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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:10 PM Aug 2020

In 'Stunning' 2-1 Decision, Appeals Court Says Congress Can't Enforce Subpoena Against Ex-WH Counsel

Source: Law & Crime

A federal appeals court in Washington, D.C. on Monday ruled that the U.S. House of Representatives does not have any legal authority to enforce a subpoena against former White House counsel Don McGahn. In a 2-1 decision penned by Judge Thomas B. Griffith, a George W. Bush appointee, the court reasoned that the Constitution does not grant a congressional committee the power to enforce its own subpoenas, dismissing the case in favor of McGahn.

“Congress has no implied constitutional power to seek civil enforcement of its subpoenas. The Committee thus cannot identify an underlying judicial remedy that could authorize it to invoke the Declaratory Judgment Act,” Griffith wrote. “Because the Committee lacks a cause of action to enforce its subpoena, this lawsuit must be dismissed.”

Judge Griffith stated, however, that while the committee does not currently have such enforcement power, that could be rectified if Congress passed a law granting such authority.

“We note that this decision does not preclude Congress (or one of its chambers) from ever enforcing a subpoena in federal court; it simply precludes it from doing so without first enacting a statute authorizing such a suit,” he wrote. “If Congress (rather than a single committee in a single chamber thereof) determines that its current mechanisms leave it unable to adequately enforce its subpoenas, it remains free to enact a statute that makes the House’s requests for information judicially enforceable. Indeed, Congress has passed similar statutes before, authorizing criminal enforcement in 1857 and civil enforcement for the Senate in 1978.”


Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/in-stunning-2-1-decision-appeals-court-says-congress-cant-enforce-subpoena-against-ex-wh-counsel-don-mcgahn/

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In 'Stunning' 2-1 Decision, Appeals Court Says Congress Can't Enforce Subpoena Against Ex-WH Counsel (Original Post) Calista241 Aug 2020 OP
Isn't this the same three judge panel Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #1
i think it is CatWoman Aug 2020 #2
It took a while to return to the full court ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #6
Unless they take 2/3 they'd have to overcome the Filibuster. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #9
If the Dems also have the white house, McConnell may be more tempted to allow it ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #14
filibuster will be dead liberalgunwilltravel Aug 2020 #16
And I strongly believe killing the filibuster will be a watershed moment for Democrats groundloop Aug 2020 #20
Not if MAJORITY Leader Schumer bans ALL filibusters for 1772 days. JohnQFunk Aug 2020 #24
I think it can only be in 2-year stints but OK. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #28
Dems are the only ones hurt by the filibuster DeminPennswoods Aug 2020 #38
it would have been a disaster in 2017-2018. maxsolomon Sep 2020 #41
well, that full court just kicked Flynn in the nuts CatWoman Aug 2020 #17
Yes! I am thinking it will do the same with this ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #18
The courts are an independent branch of government. former9thward Aug 2020 #26
Congress regulates the judicial branch and can pass laws that limit the scope of SCOTUS ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #27
None of which applies to the subject at hand. former9thward Aug 2020 #34
I am not sure what you mean by that ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #40
No. One judge in common out of three onenote Aug 2020 #37
I wonder how much of this is those 2 conservative judges auditioning for SCOTUS ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #15
Oh, but the Senate can't vote on Supreme Court nominees in an election year..... groundloop Aug 2020 #21
Not these two. Both are nearing retirement. onenote Aug 2020 #39
No, this case was before Judges Henderson, Rogers, and Griffith. sl8 Aug 2020 #23
While The Same Court DallasNE Aug 2020 #33
Thanks. Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #36
hmmm, so, there is a statute that says House and Senate have subpoena power? Thomas Hurt Aug 2020 #3
Nail meet head. scipan Sep 2020 #42
Translation: A Congressional Subpoena is utterly toothless and can be ignored with impunity. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #4
They still wield the power of money. C_U_L8R Aug 2020 #5
Damn right. I wish they would do something - anything! Firestorm49 Aug 2020 #13
So get on it immediately! LiberalLovinLug Aug 2020 #7
Passed by the Senate and signed by the President. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #8
Well, that kind of speaks volumes. theaocp Aug 2020 #10
This 'Constitution' of ours is looking weaker every day ... GeorgeGist Aug 2020 #11
That Is Stunning DallasNE Aug 2020 #12
+1. yonder Aug 2020 #31
Did you read the opinion? former9thward Aug 2020 #35
*COUGH* En Banc *COUGH* hatrack Aug 2020 #19
Seriously? ananda Aug 2020 #22
I need to check the Constitution. Is the judiciary branch granted sinkingfeeling Aug 2020 #25
Excellent point Yeehah Aug 2020 #32
A major jurisdictional blunder that will lead 2 the judiciary's erosion if the WH occupant survives ancianita Aug 2020 #29
kick nt Grasswire2 Aug 2020 #30

