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Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:08 PM

L.A. deputies tackled and arrested a reporter. Her videos contradict their claims about the incident

Source: Washington Post

NPR executives and reporters groups condemned Huang’s arrest, demanding her charges be dropped and the sheriff’s department explain why officers forcefully tackled her.As Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies tackled Josie Huang to the street on Saturday night, the reporter for NPR affiliate KPCC screamed repeatedly she was a journalist. Deputies arrested her anyway, leaving her with scrapes, bruises, a five-hour stay in custody — and an obstruction charge that carries up to a year in jail.

Police claimed Huang, who also reports for LAist, didn’t have credentials and ignored demands to leave the area. But those claims are contradicted by video Huang shared on Sunday showing her quickly backing away from police when ordered to do so and repeatedly identifying herself as a journalist. Huang said she also had a press badge around her neck.

Early on Sunday morning, the sheriff’s office told a different story in recounting her arrest. The department said that as officers were struggling to arrest a protester, “a female adult ran towards the deputies, ignored repeated commands to stay back as they struggled with the male and interfered with the arrest.”

Huang “did not identify herself as press,” the department claimed, “and later admitted she did not have proper press credentials on her person.” Asked by The Post to clarify those claims in light of Huang’s videos showing her clearly identifying herself as a reporter, a department spokesperson declined to comment citing an ongoing investigation.



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The war on journalists must stop.

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Reply L.A. deputies tackled and arrested a reporter. Her videos contradict their claims about the incident (Original post)
SunSeeker Sep 2020 OP
rockfordfile Sep 2020 #1
Fullduplexxx Sep 2020 #2
ret5hd Sep 2020 #3
PoliticAverse Sep 2020 #6
12over Sep 2020 #22
Hekate Sep 2020 #11
melm00se Sep 2020 #18
Yeehah Sep 2020 #41
Faux pas Sep 2020 #4
GETPLANING Sep 2020 #5
12over Sep 2020 #7
blm Sep 2020 #20
bluestateboomer Sep 2020 #8
12over Sep 2020 #9
ms liberty Sep 2020 #15
12over Sep 2020 #16
ms liberty Sep 2020 #21
12over Sep 2020 #23
LanternWaste Sep 2020 #30
12over Sep 2020 #32
niyad Sep 2020 #24
csziggy Sep 2020 #27
12over Sep 2020 #28
csziggy Sep 2020 #31
12over Sep 2020 #33
csziggy Sep 2020 #35
12over Sep 2020 #36
csziggy Sep 2020 #42
12over Sep 2020 #45
Kali Sep 2020 #44
LanternWaste Sep 2020 #29
12over Sep 2020 #37
IcyPeas Sep 2020 #10
SunSeeker Sep 2020 #19
The Magistrate Sep 2020 #12
12over Sep 2020 #13
niyad Sep 2020 #25
PatrickforO Sep 2020 #14
cstanleytech Sep 2020 #17
SunSeeker Sep 2020 #43
Illumination Sep 2020 #26
csziggy Sep 2020 #34
SunSeeker Sep 2020 #38
yardwork Sep 2020 #39
SunSeeker Sep 2020 #40

Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:15 PM

1. that sheriff should be fired. enough of these crooks lying

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:17 PM

2. Lying fucks in blue

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:20 PM

3. What government department, exactly, is in charge of issuing "press credentials"?

I can answer for you: There is NO govt department that is in charge of issuing press credentials, because there IS NO SUCH THING.

A media company (or anybody else) can print and laminate a fancy multi-colored complete with logo card, but it gives no more legal or constitutional rights than a piece of tape on your chest with a Sharpie scrawl on it that says "Press".

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:35 PM

6. I tend to agree with you in spirit but "press credentials" are a real thing.

Basically they are allowed when they give some people ( "credentialed press" ) special privileges - basically the right to be where the general public isn't allowed - for example the White House Press room or being in the middle of a riot or they allow the holder the right to bypass security screening at a location.

Here is a copy of the "Press Credential" requirements for the Supreme Court of the United States (.pdf):
https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/press/Media_Requirements_And_Procedures_Revised_070717.pdf


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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 02:01 PM

22. White House press room? Yes

Middle of a riot? No.

A "press pass" is sort of a pre-background check for CERTAIN situations. Instead of having to look into someones background EVERY time they come to a White Press Conference, or get access to a locker room of a sports team.

Controlled situations. Sure. All the time.

In the middle of a riot? no way. No how. Never.

Too dynamic. What are the police supposed to do? Stop. Ignore any criminal activity that is going on around them. Call in to dispatch to have them check to see if the person holding a laminated card or shouting "WKRP! WKRP!" is REALLY who they say they are?|

no way. No how. Never.

Journalists know this too. I worked for an ABC affiliate for years. If a reporter had ignored police commands to leave an area and got themselves arrested while yelling the station call letters they would have likely been fired on the spot. Just a REALLy good way to sour the relationship between the station and the police and make it likely so that when the situation isnt as fluid and dangerous as say, in the middle of a riot, the station would NOT be granted access because the police have previous experience with their reporters NOT following instructions.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:56 PM

11. See post #8 for the answer to your questions

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:28 PM

18. One of my "jobs"

as an intern at a media company was to generate letters on company letterhead saying that "so & so" works for us in the following capacity _________. Then send it off to whatever department that was needed.

