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Omaha Steve

(99,506 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:45 PM Jan 2012

Paterno speaks for 1st time since Penn State firing ("didn't know which way to go")


http://www.omaha.com/article/20120114/SPORTS/701149867/1001#paterno-speaks-for-1st-time-since-penn-state-firing

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno says he "didn't know which way to go" after an assistant coach came to him in 2002 saying he had seen retired defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abusing a boy.

In his first public comments since being fired two months ago, Paterno told The Washington Post that assistant Mike McQueary "didn't want to get specific" about details in his 2002 allegation involving Sandusky, who he claimed was showering with a boy in the Penn State football facility.

The Post reported Saturday that Paterno was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he didn't want to be seen as trying to exert influence either for or against Sandusky.

"I didn't know which way to go ... And rather than get in there and make a mistake," he told the Post before trailing off.
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Paterno speaks for 1st time since Penn State firing ("didn't know which way to go") (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2012 OP
"didn't know which way to go"?!?! PavePusher Jan 2012 #1
+1 Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #4
Precisely. It seems failry simple--dial 911. Critters2 Jan 2012 #5
Plus one billion. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #22
Yeah, the police. Like they gave a sh!*. sir pball Jan 2012 #24
For a coach of one of the toughest sports around, a COWARD. alp227 Jan 2012 #2
So difficult! Protect a pedo or call the police! What a choice. Disgusting. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #3
When in doubt do the decent thing. emilyg Jan 2012 #6
College and high school football is up there with to the Catholic church if you are a pedophile. Monk06 Jan 2012 #7
You either enable pedophiles or you don't... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #8
How about straight to the police? Seems pretty straightforward to me...! nt MADem Jan 2012 #9
Wow, Paterno's worse than I thought... SunSeeker Jan 2012 #10
He should probably shut up now BanzaiBonnie Jan 2012 #48
He didn't care about a poor kid. That's what it comes down to RainDog Jan 2012 #11
No way is he going to be able to cleanse himself... hang a left Jan 2012 #12
AMEN, the NCAA needs to impose the Death Penalty. eom greyghost Jan 2012 #13
You are a riot hang a left Jan 2012 #14
Furthermore... hang a left Jan 2012 #15
I think it's referencing the NCAA's ability to ban a school from all competition for at least a year AngryOldDem Jan 2012 #27
Penn State is in clear violation of the ethnics rules in the NCAA greyghost Jan 2012 #38
That would be huge. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #39
An NCAA investigation into a school violations generally take a few greyghost Jan 2012 #40
what a weak person Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #16
Hey Paterno, What About The Boy? DallasNE Jan 2012 #17
Right on. johnlal Jan 2012 #45
So True DallasNE Jan 2012 #49
Boyfucking is always a winner. DCKit Jan 2012 #18
What a fucking loser - you go to the cops. In fact, with your clout you could have made sure BR_Parkway Jan 2012 #19
Precisely. tabasco Jan 2012 #23
At the very least he could have said....... Bonhomme Richard Jan 2012 #20
As te Parent of a Sexually Abused Young Child (Boy) steel4ever Jan 2012 #21
I'm so sorry for what your child and your family went through renate Jan 2012 #33
what a disgusting person fascisthunter Jan 2012 #25
That's kind of what I figured. AngryOldDem Jan 2012 #26
Bull shit it never happened. It was just never acknowledged because Marnie Jan 2012 #29
Within his frame of reference, and within a lot of his contemporaries' frames of reference... AngryOldDem Jan 2012 #37
It was happening all the time. No one was talking, certainly not threatened and LuckyLib Jan 2012 #36
"this kind of thing" has ALWAYS happenened Skittles Jan 2012 #47
Dear Joe. It ain't hard. You, as a presumptive adult, Marnie Jan 2012 #28
"And rather than get in there and make a mistake" beac Jan 2012 #30
Obscene. It's amazing to me that anyone could 'get confused' over 'which way to go...there.' BlueIris Jan 2012 #31
"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, City Lights Jan 2012 #32
What a lame cop out! nt ladjf Jan 2012 #34
When these men open their mouths, roody Jan 2012 #35
True that! eom greyghost Jan 2012 #42
"I couldn't decide which was more importatant - my football program or kids getting raped" progressoid Jan 2012 #41
Sounds like he's admitting to abetting Doctor_J Jan 2012 #43
How lame. dballance Jan 2012 #44
I think he is disgusting Skittles Jan 2012 #46

