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Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:11 PM

Catholics Should Avoid Johnson & Johnson Vaccine If Others Available, Official U.S. Group Says

Source: Forbes

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops—the official group representing the church in the U.S.—urged Catholics Tuesday to avoid taking the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine if other options are available, saying the J&J vaccine "raises questions about the moral permissibility"—even though Johnson & Johnson has stated it did not use fetal tissues in its vaccine.

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President Joe Biden, also known for his strong Catholic faith and being only the second-ever Catholic president, praised the vaccine's approval over the weekend, calling it "exciting news for all Americans."

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The Vatican made its statement in December after citing "diverse and sometimes conflicting pronouncements in the mass media by bishops, Catholic associations, and experts" when it came to vaccine ethics, especially given that there has also been concern around Pfizer and Moderna's development practices. One week before the Vatican released its statement, the U.S. Conference of Bishops said Pfizer and Moderna vaccines came from a "remote connection to morally compromised cell lines," while saying a potential vaccine from AstraZeneca was "more morally compromised" when it came to abortion.

Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/02/catholics-should-avoid-johnson--johnson-vaccine-if-others-available-official-us-group-says/



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BlueWavePsych Mar 2021 OP
Skittles Mar 2021 #1
SheltieLover Mar 2021 #5
zanana1 Mar 2021 #44
olegramps Mar 2021 #42
JohnSJ Mar 2021 #2
AZ8theist Mar 2021 #22
JohnSJ Mar 2021 #23
zanana1 Mar 2021 #43
Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #3
SheltieLover Mar 2021 #4
Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #6
tonekat Mar 2021 #7
paleotn Mar 2021 #8
MyOwnPeace Mar 2021 #13
Captain Zero Mar 2021 #37
smb Mar 2021 #38
twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #9
RainCaster Mar 2021 #10
PA_jen Mar 2021 #11
demigoddess Mar 2021 #12
harumph Mar 2021 #14
smb Mar 2021 #39
UGADawg Mar 2021 #15
Yavin4 Mar 2021 #16
muriel_volestrangler Mar 2021 #20
zanana1 Mar 2021 #45
AllaN01Bear Mar 2021 #17
Wuddles440 Mar 2021 #18
truthisfreedom Mar 2021 #19
bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #21
George II Mar 2021 #24
BlueJean Mar 2021 #25
weissmam Mar 2021 #26
monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #32
LiberalFighter Mar 2021 #27
monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #28
NickB79 Mar 2021 #29
Hekate Mar 2021 #30
Pas-de-Calais Mar 2021 #31
rdking647 Mar 2021 #33
Historic NY Mar 2021 #34
Midnight Writer Mar 2021 #35
ZonkerHarris Mar 2021 #36
apnu Mar 2021 #40
OldBaldy1701E Mar 2021 #41
dalton99a Mar 2021 #46
Politicub Mar 2021 #47
RobinA Mar 2021 #50
pacheen Mar 2021 #48
orangecrush Mar 2021 #49

Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:12 PM

1. it is amazing what "offends" these people and what does not

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:16 PM

5. And that anyone would give a shit what they say boggles my mind!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

44. Forgive my ignorance, but...

What is an "ayobe"?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:44 AM

42. The bishops and many of today's priests are only further alienating people.

They keep beating the same drum even concerning contraception. It appear that it is a race to gladly drive anyone who disagrees with them driven from the church of true believers. They are oblivious of their Master's basic teachings in which He criticized the religious leaders as placing heavy demands on the people's backs and failing to provide any support to help to left the burden. Pope John XXIII attempted in vain to awaken the church to fact that it was quickly becoming totally irrelevant to the life style and needs of especially the younger people of today's society. His warning were reject by the entrenched hierarchy who only viewed it as an onslaught on what the viewed as their right to dominate what was morally acceptable. The result was easily predictable. It was a total disaster.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:13 PM

2. and they followed that up demanding that people accept the earth is the center of the universe

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:12 PM

22. Give the Catholic church a break....

After all, they have a 400 year learning curve*



*see Galileo vs the Roman Catholic Church regarding heliocentrism...

