Russia unveils coronavirus vaccine, claiming victory in global race before final testing is complete
Source: Washington Post
MOSCOW Russian government officials have pledged to vaccinate millions of people, including teachers and front line health-care workers, with an experimental coronavirus vaccine beginning this month, raising global alarm that the country is jumping dangerously ahead of critical, large scale testing that is essential to determine if it is safe and effective.
Russian President Vladimir Putin announced Tuesday that the country has become the first to register a coronavirus vaccine, developed by the Gamaleya Institute in Moscow, with production and tens of thousands of inoculations to follow.Russian officials have said that a second vaccine from the state research center in Siberia, Vector, is not far behind.
The aggressive strategy from a country eager to declare a victory amid one of the worst outbreaks in the world has been criticized by outside scientists who worry that shots could be harmful or give people a false sense of security about their immunity. China has already authorized one vaccine for use in its military, ahead of definitive data that it is safe and effective.
At a congressional hearing this month, Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases testified that it would be problematic if countries made a vaccine available before extensive testing. I do hope that the Chinese and the Russians are actually testing the vaccine before they are administering the vaccine to anyone, because claims of having a vaccine ready to distribute before you do testing, I think, is problematic at best, Fauci said.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-unveils-coronavirus-vaccine-claiming-victory-in-global-race-before-final-testing-is-complete/2020/08/11/792f8a54-d813-11ea-a788-2ce86ce81129_story.html
Get ready for the great "hawking" from the WH.
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)Should have waited for October surprise and watch Trump parlay his "friendship with Putin to save America from
the corona pandemic.
BumRushDaShow
(128,442 posts)(that they probably helped to fund through all kinds of dark sources), which starts about 2 weeks from now.
eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)Whether it works or not, knowing the outcome would be a good thing, and nothing lost for the effort (except maybe a few Uglicans).
BumRushDaShow
(128,442 posts)Botany
(70,447 posts)aka it is not a proven vaccine.
Grokenstein
(5,721 posts)When anti-vaxxer nonsense became the conspiro-nutter attention-getter du jour, this is precisely what I was afraid might happen: as we normies declared our trust and faith in the long-standing program maintained by a rational government, our enemies both foreign and domestic would take the opportunity of having the miserable Orange Bastard in office to toss some insane, lethal mess out there and tell us to trust that.
If that loon starts pushing this crap, you'll know for certain that it's deadly.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Ill wait for awhile.
JI7
(89,239 posts)which of course is all bs. But Trump will use our money to pay back some of what he owes Russia.
klook
(12,151 posts)LisaL
(44,972 posts)He can't just buy it and order it being used.
Lock him up.
(6,918 posts)Where is the Brave in the Home to stop him?
RICO THE TRUMP$ GANG$TER REGIME AND THEIr ACCOMPLICE$
Hekate
(90,556 posts)...long phone calls in which he and Trump say, You hang up first.... No, you hang up first?
Is our pResident the snake-oil salesman about to kick it into high gear so he can sell our version RTFN?
Merrily we troll along.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Russian vaccine works, he has tried it, but the Jyna vaccine is a "hoax". Stupid tRump followers will line up to get a Putin shot. The rest of us will wait for a REAL vaccine that has been tested.
ansible
(1,718 posts)Are they bullshitting us the same way China keeps claiming they still have only less than 100k infected? Or are they more advanced than western biotech companies in some way?
LisaL
(44,972 posts)Sounds like Russia just skipped the rigorous testing.
Our local hospital is participating in one of the trials and we were offered the chance to potentially be part of 30,000 people who will be given a new vaccine. I don't remember whether 30k includes the control group of whether there's another 30k involved.
It's likely to be somewhat effective and likely to be pretty safe... but we won't know that for sure until 30k people go through a few months of testing (while millions of doses are manufactured in anticipation).
Russia is just skipping that step... which is potentially a large gamble.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Bengus81
(6,928 posts)Gore1FL
(21,098 posts)ouija
(397 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)that said, it hasn't been through phase 2 or 3 yet.
I will not be a test subject.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Resistant to all vaccines.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)... horror movies we have? I Am Legend comes to mind...
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)cstanleytech
(26,233 posts)About the only one I do regularly get is the flu one.
Mercurian
(48 posts)take it then. I'll wait.
intrepidity
(7,275 posts)Wonder which "one" -- his favorite? Or least favorite?
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Silly
raccoon
(31,105 posts)I wouldnt take it.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)usaf-vet
(6,161 posts)As well we had some training about pandemics. Mostly expect that they will come someday and what NOT to do if they do come.
My whole point is in biological warfare what would the weapon be and how would it be delivered. We have all seen movies where a biological disease is killing people and the "heroes" in the movie are trying to find a cure while at the same time the "bad guys" usually the military is trying to weaponize the biological for warfare. To say no one knew about Pandemics is ridiculous. The movie industry has been describing pandemics for year
See The Andromeda Strain 1971:
See Outbreak 1995:
See Contagion 2011:
To say no one knew about Pandemics is ridiculous. The movie industry has been describing pandemics for years. Most based on books written by scientists like Michael Crichton.
In medics training, some of the discussions were if you had a biological weapon how would you disperse it. By injection?
How about this your historical enemy (let's say like USSR) announces it has a "vaccine" that will stop the deaths and the worldwide spread of the disease. Would you take the injection? How about if your president told you it was safe? The same president who suggested drinking or injecting Clorox to instantaneously kill Covid-19.
You will forgive me but this ex-medic will wait until we have a vaccine from an American source and one that has undergone intensive testing to determine it's safety and effectiveness.
Just saying!
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)The Soviet Era's Deadliest Scientist Is Regaining Popularity in Russia
Trofim Lysenkos spurious research prolonged famines that killed millions. So why is a fringe movement praising his legacy?
