Pelosi: Sexual harassment allegations against Cuomo 'credible'

[Jose Garcia]

Source: The Hill

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday called the sexual harassment allegations levied against New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) “credible” and backed an independent investigation into his behavior.

In a statement, Pelosi said the two women who have accused Cuomo of harassment and inappropriate behavior should be taken seriously.

“The women who have come forward with serious and credible charges against Gov. Cuomo deserve to be heard and to be treated with dignity. The independent investigation must have due process and respect for everyone involved,” Pelosi said in a statement.

Cuomo has been accused by two former staffers of using language that made them uncomfortable and hinted at a desire for a sexual relationship. One of the accusers said Cuomo kissed her without consent.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/540979-pelosi-allegations-against-cuomo-credible

[underpants]

1. Totally agree

No question.

[pwb]

2. He can shoot a person on 5th avenue and I will still vote for him.

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[Walleye]

3. Who takes over if he resigned? We definitely need to elect more women

[BlueStater]

4. The lieutenant governor, who actually is a woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Hochul

[Walleye]

8. That works for me. looks like she would do fine

[jaysunb]

5. I'm sick of this shit. Nt

[LakeArenal]

6. Please please let it not be a Franken reprise.

I hate eating our own when I know for certain republicans will make more of it than we all can stand.

[LiberalLovinLug]

54. Its disgusting. Watching them scream about sexual harrassment charges against a Dem

This from the Pussy Grabber Party. Its all just too easy for them.

And once again, like a set up domino stage, all they have to do is tip that first one over, and let Democrats fall all over each other to help knock over as many more as they can until the last one falls.

Meanwhile Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, Greene are laughing it up at CPAC. Is sexual harassment worse than inciting an insurrection to destroy democracy? Hard to quantify. I don't know, but it sure seems to be for the MSM. And R's know that. And we encourage it.

[LakeArenal]

59. Alleged.... I'm also suspicious of why now everyone comes forward.

It’s not coincidental.

[Autumn]

7. Great. He should resign when Madison Cawthorn does. nt

[Polybius]

9. Doing it in office at 63 years old vs. vs doing it at 19 while in collage is even worse though

Not that I'm excusing that little Nazi-wannabee, by no means am I.

[Autumn]

14. The excuse of doing it in college VS now gave us Boofer and Gym Jordan.

[Polybius]

19. I don't excuse it

Gym Jordan however wasn't 19, like Nazi boy was. At 19 the mind is still growing. I did a lot of stupid things at 19, stuff I pray no one remembers (not sexual harassment, I was a good, shy guy at 19).

Saying sexual things to a 25 year old at 63 is horrendous.

[Autumn]

23. Saying unsolicited sexual things to any woman at any age is horrendous. There should be an

investigation before any high profile politicians weigh in on something like this.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

26. So why should we wait for Cawthorn to be investigated?

[Autumn]

31. Interesting. Who said that? Do you think that?

[Jose Garcia]

10. So it's basically open season on female Democratic staffers because Republicans are bad?

[Autumn]

13. I think Democrats should be held to the same standards Republicans are. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. Maybe you should start pressing Republicans to hold their people accountable

Rather than ignoring when Democrats do it.

[Autumn]

17. Maybe you should do the same instead of complaining about other people. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. You have an issue with me?

Go on, say what your problem is. Because it's apparently not citing right-wing sources to attack the president, or holding Democrats accountable for sexual harassment.

[Autumn]

21. Tell you what. You don't like my link in another post contact Earl instead of hounding me on

other threads. Bye

[AZSkiffyGeek]

22. You posted here. I'm responding to your willingness to ignore sexual harassment

Since Republicans get away with it.

[Autumn]

24. Then I suggest you look at other replies instead of just ONE of mine.

Don't like my opinion? You have solutions.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

25. Why? You're the one who posted about ignoring it until Cawthorn was dealt with

That's the issue I have. But keep deflecting from the fact you want to ignore women accusing Democrats because Republicans ignore their people doing the same thing.

[Autumn]

27. Yes I posted my opinion. I'm not willing to throw any Democrat under the bus on an accusation.

You are obviously fine with that.

[ancianita]

48. There IS NO EVIDENCE so right now, you don't get to PRESUME guilt over ALLEGATIONS.

Everyone here needs to stop with the sexual harassment talk and say allegations of sexual harassment.

[larwdem]

46. yep

exactly.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

15. Yeah!! We should ignore it if our people do it!

Gotta love how well we accept sexual harrassment as long as it's our people doing it. Really great look.

[Autumn]

20. Said no one ever. I said and I repeat. He should resign when Cawthorn does. I think that more

than fair. Gotta love how people are so accepting of shit Dems are accused of doing while ignoring what Republicans do. I see a pattern there.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

40. Do you know my Facebook ID, or my Twitter?

Perhaps I don't think screaming for a Republican to resign on a Democratic board will make any difference, especially since I don't live in his district. And I absolutely don't think online petitions make a damn bit of difference either.
That doesn't mean I don't think his behavior is wrong, or that he shouldn't be held accountable.
And it doesn't mean I think we should give our side a pass because, "the other side does it too."