For the most part, it was a pro forma activity but for certain things (like sports teams, artistic events etc), it was required to be able to get in without having to buy a ticket. Even with the letter, some organizations would say "no".

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 08:18 PM

41. State press associations issue press credentials

Why the fuck should the government have anything to do with that?

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:25 PM

4. Kickin' with disgust!

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:33 PM

5. An arrest report is a sworn affidavit.

Lying on a sworn affidavit is a felony. Why aren't the arresting officers being charged? (I know)

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:43 PM

7. video


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Response to 12over (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:48 PM

20. My take: those aren't BLM protestors, they are agit-props for Rightwing money

BLM doesn’t act like that or call for the deaths of hospitalized police. Only agit-prop actors would be sooverthetop and sounding off exactly as Rightwingers like to claim when they stereotype the real movement.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:44 PM

8. LASD Press Credential Application

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:51 PM

9. To be fair

A "press pass" does not mean you can do whatever you want and ignore police commands.

You can print up whatever kind of laminate you want and hang it around your neck and tell the police "I'm with the press!"... that means about F.A. when they tell you to leave an area.

Not saying the police were justified in arresting her, we dont know the entirety of the situation/facts... but falling back on, "I'm a member of the PRESS!" as some justification for not being arrested means little.

EVERYONE with a camera of a pencil and paper is a "member of the press" these days. Doesnt matter if you blog from your basement or report AP.

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Response to 12over (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:13 PM

15. A credentialed journalist is not some civvie with a pen and notepad

Which is what this woman is, a credentialed journalist, but your concern is noted.

Enjoy your stay. Do you like pizza?

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:22 PM

16. Doesnt matter

A "press credential", no matter the source, doesn't mean you can ignore police commands.

Doesnt matter if you are "civvie" or a "professional"

There is no magic "I can ignore the police and go where ever/when ever I want" pass

again, not saying the police were justified in this case... just noting that yelling out a station FCC i.d. or showing a laminated card means nothing.

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Response to 12over (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:55 PM

21. Its a little late to tell us that you don't think the cops were justified in this case

When you've already gone straight to rhe RW talking points playbook, in more than two posts in this thread alone.


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Response to ms liberty (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 02:04 PM

23. Edited for content

Last edited Mon Sep 14, 2020, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

I have merely stated facts... press passes dont grant special privileges to ignore police commands.

that is neither a left wing or right wing talking point.

It might be a fact you dont like, but it is a fact none the less.

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Response to 12over (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:49 PM

30. If no one is saying that a press pass is magical, then your facts are, at best, irrelevant.

It may be an irrelevancy you like to clothe yourself in, but it is an irrelevancy "none the less" (sic).

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:59 PM

32. But

the entire assertion is that she shouldn't have been arrested because she is a member of the press, had a pass and said the call letters of a radio station.

Soooooooo "my" facts... which are actually EVEYRONE'S facts... are at best and worst, directly on point.


and stop with the personal attacks.

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Response to 12over (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 02:50 PM

24. Perhaps you should read the OP.

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Response to 12over (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:17 PM

27. In the videos it was clear she was NOT ignoring police commands

They told her ONCE to back up, she did. Perhaps she didn't back up as fast as they wanted her to, but they gave her little time to get very far back.

AS far as "leaving the area" the press cannot do their job of covering an event if they completely leave the area whenever the cops do not want a spotlight on their activities. The job of the press is to show what is going on and they cannot do that if they are not there in the middle of the action.

Oh, the courts have held that blog reporters are as legitimately press as those who report for AP, so yes "EVERYONE with a camera of a pencil and paper is a "member of the press" these days." Under the US Constitution we ALL have a right to freedom of speech, not just those with credentials from some big corporate press organization.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:27 PM

28. as I have said

if the police are justified or not? That will have to play out.


from the video she posted we can see that:

she was behind the police as they advanced telling people to leave the area
Typically a good place to be as police advance dispersing a crowd
She then walked up into the police line as they were arresting someone
At that point not every officer is going to know, "Is this person someone that should have left the area due to our commands? Or did this person just walk up behind me and is someone we missed as we advanced"
if nothing else, it looks like she surprised the officers more than anything and their reaction is going to be to put her under physical restraint and figure it out later

see the bottom video in post #13 for a clear view of the actions outlined above.



All the way around, charges against her will likely be dropped, and there will be little to no recourse she or her employer can take as she walked into the middle of a police action and got caught up in it.


And yes, ANYONE is press. But again... being "press" does not mean you can ignore police orders or just go where ever you want during a police action. That is kind of the point... if EVERYONE is press... then EVERYONE cant just ignore police orders.

