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Zorro

(15,737 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:34 PM Aug 2020

Biden Camp: Trump Sabotaging USPS Is Desperate Man's 'Assault On Democracy'

Source: Talking Points Memo

President Donald Trump suggested on Thursday that he was intentionally blocking additional funding for the US Postal Service in an effort to disrupt attempts to expand mail-in voting amid the coronavirus pandemic — an effort that the Biden campaign has called a desperate man’s “assault on democracy.”

Biden campaign rapid response director Andrew Bates told TPM in a statement that Trump’s effort to deny a Democratic proposal for additional funding for the USPS amounted to a selfish move to deprive Americans of their fundamental right to vote safely.

“Even Donald Trump’s own campaign has endorsed voting by mail, and his own administration has conclusively refuted his wild-eyed conspiracy theories about the most secure form of voting,” Bates said in the statement. “This is an assault on our democracy and economy by a desperate man who’s terrified that the American people will force him to confront what he’s done everything in his power to escape for months — responsibility for his own actions.”

Trump suggested as much during a White House press conference Wednesday, implying that perhaps without the additional funding, his woes about vote-by-mail, which he is convinced will hurt him in November, will just disappear.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-usps-sabotage-desperate-man-assault-democracy

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Biden Camp: Trump Sabotaging USPS Is Desperate Man's 'Assault On Democracy' (Original Post) Zorro Aug 2020 OP
It's a desperate Traitor's assault on Democracy. Cha Aug 2020 #1
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #2
He will do worse than that if he feels he needs to! tableturner Aug 2020 #3
Give him an out every time. theaocp Aug 2020 #4
I'm wondering what can be done to stop him from blocking those funds. totodeinhere Aug 2020 #5
Absolutely, and is he succeeding? jalan48 Aug 2020 #6
So far did anybody stop him? LisaL Aug 2020 #7
Not so far. Hopefully all the voted will get counted. jalan48 Aug 2020 #9
Kick Hekate Aug 2020 #8
If I were future President Biden, I would unequivocally demand at any debate that President Trump artemisia1 Aug 2020 #10
He hasn't been held accountable for 3+ years. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2020 #11
I guess you missed that whole "impeachment" thing last year? ehrnst Aug 2020 #14
How in the World could anyone have Missed the Democratic House IMPEACHING Cha Aug 2020 #15
I know, right? Some people think 'recess' means what it did when they were in kindergarten. ehrnst Aug 2020 #16
I know UNREAL! Like we don't have Enough to deal with Cha Aug 2020 #17
It appears some people are resentful enough to enjoy a circular firing squad despite the damage ehrnst Aug 2020 #18
+++ still_one Aug 2020 #24
easy, they were spending most of their time in the international space station still_one Aug 2020 #25
The best way, at this point in 2020, is to vote against him and get him out of office. George II Aug 2020 #19
Some people will be sorry that they continually trashed her as "vacationing" ehrnst Aug 2020 #23
lol. +++ still_one Aug 2020 #26
THIS is why they're not in session a this time (foul language not mine): George II Aug 2020 #20
Wow! So Nancy can't come back without Cha Aug 2020 #29
She might be able to call them back toward the end of August, but not right away unless they meet... George II Aug 2020 #30
Mahalo, George.. Cha Aug 2020 #31
Exactly what more do you think that Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats could have done? Gothmog Aug 2020 #21
Yes trump has been Impeached by the Democratic House & if it weren't for the Cha Aug 2020 #22
Oh, and there's this: ehrnst Aug 2020 #27
How Could You Have Possibly Missed This? sheshe2 Aug 2020 #28
This issue needs to be turned into ads by the campaign and the DNC right away. TeamPooka Aug 2020 #12
Joy is discussing this exact thing on the Reidout onetexan Aug 2020 #13

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
5. I'm wondering what can be done to stop him from blocking those funds.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:56 PM
Aug 2020

A lawsuit perhaps. Of if he vetoes a bill with more funding could Congress override that veto? I doubt it. Probably enough Republicans would stick with him.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
7. So far did anybody stop him?
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:44 PM
Aug 2020

He flat out admitted he didn't want post office to have enough funds for universal voting by mail.