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:24 PM

23. Yes

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:49 AM

43. I was raised in a Catholic family.

When I was a kid, I went to a Catholic school and the things we were told to believe were insane. As an adult, I look back and wonder how I survived it. I haven't been to mass for decades, so I guess I'll have to be sent to hell 2,080 times. Ouch.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:13 PM

3. JFC

Fucking idiots nor non-fucking, if the shoe fits.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:15 PM

4. They should stfu & concern themselves with their pedos

Religion has no place in science or politics!

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:20 PM

6. Again priests telling us what to do with our bodies and medical treatment.

They can go directly to hell.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:29 PM

7. More anti-science

...and superstition from the anti-woman shamans.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:29 PM

8. Ugh....just ugh,



Well, more for everyone else.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:47 PM

13. Nixon's Sec. of Agriculture

once got himself in trouble for making a "joke" about what he considered to be a poor decision by the Pope and the Catholic Church regarding the use of contraception:

In 1974, a reporter asked Butz about Pope Paul VI’s opposition to using artificial contraception as a means to assuage world hunger. Butz replied, in effect, that the pope’s rejection of this approach was of little interest because Pope Paul had already stated, in a 1968 encyclical, that artificial contraception violated church law under any circumstances. Here’s how he put it: “He no play-a da game, he no make-a da rules.” *

Sometimes decisions aren't always made in the right way.......


*https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/02/earl-butz-history-s-victim.html

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 05:09 AM

37. LOL. Forgot about that gem from Earl Butz. Sounds like Father Sarducci.

wasn't Earl Butz forced out as Ag Secretary at some point?

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 08:07 AM

38. The "Gem" That Di

The "Gem" that forced him to resign:

Butz started by telling a dirty joke involving intercourse between a dog and a skunk. When the conversation turned to politics, Boone, a right-wing Republican, asked Butz why the party of Lincoln was not able to attract more blacks. The Secretary responded with a line so obscene and insulting to blacks that it forced him out of the Cabinet last week and jolted the whole Ford campaign....

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:39 PM

9. You had me at Catholic.

Bad memories.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:44 PM

10. What do bishops know about vaccine design?

I saw nothing in the article anywhere with a factual reference. How is the church going to bolster this statement?

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:46 PM

11. .....

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:47 PM

12. how do they know that God didn't plan this all along. Perhaps those babies were angels sent to do a

job that God wanted done.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:50 PM

14. This make no sense - but not for the reasons you might think

If abortion is an absolute evil, then it is only logical that Catholics should avoid ANY and ALL vaccines with even the
most tenuous connection to "morally compromised cell lines." IOW, they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.
Of course logically, the stated permissiveness with regard to the preferable vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) which are ostensibly
more "remote" in their relatedness to abortion could be construed to imply that the "evil" of abortion as it were, is a matter of degree and hence not "absolute."

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Response to harumph (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 08:11 AM

39. Surely The "Morally Compromised" Cell Lines Were Sanctified...

...when they were used to create the monoclonal antibody treatment given to the Mango Messiah.

Well, I assume so, given that nobody in the Church hierarchy had any problem with that....

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:54 PM

15. So does avoiding the J&J vaccine reduce the number of abortions?

asking for a friend.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:56 PM

16. That's not what the Pope says

Last edited Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:20 PM - Edit history (2)

The Vatican says that it's "morally acceptable" to receive a vaccination for COVID-19, even if the vaccine's research or production involved using cell lines derived from aborted fetuses, given the "grave danger" of the pandemic.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican office charged with promoting and defending church morals and traditions, said in a document released Monday that "when ethically irreproachable Covid-19 vaccines are not available ... it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process."


https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/21/948806643/vatican-oks-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-even-if-research-involved-fetal-tissue


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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:04 PM

20. Link to a Zoom meeting? (nt)

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:52 AM

45. I'm a non-practicing Catholic, but I like this pope.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:57 PM

17. at that point id leave that church and never step into a catholic church again.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:58 PM

18. I'm confused...

isn't it "morally permissible" to promote policies that keep their parishioners alive? What happened to being "pro-life"?