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Response to 12over (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:54 PM

31. There is no justification for the violence used against a non-violent person

As shown in the videos you referenced or in the other videos of the confrontation. You also ignored the first part of Huang's tweet - that she had been sending in a video and when she looked up the police had enlarged their perimeter, leaving her inside of it. Any "surprise" she gave them was from their poor work, not by anything she did.

They were far more violent with her than was necessary and she did nothing to provoke them other than being in a place where they did not want any reporters.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 04:01 PM

33. She was in a place where they wanted no one.

She was in a place where they wanted no one, not just "press"

EVERYONE that was where she was located was getting arrested.

So it isnt a "they were targeting "press" sort of thing.

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Response to 12over (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 04:07 PM

35. It's ovious the police wanted no witnesses to whatever they were doing

And "press" are not the only ones who can report on what the police are doing. That is why the police wanted no witnesses, press or otherwise.

That in itself is suspicious. Law enforcement is under fire for abuse of power - trying to prevent all witnesses to their activities seems to indicate that they are planning something that they know will be criticized. Too bad for them that their efforts failed and not only their violence against the guy waving the flag - a non-violent protestor - and against a reporter were both videoed.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 04:16 PM

36. That conspiracy theory doesnt fly any more.

The whole, "the police were after the press" bit just doesnt hold water.

Everyone has a cell phone. Everyone is the press. Every camera is already rolling.

the thought of... all we have to do is find the person yelling station call letters and arrest them and no one will see what we are doing is just downright laughable.

seriously?

Everyone there was getting arrested. It wasnt just the person saying station call letters.

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Response to 12over (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 09:46 PM

42. What conspiracy theory are you dreaming up?

I said, " That is why the police wanted no witnesses, press or otherwise." I never said that they were only after Huang. I objected to the police violence to someone who was not really obstructing them or offering them violence. The only reason for the police to attack her was that they missed her in their first attempt to clear the area of witnesses and used excessive force in enforcing an order that she tried to obey just not as fast as they wanted.

Since most of the protests have been against police violence, to use additional excessive violence to enforce what is essentially an unconstitutional order is egregious on the part of the police.

Obviously you are intent on picking arguments. So long.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:35 AM

45. I said, " That is why the police wanted no witnesses, press or otherwise."

That is exactly the conspiracy theory you are putting forth.

They werent arresting people to keep people from covering them arresting people.

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Response to 12over (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 08:57 AM

44. oh look who is here taking which side

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Response to 12over (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:46 PM

29. Who exactly, is arguing a press pass allows one to ignore police and do whatever one wants to?

Failing that, is anyone even making that implication or using it as support for a premise or conclusion?

Or are you simply pushing back on a point no one is making?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 04:17 PM

37. Who exactly, is arguing a press pass allows one to ignore police and do whatever one wants to?

uuuhhmmm....


the people asserting she shouldnt have been arrested BECAUSE she was press.


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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:55 PM

10. clear footage of her being tossed to the ground: [VIDEO]

It happens at the very beginning of this youtube clip:


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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:29 PM

19. Sounds like she shouted "I'm with KPCC!" about a dozen times.

Needless, gratuitous brutality.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:06 PM

12. Police Lie, Sir

A police officer's word is worthless in any case where police violence is involved. Nothing an involved officer, or the department the officer works for, should ever be taken as true unless backed up by testimony of witnesses independent of the police. In which case the officer's testimony is not necessary.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:10 PM

13. Video from reporter walking up behind officers

Officers were clearing the area, telling people to leave, arresting those that didnt and reporter walks up behind/amongst them.


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Response to 12over (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 02:52 PM

25. Interesting.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:11 PM

14. Harder for police to just lie about things like this these days.

Because..............surprise................ten or twelve people captured the whole thing on video.
This is the DU member formerly known as PatrickforO.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:25 PM

17. Sounds like the makings of one hell of a major lawsuit and one that I hope Huang and

the NPR refuse to settle out of court.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

43. Right now, all KPCC is asking for is an apology.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 03:09 PM

26. Was this a proper way to engage with a journalist? Did she pose a real threat?

 

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Response to Illumination (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 04:02 PM

34. Does it make any difference that she is a journalist?

The real question is - Was this a proper way to engage with a citizen?

Although journalists are considered a special case under the right to free speech in this country, they do not have more rights than the average citizen. The Supreme Court has held that anyone has the right to report on activities, whether they are reporters for corporate media or people posting information online. So any citizen has the right to video police actions as long as they are not interfering with the police.

The other question is - do the police have the right to clear off everyone - press or citizen reporters - so far back that there are no witnesses to their activities?

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Response to csziggy (Reply #34)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 08:06 PM

38. Sure looks like the deputies didn't want witnesses as they beat the crap out of those 5 protesters.

The protesters, per deputy orders, were dispersing but that was not enough for the sheriff deputies. They started chasing them down the street, and when Huang heard the commotion is when she approached the scene, as the articles note.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Mon Sep 14, 2020, 08:10 PM

39. There seems to be something wrong with the LASD.

I've read articles stating that a whistleblower claims that some of the deputies are part of a gang.

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