[AZSkiffyGeek]

57. I was responding to your post about Madison Cawthorn

Standard deductive reasoning would dictate that was who I was referring to. But keep playing ignorant to attack me further.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

60. What name did I call you?

And apparently you didn't read where I explained I was talking about Madison Cawthorn, which you apparenlty couldn't discern from the previous post. And again, what use is it calling out Republicans on a forum that is for Democrats? My assumption is that people here don't like Republicans and don't approve of their actions. I also don't approve of bad behavior from my party, and won't excuse it.
But again, I guess I'm in the minority here.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

65. Well, I'm soorry I was so hurtful

Maybe don't imply I'm a Republican troll.

[Steelrolled]

39. Yeah, it's human nature to defend your own.

That is a big part of politics.

[Botany]

11. We all need to slow up on placing blame in this case before we have the facts.

n/t

[ancianita]

49. Thank you. That's the LEAST we should do over allegations.

[Botany]

52. Look if he is guilty and has a fair hearing then "things should be done" by the people of N.Y. State

But this looks to me like a Roger Stone job.

[ancianita]

55. Agree. Leave it to NY, and they'll keep him.

New Yorkers are too smart to get rid of a governor who's saved tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of lives, over what? an unproven allegation? over opinions piling up with the unspoken rule that whichever side yells loudest, they should give up their governor who runs the 3rd largest state in the nation and #1 financial center on the planet?

Democratic leaders got nothing to prove to this party -- not Biden, Franken, or Cuomo. To have gotten this far in the ruling Democratic Party of the 3rd largest nation on the planet, they all have more integrity and respect for women in their little fingers than any of their detractors of the press or opposing party.

The hobgoblin consistency of Democrats backing unproven allegations, unfiled charges with police -- this speaks of dumb snowflakery in the party, all performance facts weighed.

This is not the public battle Democrats should want to line up behind. It's inappropriate. It flirts with Republican chicanery.

[hamsterjill]

56. Another thank you.

I hate it when Dems try to eat their own. Let’s let it play out and see what transpires.

Cuomo did a hell of a lot of good the last year. He deserves to be treated fairly. The women deserve to be heard. That’s how it works.

[Lettuce Be]

28. Doesn't sexual harassment need to include at least two incidents?

If someone is crude or rude or asks inappropriate things that is not harassment. Harassment is if they do it again after you told them to stop, or repeatedly doing something when it's obvious it makes someone else uncomfortable. We have come to the point where all inappropriate behavior is automatically designated as harassment and is suddenly a reason to lose everything.

Unless there are more incidents I do not see how this is harassment at all. Just a guy being a jerk, whether he meant it or not.

[Major Nikon]

67. It depends on the situation

There's two different types of sexual harassment. Hostile work environment and quid pro quo.

Hostile work environment
Frequent or severe is the standard. One incident can meet the standard.

The victim isn't required to tell them to stop. The reasonable person standard applies. If a reasonable person standard were to find the conduct offensive through an administrative law judge or tort case, then it's harassment.

Quid pro quo
Literally this for that. Cuomo's accusers were subordinates. If Cuomo made any overtures of positive or negative outcomes if the accusers complied or not, then all it would take is one instance.

None of this is really relevant as neither accuser has sought any means of redress. I'm pretty sure the Cuomo's office will have higher internal standards than the legal standards. So even if Cuomo or the state of NY isn't subject to monetary compensation for the accusers, Cuomo could still face political and/or administrative penalties for his actions.

[GoldenMezzoDiva]

29. We're getting Stoned again, folks!

This seems to have Roger Stone written all over it. The long game? A repug NY governor, who will pardon DJT. I live in New York, and consider myself darn lucky. This is because unlike so many other gubernatorial leaders, Gov. Cuomo has done his best to take care of his constituents during these Plague Times. Taking on Trump!, providing safety nets, enforcing mask/social distancing protocols, looking out after the black and brown community, and briefing the public daily. Granted, Andrew is not a perfect human. However, I remain convinced that he really cares about people. Remember how quickly we Dems ditched Al Franken, resulting in our senatorial majority now hanging by a thread. Further, in my estimation, the simultaneous bloodlust for ousting NY and CA governors -- by both dems and repugs, are not coincidental. Moreover, I daresay that the charismatic personable wildly popular Dutchess County executive, a likeable yet pro-life conservative republican, will probably re-challenge the incumbent next time around. Seeing that any republican governor, NY or otherwise, is not a good thing, "Stone" me for asking, but when will we ever learn?

