out of their mouths but means absolutely nothing. It does fill up the airwaves and takes up time to say though while at the same time it takes time for the listener to go "huh?", and understand that it's bullshit because it sounds like actual words and it takes time from the interviewers time which doesn't allow he/she to reclaim his/her time or allow another panelist to get in some actual non-word-salad-o-speak to refute it because all of the air is being filled and used by word-salad-o-speak that sounds like words but don't mean anything. Understand?

Oops,sorry, that's all the time we have, folks.

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Response to brush (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:06 AM

24. He should be gone by noon today

Trump knew that Vlad/Russia was paying to kill Americans, he did nothing about it, and when caught
he and the White House said that he was never briefed "on it" even though he had been briefed "on it."


But I still think he should have gone for a number of other reasons including the fact that he and Kush-Turd
went to make money on the C-19 Pandemic with their H.C.Q. and their own C-19 test kits instead of getting
the nation and the world ready for and set up to fight the virus
.

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Response to Botany (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:03 AM

32. There should be no way he can stay in office, but then there are...

the spineless repugs who won't do their duty to the nation to get an actual Russian agent out of the White Houseóa Russian asset who has known since March of 2019 when Bolton personally told him. The info was of course in the PDB but he doesn't bother, or can't, read that.

He should be gone but the repugs are circling the wagons still to protect him. McEnany said when she took over the press sec. position that she would never lie to the press. But that's all she's done on this matter.

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Response to brush (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 04:34 AM

47. Oh Yes..

...yes yes yes amigo...Some people spend so much and their valuable attention
on the surgery of CNN and etc.-style reporting...Ain't really all that much there
to pick apart...And what's with the items showing interviewer, subject both
2 small squares on the left of the screen, and the other 4/5ths on a big globby
close-up of Frumpo trying to look concerned..?

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:47 AM

28. So Fat Donnie gets the "President's DAILY Brief" three times a week?

Why don't they just rename it the "Once in a While When He's Not Tweeting or Golfing or Talking With Putin Brief" )?

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:19 AM

37. It comes out six days a week, and he might meet about it, but has only increased those meetings

to 3 times a week from the previous three years of 1 to 2 times a week, and maybe not even that.

It's not about what others decide. He's always been able to decide to make the PDB meeting a daily priority or not but he could still read it in digital form every day if he choses.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:35 AM

35. Here they go sliding down the slope to..."Sure he ignored it - it was the right thing to do!"

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:25 AM

39. Whether to read or meet over the PDB is not a matter of group consensus. It's the president's #1

classified briefing daily. No one else but him decides what "the right thing to do" is.

So their excuse is a death star load of bullshit.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:26 AM

41. Rep. Sean Maloney: Every document the president has seen is stamped and dated - a record is kept.

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Response to Botany (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:29 AM

43. Exactly. Now, let's see if any of those PDB's have been tampered with.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:22 AM

38. If it's in the PDB...

it's actionable. Nothing goes into the President's Daily Briefing unless it's been completely vetted, therefore actionable. Republicans think no one but themselves have ever been in positions of power before.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:25 AM

40. Exactly.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 12:15 PM

48. Yes, and they think everyone will just buy their lies.

That new press sec. McEnany promised the press she'd never lie to them when she first took the job.

Well, that's all she's done since she took the job.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:18 AM

2. Trump thought it was in reference to paper towels.

"Still have not got their stories straight."
You'll know when they get their stories straight, when McConnell backs it.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:18 AM

3. Good thing Paul Revere wasn't named Donald Trump

WTF?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:20 AM

4. Oooooookay...... SO. WHY. DID. HE. LIE. THEN?

The White House didn't say initially that "it wasn't actionable," they said " he wasn't briefed on it. "

Big fucking difference, and the lie betrays their consciousness of guilt.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:19 AM

30. Its simple.....

Did the Russians offer bounties, yes or no? If they did, then that itself ALONE is ACTIONABLE. Do we actually have to have dead bodies as proof before we respond? HELL NO! Were we waiting for videos of money changing hands first or expecting to see Wanted Dead posters plastered on buildings in Afgan villages?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:25 AM

5. "I believe", "I think". Still looking for the spin to let Tru3off the hook.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:26 AM

6. Oh yah, wait. Wait. It may have been...

Dint raygun answer something empty like that always?