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
22. Plus one billion.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:03 AM
Jan 2012

That phrase, right there, is why Paterno should be in jail. Anyone with a brain knows you go to the police. And anyone in a position of authority is morally and in most cases, legally obligated to go to the police.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
24. Yeah, the police. Like they gave a sh!*.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jan 2012

The University/State Police and Centre County DA knew about Sandusky in 1998 and did nothing. Why would they have done anything later?

I'm not trying to whitewash JoePa; I kind of suspect he did know the police wouldn't have done a damn thing but that doesn't excuse failing to do SOMETHING - go directly to the DPW, call the Feds, hell, hold an independent press conference with the victims speaking, anything to get the word out. The only point I'm trying to make is that it's easy to soley crucify him, the most public figure in the case, but the failings coverups go all the way to Harrisburg.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
2. For a coach of one of the toughest sports around, a COWARD.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:10 AM
Jan 2012

He deserves to get an extremely loud rebuke in a civil suit like he threw an interception in the end zone and lost a game.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
8. You either enable pedophiles or you don't...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:10 AM
Jan 2012

Please, Mr. Paterno--let's not cloud the issue and get mired down in your excuses and
rationalizations.

It's really quite simple.

You either enable pedophiles. Or you don't.

And you did. Now you carry all of the stigma, shame and baggage that comes with making
such a disgusting and obviously sickening decision.

SunSeeker

(51,523 posts)
10. Wow, Paterno's worse than I thought...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:58 AM
Jan 2012

I figured he'd come up with some sort of convoluted excuse about how he thought he was reporting it to the police when he notified campus security, blah blah blah. Nope, he just comes right out and says his concern was that he didn't want to be seen as against Sandusky.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
11. He didn't care about a poor kid. That's what it comes down to
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 02:10 AM
Jan 2012

It was too much bother and might make his fucking football program look bad.

That's what he cannot admit to himself.

 

hang a left

(10,921 posts)
12. No way is he going to be able to cleanse himself...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 02:35 AM
Jan 2012

No friggin way. 03 wasn't the first time he heard of these accusations. There was a conspiracy to protect Penn State's name. It is completely unacceptable tHat Paterno or any of the other highly placed individuals to claim ignorance. Not just the big wheels at the school, but highly placed individuals at the Second Mile, and cops, investigators, DAs and Judges. They will never, ever rid themselves of the stench of propagating ritual child abuse.
May they all burn in hell!

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
27. I think it's referencing the NCAA's ability to ban a school from all competition for at least a year
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:35 PM
Jan 2012

And the more I think about it, that isn't a bad idea.

I don't know what other kind of penalty the Big Ten could exact -- like expelling PSU from the conference -- but that should be looked into as well, IMO.

greyghost

(1,675 posts)
38. Penn State is in clear violation of the ethnics rules in the NCAA
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jan 2012

bylaws. The NCAA has the power to suspend Penn State indefinitely from competition, and there is a VERY GOOD chance they will. They call that the Death Penalty BTW.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
39. That would be huge.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jan 2012

I wasn't aware that this was underway. It will kill their rebuilding efforts, but the players can always transfer to other schools.

This would send one hella message about priorities. Glad to hear it.

greyghost

(1,675 posts)
40. An NCAA investigation into a school violations generally take a few
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jan 2012

months to come to a conclusion. The Penn State investigation is well underway. Penn State is not going to escape NCAA sanctions.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
17. Hey Paterno, What About The Boy?
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 04:05 AM
Jan 2012

You're still not thinking about the boy so you still don't know which way to go Paterno. Instead, you were just thinking about yourself and the Penn State football program. Why didn't your father instincts cause you to focus on the boy and how to best protect him. Obviously it was the next day when you found out so calling 911 was a little late. Since you weren't a witness you just needed to instruct McQueary to go to the police and tell them everything you saw and then report back following that meeting and let events play out.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
49. So True
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jan 2012

And especially when it is so clear cut as this because there is no grey area here at all. None.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
18. Boyfucking is always a winner.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 04:08 AM
Jan 2012

An institution as large as Penn State doesn't have to proffer an apology. It's just assumed.

