Trump aims to bar undocumented immigrants from counting toward House representation

[Jose Garcia]

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Tuesday issued an executive order that blocks undocumented immigrants from being counted in the 2020 census for the purpose of allocating congressional representation.

The order, which immediately prompted legal challenges, amounts to something of a workaround for Trump after the Supreme Court last year blocked the administration from adding a citizenship question to the decennial survey.

The rationale for the memo rests on the argument that the president has final say over transmitting the final census report to Congress and that the constitution does not explicitly define which persons must be included in determining apportionment.

"The discretion delegated to the executive branch to determine who qualifies as an 'inhabitant' includes authority to exclude from the apportionment base aliens who are not in a lawful immigration status," the order states. "Excluding these illegal aliens from the apportionment base is more consonant with the principles of representative democracy underpinning our system of Government.

Read more: https://thehill.com/latino/508314-trump-aims-to-bar-undocumented-immigrants-from-counting-toward-house-representation

[Botany]

1. Is Trump really this dumb?

This is a dumpster fire of dumb.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. For what it's worth, it's called a memorandum and not an executive order.

Please don't ask me what the difference is.

Memorandum on Excluding Illegal Aliens From the Apportionment Base Following the 2020 Census

[GentryDixon]

7. It gives his little 🍄 a lift thinking of the power his office holds. nt

[PatrickforO]

3. More racism and xenophobic hatred.

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Excluding those beholden to a foreign power

might include, well, you know

[Thomas Hurt]

5. So by imperial edict the Pig is what? demanding that the census takers get proof of citizenship?

This is fn stupid, more posturing and red meat for the fascist a hole cultists.

Trump just keeps pounding away with the bigot fest hoping there are enough to get him re-elected.

[Botany]

6. Psst! Don't tell Donny but the census is already done.

n/t

[lamp_shade]

8. That question is not on the census form....

https://2020census.gov/en/about-questions.html#:~:text=Additionally%2C%20there%20is%20no%20citizenship,visit%20Avoiding%20Fraud%20and%20Scams.

[Odoreida]

9. How about a compromise?

Multiply the number of them by 0.6

[DallasNE]

12. Point Taken n/t

[MosheFeingold]

19. Ironically, that's probably the correct answer

The "free Persons" referred to is earlier defined as "we the people" forming the Constitution -- i.e. citizens.

Everyone else is 3/5:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

Creepy, but probably accurate.

[DallasNE]

10. Without The Citizenship Question

How can they determine citizenship for this purpose. Plus, it would have almost no effect on allocation of congressional seats, assuming that each state has a similar percentage of non-citizens. There is a fixed 435 members of the House. It sounds like a big waste of money on what would certainly be a nominal impact. California, Texas and Florida may each lose one seat and where those 3 seats might go is anybody's guess. But it depends more on how close some state is to gaining or losing a seat without this change than anything else.

[CaptYossarian]

17. You are right on all counts, but

this might not help traditional red states, like TX and FL.

Trump is zeroing in on CA because he's obsessing over Newsome, Pelosi, Schiff, etc.

Trump wants to shift more Congressional seats to the states he carried in '16. Many of these will flip in just over 3 months.

He's delusional.

[iluvtennis]

11. It's my understanding that census has always just included counting the folks living in the area.

There is no distinction on citizen vs non citizen.

As long as they reside in the area, they are included in the count. It's needed to know if need to increase #schools, #grocery stores, etc.

trump is a fkn cretin

[budkin]

13. Not possible

Not happening

[bucolic_frolic]

14. If we don't count them, they'll go away - same logic as

if we stop testing, we won't have to many cases.

[47of74]

15. How 3/5 of a person of Fuck Face

God what a racist fuckmuppet.

[George II]

16. Rewriting the Constitution on the fly?

[CaptYossarian]

18. Just until King Donald the Least writes his own.