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srose58089

(214 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:24 PM Nov 2020

Karl Rove tells Trump to give up -- he's never going to overturn the election

Source: Raw Story

On Wednesday, writing for The Wall Street Journal, Republican mega-strategist Karl Rove laid down the truth for President Donald Trump — he cannot overturn the results of the election, and he should honor democracy and American tradition by handing the reins of power to President-elect Joe Biden.

“Mr. Trump is now pursuing legal challenges in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Nevada, and there will be an automatic recount in Georgia, given Mr. Biden’s 0.29-point lead there,” wrote Rove. “Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is correct that Mr. Trump is “100% within his rights” to go to court over concerns about fraud and transparency. But the president’s efforts are unlikely to move a single state from Mr. Biden’s column, and certainly they’re not enough to change the final outcome.”

“There are only three statewide contests in the past half-century in which recounts changed the outcome: the 1974 New Hampshire Senate race, the 2004 Washington governor’s contest, and the 2008 Minnesota Senate election,” wrote Rove. “The candidates in these races were separated, respectively, by 355, 261 and 215 votes after Election Day. These margins aren’t much like today’s. Mr. Biden led Wednesday in Wisconsin by 20,540 votes, Pennsylvania by 49,064, Michigan by 146,123, Arizona by 12,614, Nevada by 36,870 and Georgia by 14,108.”

Given that Trump faces an insurmountable defeat, Rove continued, he should work to heal the country and accept the transition of power.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/karl-rove-tells-trump-to-give-up-hes-never-going-to-overturn-the-election/



If Karl "Bush's Brain" Rove says the election is over then it is over.
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Karl Rove tells Trump to give up -- he's never going to overturn the election (Original Post) srose58089 Nov 2020 OP
"You lost, GET OVER IT!" lolololol Baclava Nov 2020 #1
Agreed no one knows more about shifty rigging than turd blossom himself. fearnobush Nov 2020 #2
and nobody is better qualified to say when shifty rigging has failed DBoon Nov 2020 #14
Ha! not fooled Nov 2020 #24
I remember him. Is he out of jail now? electric_blue68 Nov 2020 #35
I don't think he ever went to jail. cannabis_flower Nov 2020 #40
Oh, rove made sure he went not fooled Nov 2020 #45
My mistake cannabis_flower Nov 2020 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author cannabis_flower Nov 2020 #46
🤔 I wonder if I'm confusing him w someone else? electric_blue68 Nov 2020 #53
Rove is the election theft king. He should know when the thievery is over. BComplex Nov 2020 #51
Dr. Frankenstein this Miguelito Loveless Nov 2020 #3
Rove knows you steal elections while they are voting, not after. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #4
He probably sees that the money Trump is collecting for himself DLCWIdem Nov 2020 #5
Good point. Otherwise would have been the first decent thing Rove ever did. Couldn't picture that. mpcamb Nov 2020 #38
This is big Johnny2X2X Nov 2020 #6
Johnny2X2X Upthevibe Nov 2020 #33
seriously, right obamanut2012 Nov 2020 #41
The trump bunch have the ability to wave a magic wand an Voila!.. dubyadiprecession Nov 2020 #7
I helped on the 2004 Governors race recount in WA gopiscrap Nov 2020 #8
Trump knows he's lost. He just wants to keep getting attention. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #9
If Rove thought it could be stolen, he'd be all over it William Seger Nov 2020 #10
I can't wait to see the names Trump Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #11
Ugh-- I haven't heard that despicable name in ages ailsagirl Nov 2020 #12
The White House is surrounded by a wall as if to prepare for a siege bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #13
Yeah, kinda' makes you wonder. groundloop Nov 2020 #22
How can he argue with Ham Rove? 2naSalit Nov 2020 #15
"Karl "Bush's Brain" Rove " BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #16
So... JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #17
Has anyone seen a weather report from Hell recently? Because it appears to be freezing over. flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #18
Great, now Trump has me in a position where I'm agreeing with Turdblossom. dflprincess Nov 2020 #19
Hell has frozen over..... I agree with Rove on something. groundloop Nov 2020 #20
If I recall correctly it was Kushner who was turning to turd blossom for advice this summer. herding cats Nov 2020 #21
Even a Turd Blossom BlueIdaho Nov 2020 #23
I think DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #25
Washed-up mega strategist and nut job is better description of Rove. Pepsidog Nov 2020 #26
No, I dont agree that "Mr. Trump is 100% within his rights to go to court" Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #27
I Wish You Were Right ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #37
That's not going to bode well for donations to Trump's efforts. C Moon Nov 2020 #28
But You Don't Understand, Karl - Trump Gotta Win to Stay Out of Prison panfluteman Nov 2020 #29
Oh trump is FUMING!!!! Cha Nov 2020 #30
"Turd Blossom" needs to say that on Fox & Friends or Hannity. Trump doesn't read the WSJ. nt Hekate Nov 2020 #31
'Cause Ole Turdblossom, He Don't Lie. Nope' lindysalsagal Nov 2020 #32
Is it freezing in Hell? MarianJack Nov 2020 #34
When it comes to overturning election results to your own advantage, Rove wrote the handbook DFW Nov 2020 #36
Rove is the mastermind behind Republican success. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #39
Trump beat Hillary by 44,000 votes in PA HockeyMom Nov 2020 #42
The World and most of Trump voters have already moved on Roc2020 Nov 2020 #43
They're both pricks, but Rove is much smarter than Trump William Seger Nov 2020 #47
It's getting chilly here in Hell... malthaussen Nov 2020 #44
Nah, he'll use that or anything else if he thinks it's to the GOP's advantage William Seger Nov 2020 #49
Its over! BlueWavePsych Nov 2020 #50
KICK! Cha Nov 2020 #52

