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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:27 PM

Statistical (19,264 posts)

Outrage against Dianne Feinstein as potential Judiciary chair comes out against Senate reform

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Source: Raw Story

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) received harsh criticism on Monday after coming out against Senate reform of the filibuster.

“I don’t believe in doing that. I think the filibuster serves a purpose,” Feinstein argued.

“It is not often used, it’s often less used now than when I first came, and I think it’s part of the Senate that differentiates itself,” Feinstein falsely claimed.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/outrage-against-dianne-feinstein-as-potential-judiciary-chair-comes-out-against-senate-reform/

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Reply Outrage against Dianne Feinstein as potential Judiciary chair comes out against Senate reform (Original post)
 Statistical Sep 2020 OP
LineReply rawstory is not a new source nt
 msongs Sep 2020 #1
LineReply Feinstein was in a coma during the Obama years, I guess.
 House of Roberts Sep 2020 #2
LineReply I'm sick of having the Republicans break all the rules. Times have changed.
 dem4decades Sep 2020 #3
LineLineReply 100% agree!
 dicksmc3 Sep 2020 #38
LineLineLineReply Pretty sure the choice at this point is vote for Democrats over Republicans.
 dem4decades Sep 2020 #39
LineReply Someones gonna have to talk some sense into her. The Senate is a fucking joke. nt
 BootinUp Sep 2020 #4
LineReply She expressed her opinion, she didn't "argue"! Rawstory screwed this one up royally.
 George II Sep 2020 #5
LineLineReply It's weird her opinion expressed the desire to keep slavery-based senate rules, though.
 Gore1FL Sep 2020 #8
LineLineLineReply Look up the definition of filibuster.
 SharonClark Sep 2020 #15
LineLineLineLineReply Definition of filibuster from a Dutch word meaning "pirate"
 Gore1FL Sep 2020 #23
LineReply If Feinstein has an opinion about Senate rules she can run again.
 Gore1FL Sep 2020 #6
LineReply This won't be popular but I agree with her
 genxlib Sep 2020 #7
LineLineReply Yeah... no...
 Gore1FL Sep 2020 #9
LineLineLineReply +1 Perhaps it time for her to retire......nt
 OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2020 #12
LineLineLineLineReply I said the same thing and my post was removed. I'll say it again.
 demosincebirth Sep 2020 #25
LineLineLineLineLineReply Saying THAT was removed?? Thats ridiculous.
 oldsoftie Sep 2020 #34
LineLineLineReply The link is interesting but it's about
 SharonClark Sep 2020 #18
LineLineLineLineReply It has everything to do with oppression.
 Gore1FL Sep 2020 #24
LineReply It will take pressure from constituents to hold her feet to the fire
 Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #10
LineLineReply Maybe 2013 is pertinent. Last time filibuster rules were changed. Democratic Party in power.
 delisen Sep 2020 #31
LineLineLineReply Everyone forgets that.
 oldsoftie Sep 2020 #35
LineReply Does she really want to be Max Baucus?
 Renew Deal Sep 2020 #11
LineReply PLEASE let us concentrate on the election right now.....
 groundloop Sep 2020 #13
LineLineReply +1
 chowder66 Sep 2020 #17
LineLineReply But now we need to win it with at least 53 seats...
 regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #21
LineLineReply Thank you.
 CBHagman Sep 2020 #26
LineLineReply Yes and it gives time for everyone to read actual history. nt
 delisen Sep 2020 #32
LineReply I just think there ought to be a limit.
 rickyhall Sep 2020 #14
LineReply It once did serve a purpose, which is why it should be suspended indefinitely
 Warpy Sep 2020 #16
LineReply I'm not outraged. She has a right to her opinion especially since it isn't even up for a vote
 chowder66 Sep 2020 #19
LineReply Time to go Diane. The next generation is ready and willing to actually lead. Nt
 liskddksil Sep 2020 #20
LineReply With all due respect, this is exactly why we're in the position we are...
 regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #22
LineReply I wish we still had the ability to filibuster to stop a Supreme Court nominee
 Liberty Belle Sep 2020 #27
LineLineReply We took away filibuster for other judges and nominees in 2013 and then we lost the Senate....
 delisen Sep 2020 #33
LineReply Hello earth calling Feinstein
 standingtall Sep 2020 #28
LineLineReply We took away filibuster for other judges and nominees in 2013 and then we lost the Senate....
 delisen Sep 2020 #36
LineLineLineNew Reply We are likely to lose the ACA in December with a 6-3 court ...and no hope of passing any
 Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #46
LineLineReply Biden already pretty much said he'd be a one term president. I'm not worried about re-election.
 oldsoftie Sep 2020 #37
LineLineLineNew Reply Regardless with no agenda passed it wouldn't be Biden replaced by another Democrat it would
 Statistical Sep 2020 #41
LineLineLineNew Reply We won't have four years...if we don't send help, we will be out in two years by losing the house an
 Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #45
LineLineNew Reply I agree. However, it can't be overstated how important the first mid -term election is...we lost
 Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #47
LineReply We have A HUGE OTHER PROBLEM FACING US. Don't pick on loyal Democratic Party candidates now.
 C Moon Sep 2020 #29
LineLineReply Thank you. It's like a squirrel running past a dog...
 Hekate Sep 2020 #30
LineNew Reply We're still wielding sporks to a gunfight I see...
 durablend Sep 2020 #40
LineNew Reply she is not a lock in for chairman... nobody is...
 getagrip_already Sep 2020 #42
LineNew Reply Really............................
 turbinetree Sep 2020 #43
LineNew Reply So replace her...filibuster must go. Or like 2009, we won't be able to help the people and will be
 Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #44
LineNew Reply I suppose there might be ways for Dems to play hard ball
 HariSeldon Sep 2020 #48
LineNew Reply After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
 Omaha Steve Sep 2020 #49