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:10 AM

19. It was VP Bush I...

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Iran-Contra.."out of the loop"..he was a former director of the CIA...Bush was the loop..

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:39 AM

7. And no one thought to get right on this - since 2019??!!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:28 AM

42. This kind of thing is no one's lookout. It's solely in the president's lap, no one else's.

No one else has the authority to act on a military matter but civilian command close to him, and not without consulting the prez, and if he's not available or won't take someone's concern from the Pentagon seriously, it's still all on him.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:44 AM

8. Doesn't make any sense to me.

It it wasn't actionable, why would the put in the PDB? In any event, this contradicts what has been reported that there were briefings, and even that John Bolten briefed him on it. So we have multiple people reporting to multiple news organizations over nothing. I doubt it.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:49 AM

9. Well that's the whole scandal! That they decided not to act on it!

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:52 AM

10. I guess because my brothers and sisters in arms didn't die of bones spurs.

Iím sure that would have gotten his attention.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:57 AM

11. Sounds familiar

Sounds a lot like George Bush & Condoleeza Rice.
https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/11/911.investigation/
'President Bush said Sunday that an intelligence memo he read shortly before September 11, 2001, contained no "actionable intelligence" that would have helped him to try to prevent the 9/11 attacks.'

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:00 AM

12. Either he knew or he didn't know.

Same result.

This shows that another 9-11 could get past Trump. * was briefed on OBL months before 9-11 happened.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:43 AM

36. COVID is another 40 9-11s. Trump is like a 9-11 on every street corner.

Why, he's the 7-11 of 9-11s.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:06 AM

13. Ya nice try to save their ass for deciding to do nothing but try that excuse to the service members

that were killed because you decided not to do anything.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:08 AM

14. Ignoring PDBs is a republican presidential tradition

Don't forget Bush

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US|]

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the title of the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking" of U.S. aircraft.[1]

The President's Daily Brief (PDB) is a brief of important classified information on national security collected by various U.S. intelligence agencies given to the president and a select group of senior officials. On August 6, 2001, the Central Intelligence Agency delivered a President's Daily Brief to President Bush, who was vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.[2][3]

President Bush's response of "All right. You've covered your ass." has been erroneously linked to this PDB. This response, however, came from a separate PDB linked to Bin Laden from several months earlier. During 2001, CIA analysts produced several reports warning of imminent attacks by Bin Laden and al Qa'ida. Senior officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney and staff from Donald Rumsfeld's office at the Department of Defense, questioned whether these reports might not be deception on the part of Al-Qaeda, purposely designed to needlessly expend resources in response. After reevaluating the legitimate risks of these recent reports, CIA analysts produced a report titled "UBL [Usama Bin Laden] Threats Are Real". It was after this report that the president gave that now-infamous response.[4]


[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US|]

Same excuse only the particulars are different.

But I don't believe the excuse. There were ulterior motives.

For Bush there were members of his cabinet who were aching for war with Iraq. PNAC (btw does anyone remember Bill Kriston before he was rehabilitated) advocated for regime change starting in 1998.

In 1998, Kristol and Kagan advocated regime change in Iraq throughout the Iraq disarmament process through articles that were published in the New York Times.[25][26] Following perceived Iraqi unwillingness to co-operate with UN weapons inspections, core members of the PNAC including Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Elliot Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Zoellick, and John Bolton were among the signatories of an open letter initiated by the PNAC to President Bill Clinton calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein.[19][27] Portraying Saddam Hussein as a threat to the United States, its Middle East allies, and oil resources in the region, and emphasizing the potential danger of any weapons of mass destruction under Iraq's control, the letter asserted that the United States could "no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections." Stating that American policy "cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council," the letter's signatories asserted that "the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf."[28] Believing that UN sanctions against Iraq would be an ineffective means of disarming Iraq, PNAC members also wrote a letter to Republican members of the U.S. Congress Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott,[29] urging Congress to act, and supported the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (H.R.4655)[30][31] which President Clinton signed into law in October 1998.


[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century|]

Yeah remember back when Bill Kristol wasn't "rehabilitated"? I do. I just don't remember him being rehabilitated.