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
24. Ha!
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:07 AM
Nov 2020

Great point.

And...he should have been in jail. Instead of Don Siegelman, rove's political prisoner.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
40. I don't think he ever went to jail.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:57 AM
Nov 2020

At least not for any length of time. I googled it and saw he was arrested for failure to testify before Congress but I don't think he ever went to jail for it.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
45. Oh, rove made sure he went
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:37 PM
Nov 2020

Siegelman was on kkk's radar as a legitimate candidate for national office, even president, so he set out to take him down:

Siegelman is the only person in Alabama's history to be elected to serve in all four of the top statewide elected offices: Secretary of State, Attorney General, Lieutenant Governor and Governor. He served in Alabama politics for 26 years.[1]

In 2006 Siegelman was convicted on federal felony corruption charges and sentenced to seven years in federal prison.[1][2] Following the trial, however, many questions were raised by both Democrats and Republicans, about allegations of prosecutorial misconduct in his case.[3][4][5]
...

In October 2015, more than 100 former attorneys general and officials, both Democratic and Republican, contended that his prosecution was marred by prosecutorial misconduct; they have petitioned the United States Supreme Court to review the case.[6] Siegelman was released from prison on February 8, 2017, and was on supervised probation until it ended in June 2019.[


[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Siegelman|]

Karl Rove connection

There were allegations that Siegelman's prosecution was politically motivated. Purportedly Bush-appointed officials at the Justice Department had pressed for the prosecution, as did Leura Canary, a U.S. Attorney in Montgomery, Alabama. Her husband was Alabama's top Republican operative and he had for years worked closely with Karl Rove, part of the George W. Bush White House staff. The federal court approved the release of Siegelman on bail.[38]

In June 2006, a Republican lawyer, Dana Jill Simpson of Rainsville, Alabama, signed an affidavit, claiming that, five years earlier, she had heard that Rove was preparing to neutralize Siegelman politically with an investigation headed by the U.S. Department of Justice.[39]

Simpson later told The Birmingham News that her affidavit's wording could be interpreted in two ways. She said she had written her affidavit herself. But, in testimony before a Congressional committee on this case, she said that she had help on it from a Siegelman supporter.[40]

According to Simpson's statement, she was on a Republican campaign conference call in 2002 when she heard Bill Canary tell other campaign workers not to worry about Siegelman. He said that Canary's "girls" and "Karl" would make sure the Justice Department pursued the Democrat so he was not a political threat in the future.[39]

Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #40)

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
51. Rove is the election theft king. He should know when the thievery is over.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:51 PM
Nov 2020

Take him at his word this time.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
5. He probably sees that the money Trump is collecting for himself
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:31 PM
Nov 2020

Is money that could go to the GA runoffs. Rove did say he had the job of fundraising for those 2 seats. It makes sense the more money Trump collects for his so called "legal" defense (his own pockets) the less there is for those 2 seats.

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
38. Good point. Otherwise would have been the first decent thing Rove ever did. Couldn't picture that.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:16 AM
Nov 2020

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
6. This is big
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:31 PM
Nov 2020

Turdblossom has the ear of a lot of Republicans still. This call to concede is going to spread.