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
1. Isn't this the same three judge panel
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:12 PM
Aug 2020

That said the DoJ can dismiss Flynn''s guilty please, only to be overturned by the full court?

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
6. It took a while to return to the full court
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

With this, they managed to punt any action resulting from a possible overturn from the full court so that compliance with congress's subpoena(s) could be too late to make a difference in the election. I think when Dems take the senate there will be some reforms to reduce such delay tactics. These delays handicap Congress's oversight duty.

maxsolomon

(33,312 posts)
9. Unless they take 2/3 they'd have to overcome the Filibuster.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:35 PM
Aug 2020

McConnell (I'm assuming he wins and becomes Minority Leader) would never allow such a measure to come to the floor.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
14. If the Dems also have the white house, McConnell may be more tempted to allow it
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:45 PM
Aug 2020

Also, the Dems are usually the ones who take executive oversight more seriously. They may change the filibuster rules to fix things. The nuclear option is always a viable option when McConnell wants something badly. Nancy will figure out what she needs to do if this is necessary to enable proper executive oversight.

16. filibuster will be dead
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:50 PM
Aug 2020

I suspect that if the Democrats take the Senate with less than a 60 vote majority that the filibuster will cease to exist or at least be greatly diminished. The Democrats are done allowing a minority stymie the will of a vast majority.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
20. And I strongly believe killing the filibuster will be a watershed moment for Democrats
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:05 PM
Aug 2020

Popular agenda will become law, people will have better healthcare, lower income people will have at least a livable wage, elections will become more fair which will mean Democrats will win more often. GOPers will have to pivot left or face extinction. I truly believe the nuclear option will be good for the country and good for the Democratic Party.

JohnQFunk

(409 posts)
24. Not if MAJORITY Leader Schumer bans ALL filibusters for 1772 days.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:21 PM
Aug 2020

ALL FILIBUSTERS - not just judicial nominees but legislation. Along with ALL "blue slips", ALL stalling and obstruction "privileges".

That is by the way the number of days between President Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland and Joe Biden taking the Presidential oath of office.

NO FILIBUSTERS for the NEXT 1772 days of Democratic control of Congress.

On the 1773rd say, the Democratic majority will be open to negotiating filibuster rules - and saying, "No, we like a filibuster-free Senate. Bite me."

maxsolomon

(33,312 posts)
28. I think it can only be in 2-year stints but OK.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 04:50 PM
Aug 2020

Be careful what you wish for in a nation full of white people that could easily put the GOP back in charge if you hurt their feewings.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
38. Dems are the only ones hurt by the filibuster
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 08:54 PM
Aug 2020

Rs would eliminate it in a heartbeat if it helped their cause.

maxsolomon

(33,312 posts)
41. it would have been a disaster in 2017-2018.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:17 AM
Sep 2020

It kept the worst ideas of the Trump/GOP House from ever coming to pass. They only got the tax cut the same way we got the ACA: through Reconciliation.