Response to Statistical (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:30 PM

Star Member msongs (65,203 posts)

1. rawstory is not a new source nt

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Response to Statistical (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:30 PM

House of Roberts (4,510 posts)

2. Feinstein was in a coma during the Obama years, I guess.

The filibuster does serve a purpose though. It gives the Oppressor Class tax cuts at fifty one votes, while making it take 60 to repeal them.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

dem4decades (10,096 posts)

3. I'm sick of having the Republicans break all the rules. Times have changed.

Democrats must change too, that means you Diane.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 06:56 AM

dicksmc3 (262 posts)

38. 100% agree!

Feinstein is a fixture just like Schumer, McConnel, Grassley and others that HAVE TO GO!! We need PROGRESSIVES to be in charge not these wimps who are actually DINOs and suck ass to republiCONS!! Vote them out in November!!

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 07:01 AM

dem4decades (10,096 posts)

39. Pretty sure the choice at this point is vote for Democrats over Republicans.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:34 PM

Star Member BootinUp (43,802 posts)

4. Someones gonna have to talk some sense into her. The Senate is a fucking joke. nt

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Response to Statistical (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:36 PM

Star Member George II (67,782 posts)

5. She expressed her opinion, she didn't "argue"! Rawstory screwed this one up royally.

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:39 PM

Star Member Gore1FL (20,438 posts)

8. It's weird her opinion expressed the desire to keep slavery-based senate rules, though.

The history of the filibuster is kind of important.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:17 PM

Star Member SharonClark (9,493 posts)

15. Look up the definition of filibuster.

Filibuster has two meanings, the one revered to when discussing the Senate, and a second that speaks to invading areas for political purposes during the 1800s.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:26 AM

Star Member Gore1FL (20,438 posts)

23. Definition of filibuster from a Dutch word meaning "pirate"

We don't need this bullshit anymore. It only helps the oppressor.

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Response to Statistical (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:37 PM

Star Member Gore1FL (20,438 posts)

6. If Feinstein has an opinion about Senate rules she can run again.

I don't think that running on slavery rules will get he a win in California, but you never know, I guess.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:37 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,220 posts)

7. This won't be popular but I agree with her

Considering that the built in advantage in the Senate is overwhelmingly Republican, then we are far more likely to be in the minority party going forward. It would be handing them the weapon to finish us off.