artemisia1

(756 posts)
10. If I were future President Biden, I would unequivocally demand at any debate that President Trump
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:39 PM
Aug 2020

ensure that "all votes will be counted" and that he, Pres. Trump, will use his authority and constitutional requirement to ensure that the USPS has the means of ensuring this. Let's see Pres. Trump wriggle out of that one.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
11. He hasn't been held accountable for 3+ years.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:43 PM
Aug 2020

Meanwhile, Congress is back at home enjoying a month-long recess. This is going to take more than a strongly worded letter.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. I guess you missed that whole "impeachment" thing last year?
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 06:10 PM
Aug 2020

And I learned in basic civics that if a party has control of the House and Senate that they choose what to hold the POTUS accountable for.

You know, like Republicans were for the first two of those 3+years you're complaining that he wasn't held accountable by those drop everything and take a vacation, 'strongly worded letter writing' Democrats in leadership.

You really do have an awful lot of blame to pin on Madame Speaker, don't you? From your numerous posts ranting about this last recess before the election where keeping the House is vital, being a "vacation," everything wrong with this country right now seems to be due to her and all the other Democratic leader not doing some, unspecified thing that you are convinced exists that will resolve everything by her being in DC right now, but she's just refusing to do it.

Any particular reason, other than stress?

The "do nothing Democrats" trope is usually a GOP talking point but does rear it's head here on DU when people are frustrated about Trump.

The "strongly worded letter" rant usually indicates one doesn't really have a clear idea what solution they are convinced is being ignored by Democratic Leaders because of incompetence or not being visibly ANGRY and KICKING ASS enough to satisfy some. They are sure that they are unhappy, and think it's clearly the fault of Democratic Leaders who they believe are not interested in preserving Democracy or just don't care enough about Trump and keep "letting him get away" with things, when obviously they have the means to stop him.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
15. How in the World could anyone have Missed the Democratic House IMPEACHING
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 06:57 PM
Aug 2020

trump?!

Thank you for enlightening.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
16. I know, right? Some people think 'recess' means what it did when they were in kindergarten.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:09 PM
Aug 2020
https://www.thoughtco.com/definition-of-congress-is-in-recess-3368072

Representatives and Senators use recess periods in many ways. Often, they are hard at work during a recess, studying legislation, attending meetings and hearings, meeting with interest groups, raising campaign funds, and visiting their district. They are not required to stay in Washington, DC, during a recess and may take the opportunity to return to their districts.


As I recall, many Dems, including Pelosi worked on the impeachment during the recess in 2019

But then again, I'm not bending over backwards to ignore what doesn't fit a narrative that veteran, accomplished, effective Democratic leaders are uninterested or unable to do anything but "writing strongly worded letters." From what I hear from many of these people is that getting into angry, strongly worded arguments with fact checkers is what real movers and shakers do. Rage seems to be the thing that distinguishes the "real" leaders from those who AREN'T DOING ANYTHING.

And she certainly was doing a lot more than watching movies and getting facials when she was in San Francisco this spring, which is all some people seem to think she's capable of accomplishing outside of DC:

Live From Her Kitchen, Pelosi Works to Counter Trump’s Coronavirus Show

Still Ms. Pelosi, who is now deprived of the official trappings of the Capitol with Congress in an extended virus-instigated recess, is trying to counter the president’s White House sessions with her own media blitz from her kitchen in San Francisco.

Over the past three weeks, the speaker has sat for 25 television interviews, up from her typical one or two a month. On Monday, she told the “Late Late Show” host James Corden that Mr. Trump was “in denial” and called his push to swiftly reopen the country “really scary.” On Tuesday, she issued a blistering letter calling Mr. Trump an incompetent liar who had caused “unnecessary deaths and economic disaster,” and went on MSNBC to talk about it. On Wednesday, she appeared on CNN, calling Mr. Trump’s move to put his name on government stimulus checks “shameful.”

Live From Her Kitchen, Pelosi Works to Counter Trump’s Coronavirus Show

But unless "her ass" is in DC, she's "on vacations' and "refusing to fight fascism," according to some who want to blame her for not making Trump stop, like she's some fairy godmother or has some magic beans or something and not the Speaker of the House that's subject to the constitutional balance of power.

Looks like some people need a scapegoat for their overwhelming emotional anxiety in response to how what is going on in the WH is affecting them PERSONALLY, something many white straight men are very privileged to be unfamiliar with, until now.

