Cuomo trying to interfere with AG's sexual harassment probe, lawyer for accuser says

[brooklynite]

Source: CNBC

A lawyer for one of the women who have accused New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo of sexual harassment charged Monday that he is trying to interfere with a state attorney general’s office investigation of the women’s claims.

The lawyer, Debra Katz, in a letter to Attorney General Letitia James, objected to a report that Cuomo’s office has provided “in-house attorneys” to staff members to meet with them before they are questioned by James’ investigators.

“It is my understanding that these attorneys are also ‘debriefing’ staffers after their interviews with investigators,” wrote Katz, who represents former Cuomo staffer Charlotte Bennett.

“This is highly improper and we object in the strongest possible terms to this obvious interference with what you have stated would be a ‘thorough and independent’ investigation,” Katz told James.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/22/cuomo-interferes-with-sexual-harassment-probe-charlotte-bennetts-lawyer-says.html

[Budi]

1. Sounds more like AG James is seeking fairness for all sides, ....

....considering the accusations rolled out to the scandal hungry press on an endless loop, are being met with both Boylan & Bennett refusing to testify Under Oath, per the advice of their own high profile attorneys, as to the "accusations".

Can't blame the accused nor the AG for seeking the truth when the accusers are simply that. Accusers without backing up their stories Under Oath.

I'd be looking elsewhere for the truth also. Since they both refuse to repeat their 'accusations' Under Oath.

Something doesn't quite add up here.
These 2 have told literally Everyone Else, except as the truth Under Oath.

Say anything, just don't say it Under Oath.
mmmhmmmm . 🙄

[Beastly Boy]

2. I am not sure who is trying to interfere with the investigation here

Katz [the lawyed for the accuser] asked [AG Leticia] James to issue a statement saying that she was not made aware of or had approved the Executive Chamber’s investigation.

“Otherwise, this unauthorized parallel investigation will continue to undermine the legitimacy of the thorough, independent investigation being conducted by your office,” Katz wrote.

She is now pressuring the AG to make out of context statements related to the AGs ongoing investigation, based on her "understanding" of a report whose origin she doesn't disclose, of an event (prospective witnesses in her case being provided with legal representation) whose circumstances and context she appears to disregard (if the report she is alluding to is factual, which she assumes but does not elucidate, it is quite likely they requested legal representation). That's an attempt to directly interfere in the AG's investigation. "Highly improper" and objectionable "in the strongest possible terms" with what the AG "stated would be a "thorough and independent investigation", no?

I can understand the need of MSM to sensationalize every minutest, most mundane sordid detail of any scandal du jour they happen to come across, but do we really have amplify their bullshit here on DU?

[George II]

4. From what Katz says, it's NOT a "parallel" investigation.

[Budi]

5. K & R Thank You!

Exactly as I read it as well.

She is now pressuring the AG to make out of context statements related to the AGs ongoing investigation, based on her "understanding" of a report whose origin she doesn't disclose, of an event (prospective witnesses in her case being provided with legal representation) whose circumstances and context she appears to disregard (if the report she is alluding to is factual, which she assumes but does not elucidate, it is quite likely they requested legal representation).
That's an attempt to directly interfere in the AG's investigation. "Highly improper" and objectionable "in the strongest possible terms" with what the AG "stated would be a "thorough and independent investigation", no?

AG James will seek the truth wherever it leads.
Katz is doing a bit of interferance as well.

Get your client's to testify Under Oath so they are believable, because as it stands right now, they are both sensationalizing a nothing story to damage the Gov of NY.
Without saying their story Under Oath, they are lying .
Katz knows it. But it's quite a two step to turn this bs story around & question AG James!
ffs. Already.

At this point, I'd be filing a defamation case against them both & make them sit under oath & repeat every word to the court that they've been shoveling out to the Press.

Say it Under Oath.
Unless, of course....ummmmm

[pnwmom]

11. AG James has full subpoena power to take testimony under oath.

Why do you assume she's not exercising it?

[Budi]

20. After meeting with interviewers for 3-4 hours last week Boylan & Bennet's Attorneys advised them ..

..advised them against testifying under oath.

Why would an Attorney advise against that, following a hours long interview by AG James' appointees?

Not saying she's Not exercising it.
Their Own Attys advised their clients Against testifying under oath.

That came after the hours-long initial interviews.

Why not say it all under oath.
What happened in the 1st interviews to prompt such advise from Boylen & Bennet's Attorneys.