It stops progress from happening, but it also stops regress from happening. To a degree.

The Senate is the House of Lords, and it's job is to put its knee on the neck of change.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
27. Congress regulates the judicial branch and can pass laws that limit the scope of SCOTUS
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 04:31 PM
Aug 2020

Article 3 of the United States Constitution establishes the Judicial Branch, which consists of the United States Supreme Court. For example, Congress has the power to create laws, the President has the power to veto them, and the Supreme Court may declare laws unconstitutional.

"In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."

Congress can regulate the supreme court.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
37. No. One judge in common out of three
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 08:53 PM
Aug 2020

The Flynn panel was Rao, Henderson and Wilkins

This panel was Henderson, Griffith and Rogers.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
15. I wonder how much of this is those 2 conservative judges auditioning for SCOTUS
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:49 PM
Aug 2020

Conservatives are rabidly hoping one of the older SCOTUS liberals has to be replaced by January.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
21. Oh, but the Senate can't vote on Supreme Court nominees in an election year.....
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:06 PM
Aug 2020

Oh wait-that's only when it suits McConnell'a purposes.

sl8

(13,748 posts)
23. No, this case was before Judges Henderson, Rogers, and Griffith.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:12 PM
Aug 2020

On edit:
The Flynn case was heard by Judges Henderson, Wilkins, and Rao.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. hmmm, so, there is a statute that says House and Senate have subpoena power?
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:16 PM
Aug 2020

If you can't enforce a subpoena in federal court isn't that saying there is no subpoena power?

They just turned subpoenas into "assertively asking".

maxsolomon

(33,312 posts)
4. Translation: A Congressional Subpoena is utterly toothless and can be ignored with impunity.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:17 PM
Aug 2020

The House of Representatives is exposed as the weak sister of the Federal Government.

I think we'd better get the Supremes to rule on this one. Just to confirm that the Constitution is now a complete joke.

C_U_L8R

(44,999 posts)
5. They still wield the power of money.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:20 PM
Aug 2020

If they can't subpoena (for now), they should cut the Trump budget and payroll to zero until they cooperate.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
7. So get on it immediately!
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:27 PM
Aug 2020

“We note that this decision does not preclude Congress (or one of its chambers) from ever enforcing a subpoena in federal court; it simply precludes it from doing so without first enacting a statute authorizing such a suit,”


theaocp

(4,236 posts)
10. Well, that kind of speaks volumes.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:41 PM
Aug 2020

Social studies curriculum is going to take an interesting course through all this destruction.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
12. That Is Stunning
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:43 PM
Aug 2020

I would think that Congress would have an implied constitutional power to seek civil enforcement deriving from its power to issue the subpoena in the first place. This ruling means that a congressional subpoena is not worth the paper it is written upon.

I think it is also noteworthy that the Judge does not cite case law to support this decision and that alone places it on shaky ground.

yonder

(9,663 posts)
31. +1.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 05:11 PM
Aug 2020
I think it is also noteworthy that the Judge does not cite case law to support this decision and that alone places it on shaky ground.

former9thward

(31,984 posts)
35. Did you read the opinion?
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 06:28 PM
Aug 2020

You may not agree with the case law cited but the appeals court did cite plenty of it. This is the opinion in case you wish to read it.

https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/6402FB14D0F73EDD852585D5005DA953/$file/19-5331-1859039.pdf

sinkingfeeling

(51,446 posts)
25. I need to check the Constitution. Is the judiciary branch granted
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:25 PM
Aug 2020

explicit authority to enforce judges' subpoenas?

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
29. A major jurisdictional blunder that will lead 2 the judiciary's erosion if the WH occupant survives
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 05:07 PM
Aug 2020

the general election.

Subpoena's a judicial branch tool that the judicial branch shouldn't deny to the legislative branch's constitutional power of oversight. This is a hobbling of the balance of power, an undue burden on the people's branch, and the appeals court must know this.

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