[Jose Garcia]

30. If Cuomo were to resign, his Democratic Lt. Governor would become Governor

[iemanja]

42. Because how could a Democrat possibly commit

sexual assault? Or rather, is your objection is that anyone should even dare to care? How could anyone possibly believe women, when they NEVER have a right to determine who touches their bodies? The implication is that Democratic women's deserve to subjugated by men. The Democratic party is made up overwhelmingly of women, yet we are expected to remain permanently second class citizens--our bodies subjected to harassment and assault at the whims of Democratic men. My response to that is NO. I will not remain silent as those determined to enforce male dominance of women use politics as their excuse.

I no longer believe that the insistence that Democratic men NEVER be held accountable is about hypocrisy alone. It is far more malignant and deliberate.

Republican rule does not result from Cuomo's actions. That is a blatantly false claim. The DEMOCRATIC Lt. Governor takes over if Cuomo resigns.

[larwdem]

44. agree

100%

[stillcool]

33. what are the charges exactly?

using language that made them uncomfortable, hinting at a desire for a sexual relationship, and kissing without consent, means what as far as charges? And would any kind of proof be needed, or no? Boy, I could make a mint off of things that happened decades ago. An unwanted kiss...how much is that worth? I suppose the kisser has to be a Democrat with a powerful position. Shame.

[NurseJackie]

34. You are not alone in that observation.

[iemanja]

43. that would get anyone in this country fired

from a job.

[ancianita]

50. There are no "charges." There are only allegations.

[ffr]

35. Yeah maybe and the former pOTUS was a molester and rapist

And he's the standard bearer for that party, almost won re-election, and is seeking to be elected again and YET nothing is done or can be done to correct that.

This is complete bullshit! I see nothing, until the other side sees a refection in a mirror.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

41. So because the Republicans won't do anything about Trump we should excuse our own?

I'm sorry, right is right and wrong is wrong, and if our side does it, they should get called on it as well. But apparently I'm in the minority who thinks that.

[Jedi Guy]

61. For what it's worth, I agree with you.

And if Cuomo had an R after his name instead of a D, the responses on this thread would be very different. I guess some folks are willing to look the other way as long as it benefits their team.

[ffr]

70. So much enegy put into that post.

I too have energy and it's squarely focused on the republicans, the hypocrites of all hypocrites. I fight fire with fire. I'm not satisfied with them coming to their senses. They need to make amends. Until then, I see nothing but them.

Energy focused.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

72. Isn't excusing our own problems while attacking Republicans an example of hypocrisy?

I hold our reps to standards that are more than "They aren't Republicans." And just because the Republicans don't care about Judge Moore's actions, doesn't mean I shouldn't care about Cuomo's.

[larwdem]

45. I agree

100%

[ffr]

71. I don't. See above.

I'm not distracted by another Al Franken circular firing squad.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

73. Sexual harassment is okay if done by Democrats!

Because Republicans are bad.
Gotcha.

[Steelrolled]

37. Cuomo is no different than the scores of politicians and celebrities

who have behaved like this.

And his reaction to the charges is the same.

This is what happens to some people when they get power.

[ancianita]

51. Yeah, he is.

This is what happens when a Democratic governor works his ass off for a year and saves hundreds of thousands of lives in his state.

This is what happens when Democrats slop around with the words sexual harassment and charges when nothing of the kind have been established.

This is the bullshit sunshine perfect-as-the-enemy-of-the-good Democratic voter habit.

[Steelrolled]

74. I would be more forgiving of Cuomo if it wasn't for his handling of Corvid-19

He muffed it IMHO.

[ancianita]

75. Really. You're serious. Then please proceed. Tell us how he "muffed it, in my humble opinion."

[Escurumbele]

62. Instead of saying "credible" she should limit her comment to "it must be investigated"

There have been many "credible" witnesses before who turned out to being "not credible".

If he did it, then he should suffer the consequences, but this is a bad from Democrats, they jump at the gun to crucify their own, just like it happened to Al Franken, and he resigned when he should have not done so.

Please, allow the investigation to go forward and the truth come out before making anyone guilty.

[ancianita]

63. +1000

Proving a "toxic work environment" over words won't happen in this case.
The resignation of one woman does not a toxic work environment prove.

[electric_blue68]

66. I always want women to be heard because much...

if not most of the time they are being repeatedly harassed, or a single incident is that horrible, disgusting, scary etc the perpetrator must be dealt with right away.

Somewhere between rare, and occasionally there are
false allegations for various reasons.

I think even rarer is a real misunderstanding.

It should be investigated, calls for his resignation are
premature.

[BootinUp]

68. Maybe just wait for the actual investigation. Nt

[scarletwoman]

69. I wish Speaker Pelosi had refrained from making a statement - it was totally unnecessary for

her to weigh in on this issue.

At best, she might have simply expressed her support for an independent investigation and left it at that.

I see no more virtue in siding with the accusers than in siding with the accused.