I would only do it if I thought there was a play to make DC and PR into states. That still won't give us balance in the Senate but would make it closer.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:41 PM

Star Member Gore1FL (20,438 posts)

9. Yeah... no...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/ushistory1os/chapter/the-filibuster-and-the-quest-for-new-slave-states/

The filibuster started with slavery and it has continually been used as a stifling force for progression of our values.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:09 PM

Star Member OAITW r.2.0 (17,861 posts)

12. +1 Perhaps it time for her to retire......nt

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:29 AM

Star Member demosincebirth (12,353 posts)

25. I said the same thing and my post was removed. I'll say it again.

I think she should retire.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:47 AM

oldsoftie (10,261 posts)

34. Saying THAT was removed?? Thats ridiculous.

But then, most are.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:24 PM

Star Member SharonClark (9,493 posts)

18. The link is interesting but it's about

filibuster EXPEDITIONS, not the current Senate procedure that has nothing to do with slavery.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:28 AM

Star Member Gore1FL (20,438 posts)

24. It has everything to do with oppression.

It's a distinction without a difference.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:49 PM

Star Member Fiendish Thingy (11,564 posts)

10. It will take pressure from constituents to hold her feet to the fire

If they keep the filibuster, Biden’s agenda, and America’s healing, is doomed.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:30 AM

delisen (5,773 posts)

31. Maybe 2013 is pertinent. Last time filibuster rules were changed. Democratic Party in power.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:48 AM

oldsoftie (10,261 posts)

35. Everyone forgets that.

And even McConnell warned against it

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:52 PM

Star Member Renew Deal (80,545 posts)

11. Does she really want to be Max Baucus?

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:13 PM

groundloop (10,851 posts)

13. PLEASE let us concentrate on the election right now.....

It's WAY too early to start getting into a circular firing squad over shit like this, we first need to win the Senate before it's even relevant.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

Star Member chowder66 (7,739 posts)

17. +1

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:57 PM

Star Member regnaD kciN (25,562 posts)

21. But now we need to win it with at least 53 seats...

...because you know that Manchin will share her position, so we need to get to 51 without her.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

Star Member CBHagman (16,737 posts)

26. Thank you.

Technology is schooling us to be nonstop reactors instead of actors.

The thing now is to get on with electing Democrats, keeping the House and taking the Senate and the White House. That's plenty to do and more than demanding enough.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:32 AM

delisen (5,773 posts)

32. Yes and it gives time for everyone to read actual history. nt

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:13 PM

rickyhall (4,889 posts)

14. I just think there ought to be a limit.

She, like Grassley, has passed it. This is the 21st century after all and we should be moving into it. IMO.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:19 PM

Star Member Warpy (105,744 posts)

16. It once did serve a purpose, which is why it should be suspended indefinitely

until all the criminals and zealots who abused it are dead and have not been replaced by new ones.

It offered last ditch protection for a minority party. When and if it is brought back, it should be with the proviso that threatening it is simply not enough. Anyone who is desperate enough to use it needs to get up and start talking.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:25 PM

Star Member chowder66 (7,739 posts)

19. I'm not outraged. She has a right to her opinion especially since it isn't even up for a vote

at this time. I'm pretty confident she could be convinced if the case is strong for reform. She may have other ideas and she can air them out with her fellow congressional colleagues.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:29 PM

liskddksil (2,753 posts)

20. Time to go Diane. The next generation is ready and willing to actually lead. Nt

 

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:00 AM

Star Member regnaD kciN (25,562 posts)

22. With all due respect, this is exactly why we're in the position we are...

Republicans will happily jettison principle in exchange for power, while too many of ours will always refuse power in order to stand on the most trivial of principles.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:58 AM

Liberty Belle (9,330 posts)

27. I wish we still had the ability to filibuster to stop a Supreme Court nominee

but unfortunately Republicans took that away a few years ago to ram through Neil Gorsuch.

If it could used to block votes like his or worse, the handmaiden idiot Trump wants to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg with, then I would be all for that.

It has predominently been used to block progressive legislation such as Civil Rights, though Huey Long did use it in 1930 to block legislation he felt favored the rich over the poor.

Interestingly there was once a filibuster in the House too, but that was eliminated long ago since there were too many members with more and more states in the union and it quickly became cumbersome.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:39 AM

delisen (5,773 posts)

33. We took away filibuster for other judges and nominees in 2013 and then we lost the Senate....

Lots of people have opinions-unfortunately many of the opinions are not informed.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:15 AM

standingtall (2,740 posts)

28. Hello earth calling Feinstein

Democrats haven't passed one significant initiative in over 10 years not counting emergency relief funds and things of that natute, but the last time Democrats passed any significant legislation was the ACA which is now on the chopping block.