They are very used to things working to their benefit, and in a familiar way to them. Now things are disturbingly not resolving in a satisfactory way, they are convinced that those who are supposed to be working in their interests are INCOMPETENT or JUST DON'T CARE that THIS IS AFFECTING ME PERSONALLY NOW, and this is UNACCEPTABLE.

The manager is clearly slacking off.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
17. I know UNREAL! Like we don't have Enough to deal with
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:12 PM
Aug 2020

without Misinformation!!!

ALL HANDS ON DECK! Thank You!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. It appears some people are resentful enough to enjoy a circular firing squad despite the damage
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:33 PM
Aug 2020

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it may do them.

As long as those they hate are smeared, they're happy, no matter if it's factual, and those whom they are smearing are the ones keeping this country from going over the edge into the abyss.

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. The best way, at this point in 2020, is to vote against him and get him out of office.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:48 PM
Aug 2020

BTW, there's also this that might have been overlooked by some:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142561733

Pelosi weighs bringing House back early to address Postal Service crisis

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. Some people will be sorry that they continually trashed her as "vacationing"
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:31 PM
Aug 2020

and not having any inclination to "get her ass back to DC to do some work."

Cha

(297,137 posts)
29. Wow! So Nancy can't come back without
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 09:34 PM
Aug 2020

Senate approval?!

So how can Nancy be "weighing it" then? Trying to figure out a way to do it?

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. She might be able to call them back toward the end of August, but not right away unless they meet...
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 10:18 PM
Aug 2020

....informally and not conduct any votes.

Gothmog

(145,128 posts)
21. Exactly what more do you think that Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats could have done?
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:56 PM
Aug 2020

What exact steps or actions do you think that the Democrats in Congress could have done but have not? There was an impeachment trial. The House has been suing like crazy to force testimony. It only took a year and half to get a ruling on McGhan

Are you a believer in a magical kraken that Speaker Pelosi can unleash? If so, where is this kraken discussed in the Constitution? Neither I nor the other DU lawyers remember this concept being discussed in Constitutional Law and none of us have been able to find mention of this kraken in the Us Constitution.

BTW, trump was held accountable to the extent that despite his lies, he cause the GOP to lose 40+ seats in the House which is the reason why we have Nancy Pelosi as speaker.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
22. Yes trump has been Impeached by the Democratic House & if it weren't for the
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:07 PM
Aug 2020

gd Senate Magats he would have been Indicted.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. Oh, and there's this:
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:48 PM
Aug 2020





https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-105/pdf/HMAN-105-pg878.pdf

And before you decide to post Don Winslow's tweet as an OP, he is a fiction writer - who apparently didn't research this before authoring this rant about Pelosi. Fiction is the only place where Barr would fail to protect anyone in Trump's administration Trump orders him to from legal prosecution, or from serving time for a conviction even when they pleaded guilty - Twice.

Yeah, sure Madame Speaker can subpoena, and then press charges for non-compliance but they have to refer prosecution to.... U.S. Attorney General Barr. The thing is, she knows her shit, so she knows it would be an utter fools errand to subpoena with the intent to arrest for non-compliance, despite the numerous armchair quarterbacks out there who are foaming at the mouth at her with such rage that they don't comprehend - and apparently won't listen when told - that they have not clue one as to the rules of the game. WHY IS THE COACH LETTING THEM LEAVE THE FIELD HALFWAY THROUGH THE GAME??? WHY THE HELL HAVE THEY QUIT? FIRE THAT COACH!!!!!

The criminal contempt of Congress statute, enacted in 1857 and only slightly modified since, makes the failure to comply with a duly issued congressional subpoena a criminal offense. The statute, now codified under 2 U.S.C. § 192, provides that any person who “willfully” fails to comply with a properly issued committee subpoena for testimony or documents is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a substantial fine and imprisonment for up to one year. The criminal contempt statute outlines the process by which the House or Senate may refer the non-compliant witness to the Department of Justice (DOJ) for criminal prosecution.



https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45653

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
13. Joy is discussing this exact thing on the Reidout
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:06 PM
Aug 2020

had 2 clips of 45 on Faux News admitting he's holding up covid $ because USPS funding is included.

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