Karl Rove tells Trump to give up -- he's never going to overturn the election
Source: Raw Story
On Wednesday, writing for The Wall Street Journal, Republican mega-strategist Karl Rove laid down the truth for President Donald Trump he cannot overturn the results of the election, and he should honor democracy and American tradition by handing the reins of power to President-elect Joe Biden.
Mr. Trump is now pursuing legal challenges in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Nevada, and there will be an automatic recount in Georgia, given Mr. Bidens 0.29-point lead there, wrote Rove. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is correct that Mr. Trump is 100% within his rights to go to court over concerns about fraud and transparency. But the presidents efforts are unlikely to move a single state from Mr. Bidens column, and certainly theyre not enough to change the final outcome.
There are only three statewide contests in the past half-century in which recounts changed the outcome: the 1974 New Hampshire Senate race, the 2004 Washington governors contest, and the 2008 Minnesota Senate election, wrote Rove. The candidates in these races were separated, respectively, by 355, 261 and 215 votes after Election Day. These margins arent much like todays. Mr. Biden led Wednesday in Wisconsin by 20,540 votes, Pennsylvania by 49,064, Michigan by 146,123, Arizona by 12,614, Nevada by 36,870 and Georgia by 14,108.
Given that Trump faces an insurmountable defeat, Rove continued, he should work to heal the country and accept the transition of power.
Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/karl-rove-tells-trump-to-give-up-hes-never-going-to-overturn-the-election/
If Karl "Bush's Brain" Rove says the election is over then it is over.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)fearnobush
(3,960 posts)DBoon
(22,363 posts)Great point.
And...he should have been in jail. Instead of Don Siegelman, rove's political prisoner.
electric_blue68
(14,888 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)At least not for any length of time. I googled it and saw he was arrested for failure to testify before Congress but I don't think he ever went to jail for it.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)Siegelman was on kkk's radar as a legitimate candidate for national office, even president, so he set out to take him down:
In 2006 Siegelman was convicted on federal felony corruption charges and sentenced to seven years in federal prison.[1][2] Following the trial, however, many questions were raised by both Democrats and Republicans, about allegations of prosecutorial misconduct in his case.[3][4][5]
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In October 2015, more than 100 former attorneys general and officials, both Democratic and Republican, contended that his prosecution was marred by prosecutorial misconduct; they have petitioned the United States Supreme Court to review the case.[6] Siegelman was released from prison on February 8, 2017, and was on supervised probation until it ended in June 2019.[
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Siegelman|]
There were allegations that Siegelman's prosecution was politically motivated. Purportedly Bush-appointed officials at the Justice Department had pressed for the prosecution, as did Leura Canary, a U.S. Attorney in Montgomery, Alabama. Her husband was Alabama's top Republican operative and he had for years worked closely with Karl Rove, part of the George W. Bush White House staff. The federal court approved the release of Siegelman on bail.[38]
In June 2006, a Republican lawyer, Dana Jill Simpson of Rainsville, Alabama, signed an affidavit, claiming that, five years earlier, she had heard that Rove was preparing to neutralize Siegelman politically with an investigation headed by the U.S. Department of Justice.[39]
Simpson later told The Birmingham News that her affidavit's wording could be interpreted in two ways. She said she had written her affidavit herself. But, in testimony before a Congressional committee on this case, she said that she had help on it from a Siegelman supporter.[40]
According to Simpson's statement, she was on a Republican campaign conference call in 2002 when she heard Bill Canary tell other campaign workers not to worry about Siegelman. He said that Canary's "girls" and "Karl" would make sure the Justice Department pursued the Democrat so he was not a political threat in the future.[39]
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)I thought someone was asking if Rove was out of jail.
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electric_blue68
(14,888 posts)ADDEMDUM: oh, just saw post #45! It was him!
BComplex
(8,049 posts)Take him at his word this time.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)is your Monster. Monster this is your creator.
Any questions?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Is money that could go to the GA runoffs. Rove did say he had the job of fundraising for those 2 seats. It makes sense the more money Trump collects for his so called "legal" defense (his own pockets) the less there is for those 2 seats.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)Turdblossom has the ear of a lot of Republicans still. This call to concede is going to spread.