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:00 PM

19. More for the rest of us

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:07 PM

21. The Transubstantiation guys are now paying attention to physical biology

If only King Henry VIII could see them now!

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:27 PM

24. The POPE said the J&J vaccine was acceptable.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:46 PM

25. J & J should file a law suit against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

The Catholic church has lots of money. Let them pay for their false claims against J & J.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:48 PM

26. then go ahead and die

bunch of religious idiots

when will people realize that the catholic church are NOT the good guys

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Response to weissmam (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:38 PM

32. AGREED ------- 100%

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:28 PM

27. Let them refuse the J&J vaccine.

The other two vaccines require 2 vaccine shots while Johnson and Johnson only needs 1. Tell them that because they are Catholic it will cause them more pain and it will be twice they will have to go thru it.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:38 PM

28. religion & politics do not mix.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:51 PM

29. The Vatican also says birth control isn't acceptable, ever

Yet virtually all Catholics use it.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:06 PM

30. Joe Biden is very much in tune with the beliefs & behavior of the average American Catholic....

Most Roman Catholics, by far, are neither bishops, priests, or nuns.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:27 PM

31. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

Is
Notorious
For
Being
Conservative

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:11 AM

33. start taxing the churches

Its about damn time

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:19 AM

34. And we should listen to the idiots who persecuted Galileo.

It comes to the point that these bishops overstep their bounds. Pro life my ass.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 01:14 AM

35. But this is the official God, right? I mean, what are you gonna do? Disobey him?

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 01:39 AM

36. If they disagree with the Pope they aren't very "official" to me.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 09:01 AM

40. Rogue bishops going against the Pope.

This has been a theme for Papa Frank.

Him and the Vatican have been aggressively pro-vax and released a statement allowing Catholics to use any vax, even if stem cells were involved at some point.

But conservative bishops are always looking for an excuse to muck with their progressive leader.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:01 AM

41. Aww, poor religious leaders...

being made to look bad because their faith has offered exactly zero help on this pandemic. Thoughts and Prayers, leaders!

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

46. Anti-vax at the Vatican? You might lose your job (AP)

https://apnews.com/article/italy-coronavirus-pandemic-rome-pope-francis-europe-f3214bfe787e783f8779d3f0fa9edfe8

Anti-vax at the Vatican? You might lose your job
By NICOLE WINFIELD
February 18, 2021

ROME (AP) — The Vatican is taking Pope Francis’ pro-vaccine stance very seriously: Any Vatican employee who refuses to get a coronavirus shot without a valid medical reason risks being fired.

A Feb. 8 decree signed by the governor of the Vatican city-state says that employees who opt out of vaccination without a proven medical reason could be subject to a sanction up to and including “the interruption of the relationship of employment.”

The directive cited the need to protect Vatican employees in the workplace, as well as guidelines issued by Francis’ advisory COVID-19 commission, which said individuals have a moral responsibility to get vaccinated “given that refusing a vaccine can constitute a risk for others.”

Some Catholics and other believers have expressed faith-based concerns about vaccines because some of the ones available were indirectly connected to research that used aborted fetal cells. The Vatican’s doctrine office has judged it morally acceptable for Catholics to receive COVID-19 vaccines, including those that relied on research that used cells derived from aborted fetuses.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

47. FFS - sigh.

Another group that is prolonging the pain of the virus because of their precious purity.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 4, 2021, 01:12 PM

50. If They Listen

to this as well as they listen to the abortion prohibition, there isn't much to worry about

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 02:43 PM

48. Yet another reason why I quit going to Mass 😡

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 03:59 PM

49. Right wing bishops



I am Catholic, and watch how fast I get that shot if it becomes available.

Some of these people are severely delusional.

We are not all like that.

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