BR_Parkway

(8,666 posts)
19. What a fucking loser - you go to the cops. In fact, with your clout you could have made sure
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 06:07 AM
Jan 2012

that something was done to protect the kids more than anyone else on that campus.

And you chose to turn a blind eye to protect your precious legacy and sport. That now lays on the ground in tatters around you, covered in the sewage you chose.

steel4ever

(7 posts)
21. As te Parent of a Sexually Abused Young Child (Boy)
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 09:39 AM
Jan 2012

Many elderly "normal" men have a rough time conceiving of this type of abuse. The idea so disgusts them, they immediately go into complete denial rather than deal with it. (Which is why Sandusky's mild disclaimer, when interviewed, is so suspect. The falsely accused would never give a mild response.) Not that Paterno should be excused. If any good comes from this, it has exposed the issue to a Middle America who really doesn't want to know about it.

renate

(13,776 posts)
33. I'm so sorry for what your child and your family went through
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jan 2012

And I'm amazed and impressed that you can be more understanding of what may have been going through Paterno's mind than many of those of us who haven't had an experience like that.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
26. That's kind of what I figured.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jan 2012

He is of such an age and from such a time where this kind of thing just never happened, so to that end his confusion about what to do is easy to imagine.

I am totally convinced that, in his mind, all he felt that he needed to do was inform his superiors. But it was most definitely his responsibility to follow up with those superiors to see that something was being done, especially in his position as head coach. There, I don't agree with Paterno's idea that he would be trying to "exert influence" in the matter.

Just a confused (and now sick) old man.





 

Marnie

(844 posts)
29. Bull shit it never happened. It was just never acknowledged because
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jan 2012

women and children had not legal rights.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
37. Within his frame of reference, and within a lot of his contemporaries' frames of reference...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jan 2012

...I truly don't think they can comprehend something as heinous as this. Of course I'm not saying sexual abuse of women or minors never happened. But to him, I think it was so incomprehensible that he did the only thing he knew to do: Tell his superiors and trust that they would take care of it. They didn't; he obviously did not follow up, so he shares in some of the blame here.

My mother, for instance, was just a few years older than Paterno, and she could never seem to get her head around certain realities that did not mesh with her perceptions of that reality. No matter how long or how hard people tried to get her to see how things were.

So, no, I am neither excusing nor defending Paterno. I'm just not surprised that this is the explanation he is giving.



LuckyLib

(6,817 posts)
36. It was happening all the time. No one was talking, certainly not threatened and
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jan 2012

abused children. Or in many cases their mothers.

 

Marnie

(844 posts)
28. Dear Joe. It ain't hard. You, as a presumptive adult,
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jan 2012

protect the child by what ever means available.

It the cops or child welfare of the child's parents don't come to mind how about a dull straight edged razor. You are or were in the business of violence, mano a mano, that image should have come easily to you.

beac

(9,992 posts)
30. "And rather than get in there and make a mistake"
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jan 2012

Unreal that, even now, he can't admit he made a HUGE mistake. A mistake he's only recently started to pay for but for which a number of innocent children having being paying for years.

"JoePa" gets no sympathy from me. The price he's paid is miniscule in comparison to the suffering he enabled and he has no one to blame but himself.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
31. Obscene. It's amazing to me that anyone could 'get confused' over 'which way to go...there.'
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jan 2012

Enabler. Insane.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
32. "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who,
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:50 PM
Jan 2012

in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."

Coward.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
43. Sounds like he's admitting to abetting
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jan 2012

ouch. An entire lifetime of character and admiration flushed away

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
44. How lame.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jan 2012

When a coach sees another coach fucking a boy there is really no question of which way to go. Go to the police. It's pretty simple. To do anything else is negligent and abhorrent. How dare you make excuses Paterno. You should be so ashamed.

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
46. I think he is disgusting
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jan 2012

it is obvious he was more worried about Penn and its sports elite than the welfare of children

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