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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:24 PM Dec 2020

Trump issues 26 new pardons, including ones for Stone, Manafort and Charles Kushner

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Wednesday evening announced 26 new pardons, including ones for longtime ally Roger Stone, former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and White House senior adviser Jared Kushner's father, Charles.

The pardons of Manafort and Stone reward two of the most high-profile and widely condemned former advisers of the President, both of whom were indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller, went to trial and were convicted by juries of multiple crimes.

Manafort, who is serving home confinement, initially agreed to cooperate with Mueller then lied to prosecutors, while Stone never cooperated after lying to Congress to protect the President. Manafort spent close to two years in prison for bank and tax fraud, illegal foreign lobbying and witness tampering conspiracies before being released because of the Covid-19 pandemic, while Stone's sentence for obstruction of Congress and threatening a witness was commuted by Trump earlier this year days before he was set to surrender.

Charles Kushner, meanwhile, had been prosecuted by then-US Attorney for New Jersey Chris Christie in the early 2000s for tax evasion, witness tampering and illegal campaign contributions.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/politics/trump-pardons-stone-manafort-kushner/index.html

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Trump issues 26 new pardons, including ones for Stone, Manafort and Charles Kushner (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #1
I thought so too. David__77 Dec 2020 #4
He commuted his prison sentence. At the time, Stone did not want a pardon because Midnight Writer Dec 2020 #5
He issued a commutation since Stone didn't want to admit guilt. Now he has to. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #6
He commuted his sentence. The conviction still stood, until today. George II Dec 2020 #8
Paul Manafort, an agent who worked for Kremlin over a decade to rob and destroy Ukraine, attack Amer soothsayer Dec 2020 #2
+1 turbinetree Dec 2020 #21
In other words he's pardoned all the crooks associated with him. CatMor Dec 2020 #3
Charles Kushner is Jared's father. no_hypocrisy Dec 2020 #7
You have a clue how long in prison? I would think he would be out by now. LizBeth Dec 2020 #13
He did two years. OnlinePoker Dec 2020 #14
Ok, that is what I was thinking happened. Appreciate it. LizBeth Dec 2020 #16
All the best people. Canoe52 Dec 2020 #9
The Swamp pardons. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #10
nice to know a big Effing crook can become president and pardon all the other big Effing crooks. mdbl Dec 2020 #11
they are STILL convicted criminals and ought to be referred to as such nt msongs Dec 2020 #12
So now they can all testify against you! WVreaper Dec 2020 #15
Does Trump not understand that these pardons procon Dec 2020 #19
OK, Is Anyone Really Surprised? COL Mustard Dec 2020 #17
What happens when a mob boss rules the United States dalton99a Dec 2020 #18
exactly this.... dhill926 Dec 2020 #23
exactly bdamomma Dec 2020 #33
Tomorrow is Christmas Eve, when nobody is watching the news. Calista241 Dec 2020 #20
Think it's Rebl2 Dec 2020 #22
Pardon power is unlimited for federal crimes. NYC Liberal Dec 2020 #24
That's unfortunate Rebl2 Dec 2020 #25
Those are just rules, standards and norms maxrandb Dec 2020 #27
He bypassed the DoJ Grimelle Dec 2020 #36
Fox, Newsmax, Etc. Should Not Even Be Allowed to Say "Hunter" TomCADem Dec 2020 #26
Maybe they will all be taking a plane ride out of the country on Trumps B757....to the motherland turbinetree Dec 2020 #28
Yes let them all go bdamomma Dec 2020 #34
Well this will make it hard for them to plea the 5th in any investigation cstanleytech Dec 2020 #29
Accepting a pardon will deepen their shame. n/t spike jones Dec 2020 #30
Question moreland01 Dec 2020 #31
Generally, yes. LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #38
tRump bdamomma Dec 2020 #32
Now they can all be brought before a GJ DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #35
A criminal pardoning criminals. What a game. hadEnuf Dec 2020 #37
This was how Trump's reign of terror was always going to end. LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #39
And people were outraged over Clinton and Marc Rich. AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #40
The presidential pardon needs to be taken away Dopers_Greed Dec 2020 #41
Ugh, ugh, and more ugh Lulu KC Dec 2020 #42

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

David__77

(23,372 posts)
4. I thought so too.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:29 PM
Dec 2020

Apparently that was clemency. It just spared him from the sentence. This wipes out the conviction.