9. Trump knows he's lost. He just wants to keep getting attention.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:57 PM
Nov 2020

He also wants to keep serving the needs of his master, Putin, whose goal is and has always been to destroy the fabric of the United States.

Now the Russians are mulling how to "milk him like a cow" before Trump leaves office.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
11. I can't wait to see the names Trump
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 11:04 PM
Nov 2020

calls Rove on Twitter. It's going to be fun to watch for the next few weeks. It's not so much that the rats are leaving the sinking ship, they are eating each other.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
22. Yeah, kinda' makes you wonder.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:01 AM
Nov 2020

One part of me says tRump is doing all this bullshit so he can keep fleecing his cult with his phony 'election legal fund', but then I have to wonder about all the Pentagon firings AND THAT WALL.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
19. Great, now Trump has me in a position where I'm agreeing with Turdblossom.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 11:58 PM
Nov 2020

Sometimes I hate him most for this kind of situation.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
21. If I recall correctly it was Kushner who was turning to turd blossom for advice this summer.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:00 AM
Nov 2020

It was back when the polls we're turning and it was clear Trump wasn't coasting in on his incumbent coattails as they'd assumed.

He could have given turd blossom a nudge here.

DENVERPOPS

(8,814 posts)
25. I think
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:16 AM
Nov 2020

the Repubs think if all this shit continues, people are gonna start also looking into the State Senator elections for corruption.
People are starting to notice uber strange things in Kentucky's Senate Votes.......The Dems should go for the throat on this immediately, as well as Grahm and Collins also. Trump, the Repubs can do without, but without the Repub Controlled Senate, they are totally screwed and they know it!!!!!!

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
27. No, I dont agree that "Mr. Trump is 100% within his rights to go to court"
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:35 AM
Nov 2020

These are not geniune concerns. Nobody has the right to file numerous frivolous law suits obviously meant only to disrupt, delay, and throw doubt on the process for the ultimate goal of either overturning the election, or if that doesnt pan out then to create as much chaos and damage as possible. Why? Because a) Mr. Trump's personality disorder compells him to create chaos and discord, and b) the ultimate goal of undermining democracy and democratic processes is one that the mainstream Repub party is wholeheartedly on board with. They really have no need for pesky citizens who with all their insatiable demands for things like clean air and liveable wage.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
37. I Wish You Were Right
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:09 AM
Nov 2020

But, anybody DOES have the right to sue over anything, even if frivolous.
That's why judges screen them for merit, and as in these ridiculous suits, toss them out summarily.
I agree it's inherently wrong, but alas, it's totally legal & within his rights.
I wish there were enforceable penalties against frivolous lawsuits, but there's is woeful evidence that such sanctions exist!

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
29. But You Don't Understand, Karl - Trump Gotta Win to Stay Out of Prison
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:51 AM
Nov 2020

And to continue looting the US treasury to get the money to pay off his HUGE debts!

DFW

(54,367 posts)
36. When it comes to overturning election results to your own advantage, Rove wrote the handbook
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 05:21 AM
Nov 2020

Rove knows better than ANYONE how this is done. Florida 2000, Ohio 2004. He is the wisest and most successful guru on the subject.

If Karl Rove says give up, then Trump should give up. He has a better chance of surviving if he jumps out of a Cessna at 7000 feet, hoping to sprout wings before he hits the ground.

Lonestarblue

(9,980 posts)
39. Rove is the mastermind behind Republican success.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:28 AM
Nov 2020

We need our own version of Rove’s REDMAP. With that plan, he got big donors behind the Party and they took over far too many state legislatures and governorships.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
42. Trump beat Hillary by 44,000 votes in PA
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:03 AM
Nov 2020

Now he is LOSING in PA by 49,000 votes. Why didn't she challenge? 2000 election was heard by SC court based on ONE STATE Florida.

So Trump wants to challenge FIVE States with his stacked SC court? I would hope these judges know basic MATH.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
47. They're both pricks, but Rove is much smarter than Trump
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:44 PM
Nov 2020

He's just recommending that Trump not make the humiliation worse, but Trump is really not in control of his own behavior.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
44. It's getting chilly here in Hell...
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 11:51 AM
Nov 2020

... if Karl Rove is calling for the GOP to "honor democracy."

-- Mal

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
49. Nah, he'll use that or anything else if he thinks it's to the GOP's advantage
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:53 PM
Nov 2020

... or ignore or deny those same "principles" when that's more convenient. In this case, I think Rove is just trying to get Trump out of the way to make it easier for the GOP to rebrand itself as if Trump never happened. Problem is, Trump's cult won't stand for that.

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