Sam Kean
December 19, 2017
Although its impossible to say for sure, Trofim Lysenko probably killed more human beings than any individual scientist in history. Other dubious scientific achievements have cut thousands upon thousands of lives short: dynamite, poison gas, atomic bombs. But Lysenko, a Soviet biologist, condemned perhaps millions of people to starvation through bogus agricultural researchand did so without hesitation. Only guns and gunpowder, the collective product of many researchers over several centuries, can match such carnage.
Having grown up desperately poor at the turn of the 20th century, Lysenko believed wholeheartedly in the promise of the communist revolution. So when the doctrines of science and the doctrines of communism clashed, he always chose the latterconfident that biology would conform to ideology in the end. It never did. But in a twisted way, that commitment to ideology has helped salvage Lysenkos reputation today. Because of his hostility toward the West, and his mistrust of Western science, hes currently enjoying a revival in his homeland, where anti-American sentiment runs strong.
Lysenko vaulted to the top of the Soviet scientific heap with unusual speed. Born into a family of peasant farmers in 1898, he was illiterate until age 13, according to a recent article on his revival in Current Biology. He nevertheless took advantage of the Russian Revolution and won admission to several agricultural schools, where he began experimenting with new methods of growing peas during the long, hard Soviet winter, among other projects. Although he ran poorly designed experiments and probably faked some of his results, the research won him praise from a state-run newspaper in 1927. His hardscrabble backgroundpeople called him the barefoot scientistalso made him popular within the Communist party, which glorified peasants.
Officials eventually put Lysenko in charge of Soviet agriculture in the 1930s. The only problem was, he had batty scientific ideas. In particular, he loathed genetics. Although a young field, genetics advanced rapidly in the 1910s and 1920s; the first Nobel Prize for work in genetics was awarded in 1933. And especially in that era, genetics emphasized fixed traits: Plants and animals have stable characteristics, encoded as genes, which they pass down to their children. Although nominally a biologist, Lysenko considered such ideas reactionary and evil, since he saw them as reinforcing the status quo and denying all capacity for change. (He in fact denied that genes existed.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
Trofim Lysenko
Trofim Denisovich Lysenko (Russian: Трофи́м Дени́сович Лысе́нко, Ukrainian: Трохи́м Дени́сович Лисе́нко, Trokhym Denysovych Lysenko; 29 September [O.S. 17 September] 1898 20 November 1976) was a Soviet agronomist and biologist. Lysenko was a strong proponent of soft inheritance and rejected Mendelian genetics in favor of pseudoscientific ideas termed Lysenkoism.[1][2]
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR's Academy of Sciences, and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.
Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned. Several were sentenced to death as enemies of the state, including the botanist Nikolai Vavilov. Scientific dissent from Lysenko's theories of environmentally acquired inheritance was formally outlawed in the Soviet Union in 1948. As a result of Lysenkoism and forced collectivization, 15-30 million Soviet and Chinese citizens starved to death in the Holodomor and the Great Chinese Famine.
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Lysenko forced farmers to plant seeds very close together since, according to his "law of the life of species", plants from the same "class" never compete with one another.[14] Lysenko played an active role in the famines that killed millions of Soviet people and his practices prolonged and exacerbated the food shortages.[14] The People's Republic of China under Mao Tse-Tung adopted his methods starting in 1958, with calamitous results, culminating in the Great Chinese Famine of 1959 to 1962, in which some 15 million people died.[14] At least 30 million died of starvation.[14]
Outside the Soviet Union, scientists spoke critically: British biologist S. C. Harland lamented that Lysenko was "completely ignorant of the elementary principles of genetics and plant physiology" (Bertram Wolfe, 2017). Criticism from foreigners did not sit well with Lysenko, who loathed Western "bourgeois" scientists and denounced them as tools of imperialist oppressors. He especially detested the American-born practice of studying fruit flies, the workhorse of modern genetics. He called such geneticists "fly lovers and people haters".
Unable to silence Western critics, Lysenko tried to eliminate all dissent within the Soviet Union. Scientists who refused to renounce genetics found themselves at the mercy of the secret police. The lucky ones simply got dismissed from their posts and were left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were rounded up and dumped into prisons or psychiatric hospitals. Several were sentenced to death as enemies of the state or starved in their jail cells (most notably the botanist Nikolai Vavilov).[14] Before the 1930s, the Soviet Union had a strong genetics community. Lysenko gutted it, and by some accounts set Russian biology and agronomy back a half-century.[14]
JudyM
(29,192 posts)Javaman
(62,500 posts)you know...to prove that it's "safe". LOL
marble falls
(57,010 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)We have a couple of vaccine candidates going into Stage 3 testing. Trump might pick one of them that will kick back to him and roll it out nationwide like Putin just did with an untested vaccine.
That would be just like Trump.
Crowman2009
(2,490 posts)Take their rockets for instance. They don't even have a damn range safety officer to explode the bastard:
James48
(4,427 posts)Trump declares the vaccine works, and funnels billions to his buddy Putin.
Then Trump orders the US military to give the vaccine to soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines.
Six months later, it turns out the vaccine is not only useless against disease, but it is harmful, and the entire US military has been wiped out.
Thats exactly what I think Trump is doing.
Lock him up.
(6,918 posts)Should Be In A Original Post.
RICO THE TRUMP MOB$TER$' GANG$TER REGIME AND THEIr ACCOMPLICE$
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)I think the Russian vaccine will be shown to work
Not sure how effective it will be though
Bayard
(22,005 posts)But I am more than happy to let trump be.
I predict there will be a bunch of Russians growing third eyes in the middle of their foreheads. That the rest of the world will not see....