Midnight Writer

(21,751 posts)
5. He commuted his prison sentence. At the time, Stone did not want a pardon because
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:30 PM
Dec 2020

he felt it implied admission of guilt.

Stone has since changed his mind, and has been going on Right Wing media lobbying for a full pardon.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
2. Paul Manafort, an agent who worked for Kremlin over a decade to rob and destroy Ukraine, attack Amer
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:27 PM
Dec 2020

?s=21


Olga Lautman
@OlgaNYC1211
Paul Manafort, an agent who worked for Kremlin over a decade to rob and destroy Ukraine, attack American elections, and conduct ops for Putin in several countries has gotten pardoned. I am sick beyond belief that a Russian agent was allowed to operate for so long and is now free.
7:25 PM · Dec 23, 2020

no_hypocrisy

(46,086 posts)
7. Charles Kushner is Jared's father.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:32 PM
Dec 2020

Chris Christie must be seething now. He prosecuted Kushner and put him in jail.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
11. nice to know a big Effing crook can become president and pardon all the other big Effing crooks.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:38 PM
Dec 2020

What a shit system. Something needs to change this.

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. Does Trump not understand that these pardons
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:10 PM
Dec 2020

are a double edged sword? Is he really that stupid, or does he think he's untouchable?

The state AGs are going to use all these pardoned crooks to take down Trump. It will be a wonderful.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
17. OK, Is Anyone Really Surprised?
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:03 PM
Dec 2020

I thought he would have pardoned Manafort and Stone much earlier.

Look for another wave or 2 or 3 or 4.

bdamomma

(63,840 posts)
33. exactly
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:10 PM
Dec 2020

tRump is probably going to ask them all for monetary funds to support his ass.


to all of them.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
20. Tomorrow is Christmas Eve, when nobody is watching the news.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:13 PM
Dec 2020

So I imagine we'll have more pardons coming in the next couple days.

Rebl2

(13,496 posts)
22. Think it's
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:19 PM
Dec 2020

time to reign in the power of president’s ability to pardon. I thought they had to be submitted to a committee first, but guess not. Anybody know?

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
24. Pardon power is unlimited for federal crimes.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:39 PM
Dec 2020

There is no review or approval of any kind required and they are solely at the discretion of the president.

maxrandb

(15,323 posts)
27. Those are just rules, standards and norms
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:40 PM
Dec 2020

that only apply to Democratic Presidents.

I'm pretty sure any Dem pulling the shit we've seen over the past 4 years wouldn't be described by the press as "just being unconvetional".

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
26. Fox, Newsmax, Etc. Should Not Even Be Allowed to Say "Hunter"
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:40 PM
Dec 2020

Until we get to the bottom of the hundreds of corrupt Trump actions, including those of Trump's kids who have actually been deployed as WH envoys.

bdamomma

(63,840 posts)
32. tRump
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:06 PM
Dec 2020

once a thug/criminal always a CRIMINAL.

They can all go to hell.

Lawless, and throwing it in our faces.

What fucking criminals.

DeminPennswoods

(15,284 posts)
35. Now they can all be brought before a GJ
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:34 PM
Dec 2020

with no 5th amendment rights and we can find out what Trump really did.

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
37. A criminal pardoning criminals. What a game.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:00 PM
Dec 2020

Although this is not unexpected from a filthy slimeball like Trump, it still does make a mockery of the law.

Trump should be branded as the criminal who was placed in the White House by Putin and pardoned murderers and treasonous felons on his way out.


The only upside is that outrageous actions like these just serve to further polarize Trump and the vermin who still support him.

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
39. This was how Trump's reign of terror was always going to end.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:25 PM
Dec 2020

...with him handing out "Get Out of Jail Free" cards to his cronies & family like party favors.

The lack of judicial review of the presidential pardon power is just one of the ways the founding fathers fucked up, IMO.

Unfortunately, they relied too much on impeachment to remedy the corrupt use of the powers they granted the executive.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
40. And people were outraged over Clinton and Marc Rich.
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 01:09 AM
Dec 2020

Presidential pardon powers is a topic worth revisiting.

This is flat-out abuse of that power.

Next up — Donny Jr., Eric, and Ivanka. Wait for it.

Merry-effin-Christmas!

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