Why because republicans abused the filibuster and stacked the courts. If Democrats don't repeal the legislative filibuster if Biden wins. Here is what's going to happen. They will lose the house in 2022. They will lose the Senate in 2024 if not before. Biden will be a one term President who got no significant legislation passed and lose in a landslide. Then when there is republican President in 2024 things will be even worse then than they are now.

If you believe in core Democrat values then you do what you have to do to defend them. Senate tradition is not more important than the will of your voters.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:50 AM

delisen (5,773 posts)

36. We took away filibuster for other judges and nominees in 2013 and then we lost the Senate....

Between 2009 and and 2016 we lost over 1000 Democratic seats around the country and also lost the power of reapportionment in many states.

When Democrats win this election cycle I am counting on us to continue building the party as we needed to after the passage of the ACA, especially since more Democrats-as least those of us willing to read history-now understand that all races matter, and that the down ballot races are just as important as the top of the ticket.

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Response to delisen (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 09:05 AM

Star Member Demsrule86 (65,350 posts)

46. We are likely to lose the ACA in December with a 6-3 court ...and no hope of passing any

healthcare plan without getting rid of the filibuster...it must go.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 05:52 AM

oldsoftie (10,261 posts)

37. Biden already pretty much said he'd be a one term president. I'm not worried about re-election.

He'd be 82.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 07:24 AM

Statistical (19,264 posts)

41. Regardless with no agenda passed it wouldn't be Biden replaced by another Democrat it would

be Biden replaced by a Republican for 4-8 years.

There is nothing on Biden's agenda that can get 60 votes in the Senate. Absolutely nothing. We have seen how Mitch plays. Zero Republicans will vote in favor of anything Biden is for. Then they will campaign on the "do nothing" Democrats and retake the Senate and possibly the House.

If the people give the Democrats an overwhelming mandate they have to actually use that power or the people will take it back.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 09:04 AM

Star Member Demsrule86 (65,350 posts)

45. We won't have four years...if we don't send help, we will be out in two years by losing the house an

maybe the senate. And we will lose the presidency in four years no matter who runs....so the filibuster must go. We are in desperate straits.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 09:09 AM

Star Member Demsrule86 (65,350 posts)

47. I agree. However, it can't be overstated how important the first mid -term election is...we lost

in 10 and that stopped all legislation. At that point, even if we had abolished the filibuster, it would have done no good...and when we lost the Senate in 14 we lost a judge which is huge...we would have a 5/4 majority even after Trump's shitty pick had we held the Senate. and would have had a majority through most of Trump's tenure had we held the Senate...voting is so important.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:19 AM

Star Member C Moon (11,215 posts)

29. We have A HUGE OTHER PROBLEM FACING US. Don't pick on loyal Democratic Party candidates now.

Stay focused!
Our country and its constitution is on the chopping block. No fucking joke.
Don't help bring anti Democratic Party candidates news to the forefront.
Again, stay focused on Trump, Barr, McConnell, Putin. Please.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:30 AM

Star Member Hekate (81,679 posts)

30. Thank you. It's like a squirrel running past a dog...

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 07:15 AM

durablend (7,107 posts)

40. We're still wielding sporks to a gunfight I see...

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 08:44 AM

getagrip_already (10,168 posts)

42. she is not a lock in for chairman... nobody is...

It will largely be up to schumer if he is the majority leader. Sure, seniority has a bearing, but it isn't an absolute.

Being a chairman is a privilege you acquire at the pleasure of leadership. Not an inheritance.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 08:51 AM

Star Member turbinetree (23,797 posts)

43. Really............................

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 09:02 AM

Star Member Demsrule86 (65,350 posts)

44. So replace her...filibuster must go. Or like 2009, we won't be able to help the people and will be

out in two years.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 09:49 AM

HariSeldon (340 posts)

48. I suppose there might be ways for Dems to play hard ball

without removing the filibuster. Say, passing a reconciliation bill that makes Republican constituencies scream for anything to make the pain go away.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020, 10:26 AM

Star Member Omaha Steve (91,793 posts)

49. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

Raw story is not a news source. Analysis of reaction and her opinion.

Statement of Purpose
Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

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