Upthevibe
(8,041 posts)I agree. I NEVER thought I'd be comforted by anything that KKKarl would say but I am...
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,707 posts)... Rove becomes a RINO!
gopiscrap
(23,757 posts)Rossi was ahead, Dem. Gregoire won it!!!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,583 posts)He also wants to keep serving the needs of his master, Putin, whose goal is and has always been to destroy the fabric of the United States.
Now the Russians are mulling how to "milk him like a cow" before Trump leaves office.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)calls Rove on Twitter. It's going to be fun to watch for the next few weeks. It's not so much that the rats are leaving the sinking ship, they are eating each other.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)But the bad memories still linger
bucolic_frolic
(43,142 posts)groundloop
(11,518 posts)One part of me says tRump is doing all this bullshit so he can keep fleecing his cult with his phony 'election legal fund', but then I have to wonder about all the Pentagon firings AND THAT WALL.
2naSalit
(86,572 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,898 posts)That's "Turd Blossom".
Or as posted above me -
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)...who cares what "turd blossom" says?
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)dflprincess
(28,075 posts)Sometimes I hate him most for this kind of situation.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)It was back when the polls we're turning and it was clear Trump wasn't coasting in on his incumbent coattails as they'd assumed.
He could have given turd blossom a nudge here.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)finds the truth now and then.
DENVERPOPS
(8,814 posts)the Repubs think if all this shit continues, people are gonna start also looking into the State Senator elections for corruption.
People are starting to notice uber strange things in Kentucky's Senate Votes.......The Dems should go for the throat on this immediately, as well as Grahm and Collins also. Trump, the Repubs can do without, but without the Repub Controlled Senate, they are totally screwed and they know it!!!!!!
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)These are not geniune concerns. Nobody has the right to file numerous frivolous law suits obviously meant only to disrupt, delay, and throw doubt on the process for the ultimate goal of either overturning the election, or if that doesnt pan out then to create as much chaos and damage as possible. Why? Because a) Mr. Trump's personality disorder compells him to create chaos and discord, and b) the ultimate goal of undermining democracy and democratic processes is one that the mainstream Repub party is wholeheartedly on board with. They really have no need for pesky citizens who with all their insatiable demands for things like clean air and liveable wage.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)But, anybody DOES have the right to sue over anything, even if frivolous.
That's why judges screen them for merit, and as in these ridiculous suits, toss them out summarily.
I agree it's inherently wrong, but alas, it's totally legal & within his rights.
I wish there were enforceable penalties against frivolous lawsuits, but there's is woeful evidence that such sanctions exist!
C Moon
(12,212 posts)panfluteman
(2,065 posts)And to continue looting the US treasury to get the money to pay off his HUGE debts!
Cha
(297,171 posts)Hekate
(90,660 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,679 posts)MarianJack
(10,237 posts)I just agreed with KKKarl Rove...YIKES!
PEACE
DFW
(54,367 posts)Rove knows better than ANYONE how this is done. Florida 2000, Ohio 2004. He is the wisest and most successful guru on the subject.
If Karl Rove says give up, then Trump should give up. He has a better chance of surviving if he jumps out of a Cessna at 7000 feet, hoping to sprout wings before he hits the ground.
Lonestarblue
(9,980 posts)We need our own version of Roves REDMAP. With that plan, he got big donors behind the Party and they took over far too many state legislatures and governorships.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Now he is LOSING in PA by 49,000 votes. Why didn't she challenge? 2000 election was heard by SC court based on ONE STATE Florida.
So Trump wants to challenge FIVE States with his stacked SC court? I would hope these judges know basic MATH.
Roc2020
(1,615 posts)Rove is simply stating the obvious.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)He's just recommending that Trump not make the humiliation worse, but Trump is really not in control of his own behavior.
malthaussen
(17,193 posts)... if Karl Rove is calling for the GOP to "honor democracy."
-- Mal
William Seger
(10,778 posts)... or ignore or deny those same "principles" when that's more convenient. In this case, I think Rove is just trying to get Trump out of the way to make it easier for the GOP to rebrand itself as if Trump never happened. Problem is, Trump's cult won't stand for that.