In Trump's case he has been allied with Russia for years. From memory:

The debt. The stolen election. The private Oval Office interview with only Russian press. Lifting sanctions. Interfering in Ukraine. Withdrawing troops from Syria. Many private meeting with Putin. Refusing to impose new sanctions. Inviting them to G7. Telling the pentagon to withdraw 9500 troops from Germany.

I'll add in the July 4th meeting of republican senators in Moscow.

I can go back further in time as well.

There is a long republican tradition of supporting causes against America's interest.

Maybe 2020 is the year we begin smashing bad traditions.

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:35 AM

44. I don't think Bill Kristol has been rehabilitated.

He's worried Trump won't grease the right palms if there's another major shooting war. Only Kristol and his old PNAC buddies can truly be trusted with the safety of the United States, you know?

I have no faith in, nor do I trust, Bill Kristol for an instant. His efforts to dethrone Trump are only to bolster his own self-interests. Guaranteed.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:57 AM

46. I'm sure you noticed the other names as well

Like Bolton.

The same bad actors who influence policy keep coming up. They screw up, get washed through lobbying jobs or worse pundit jobs, and then show up again.

Trump is the gangrenous pustule on the cancerous tumor that is the Republican Party.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:08 AM

15. It was actionable enough that the Pentagon acted on it.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:40 AM

17. "He gets briefed about three times a week..."

Really? What part of "Presidential Daily Brief" don't you understand, Mikey?

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:58 AM

23. Glad to see I wasn't the only one questioning that!

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 11:42 AM

45. He doesn't read them anyway.

If there's anything within the PDB his aides believe "will upset him" they don't tell him about it, either. Therefore, anything to do with Putin that wasn't complimentary to Trump's ego, would never have been discussed. Trump would have a hissy-fit, and he'd never believe it anyway because he thinks he and Putin are simpatico in every respect.

It sure would be nice to have a grown-up in the Oval Office again, wouldn't it?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:40 AM

18. Can't wait to see Tuesday's version of events.

Will it involve the Underpants Gnomes?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:06 AM

20. Bullshit

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:23 AM

21. But Pres. shouldn't have rewarded Putin offering G7 status and visit to DC

New AP reports Bolton briefed Trump in 2019 (but was classified so Bolton can't confirm) about bounties and $500,000 in cash was found by our military in hands of Taliban determined to have been paid by Russians. There are enough credible indicators of the likelihood Russia was behind bounties to certainly not consider rewarding Russia.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:54 AM

22. Second Phase of Denial

No longer that he did not see it, but that he couldn't do anything about it.

But that too falls flat on its face as the action was for Trump to do something.

Next phase of deniability will be that the issue was already resolved by Trump through a back channel with Putin.

Next phase of deniability is that it's Obama's fault because he created the situation.



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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:21 AM

25. Raw Story is reporting

that John Bolton personally briefed Trump on March 2019. It was again put in the PDB Feb. 27th 2020.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:33 AM

26. Plus they had meetings on this and came up with a menu of options

Actionable options.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:47 AM

27. all about damage control and the lying GOP will say anything, now. Next excuse

will be their wasn;t any pictures to convey to trump in the PDB so he couldn;t comprehend. PDB isn;t filled with info that isn;t actionable

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:29 AM

31. Raw Story is reporting

from the AP that John Bolton personally briefed Trump on the bounty in March of 2019.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:20 AM

34. bolton needs to appear before a committee, so when do democrats form one?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:53 AM

29. Sitting on his thumbs and making personal deals is what the president is best at.

There was no money in taking action on this, so he did nothing.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:19 AM

33. The president's daily briefing should be read every day in its entirety by the president, period.

The real one, not the cartoons he has them make. The inability and/or unwillingness to do so is unacceptable. "He's unconventional" does not pass muster here. A computer programmer that puts WWE action figures on his desk is unconventional. One that doesn't learn the programming language or write any code is quickly dismissed. "Unfit for office" is not just something we say because he is in the other party.

Even though it's grounds for removal, that is the minor issue. It is a far more serious matter when the security apparatus of the nation is leery about sharing intel with the president out of fear he will blurt something out on twitter or worse get on the phone with Putin and bugger up the whole thing. Again, "threat to national security" is not just some slogan we toss around.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 01:19 AM

49. Kick

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