They haven't even gotten to AG James & they're already doing this??
Now Katz is twisting it to call out AG James?!

Flip the narritive & hide from the truth of their own words.

Got it ..

[pnwmom]

23. Their attorneys want them to refuse to testify except under subpoena.

This is not unusual.

[pnwmom]

9. Even if they want legal representation, CUOMO, the accused, shouldn't be in charge

of the attorneys who provide the legal help.

But he is, because he's the Governor and all the NY staff attorneys work for him.

[Beastly Boy]

13. All the NY State attorneys work, as does Cuomo, for the State of New York.

And they all have a supervisor they report to. Do you know who she is? Hint: she's not Cuomo.

[pnwmom]

14. These are lawyers from the Executive Office, and they do report to the Governor. nt

[Beastly Boy]

15. No, they are assigned to the Executive Office, and they report to the Attorney General.

[pnwmom]

16. Lawyers working for the governor told the Albany Times Union they're conducting a "parallel review."

Cuomo shouldn't be in a position where he has lawyers working in his office that can conduct their own interviews of accusers and witnesses.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Cuomo-s-office-conducting-its-own-inquiry-of-16033347.php

And Cuomo's spokesperson confirms it.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/03/22/exclusive-debra-katz-charlotte-bennett-attorney-interview/

Beth Garvey, the governor’s acting counsel, said the attorney general was informed of the parallel review and defended the decision to hire lawyers to represent staff.

“Employees have been advised that, if they want to be represented by a lawyer in this matter, they may choose private counsel or the outside counsel that is representing the Chamber.” Garvey said

[Beastly Boy]

24. Actually, Cuomo's spokesperson confirmed that the witnesses requested legal reoresentation

From the source you linked to:

“Employees have been advised that, if they want to be represented by a lawyer in this matter, they may choose private counsel or the outside counsel that is representing the Chamber.” Garvey said

And apparently, the choice they were offered was "private counsel or the outside counsel that is representing the Chamber". Not the attorneys working for NY State. So that should be the end of the "working for the governor" argument.

[pnwmom]

25. The Executive CHAMBER is Cuomo's office. The Governor's office.

Who did you think it was, the Chamber of Commerce?

[PoliticAverse]

37. "Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office has hired outside lawyers to represent Executive Chamber staffers"

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s office has hired outside lawyers to represent Executive Chamber staffers amid an investigation into workplace sexual harassment allegations against the governor, a report said Wednesday.

...

Lawyers retained to represent Cuomo’s staff held a conference call with them on Tuesday, urging anybody with concerns to reach out, the Wall Street Journal reported.

From: https://nypost.com/2021/03/17/cuomos-office-hires-outside-counsel-amid-harassment-probe/

Executive Chamber of Andrew Cuomo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Chamber_of_Andrew_Cuomo

[ancianita]

77. I'll throw this in: Cuomo's been in James' position as AG. She hasn't been in his position.

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James knows that he knows that he's allowed a parallel investigation, with GOER, police, etc. involved.

At the same time, we all should know that he's got the third largest state to run, getting a big budget passed in Albany, and making decisions with his medical team handling a covid variant increase in infections, and monitoring the opening of NY businesses being just three parts of that.

He said he'll continue to do his job, and he is. In fact, throughout all this, he's still been doing more for the people of NY than any one of his judgy detractors in the state Democratic party. They've made their positions clear. Now they need to get on with doing their job for NY, too.

I don't like to respond to media hype about this anymore, but just thought I'd add context that gets overrun by media she-said/he-said hype.

[George II]

3. "Lawyer for accuser says", that's all I need to know. I wonder why there are so many Cuomo....

....hit pieces showing up in the news and finding their way on DU.

Katz says she objected to "a report that Cuomo’s office has provided “in-house attorneys” to staff members to meet with them before they are questioned by James’ investigators."

"A report"?

[Budi]

6. A report?

Why would an attorney advise their clients Not To Testify Under Oath?

What's the problem?

[hamsterjill]

7. I like the term "hit pieces".

Some DU'ers definitely have an issue with Governor Cuomo it seems. I find the same ones starting thread after thread on this issue. That's their right, but some are determined to post every negative thing that can be found.

As for me, I'll withhold judgment until the investigations are complete. The last information that I saw (which has been a few days) indicated that the majority of New Yorkers still do NOT want him to resign at this time.

[George II]

21. Not only that, but the two most prominent and outspoken accusers have refused to testify under....

....oath, and now it seems another accuser won't do so, either.

As far as I'm concerned, if an accuser is unwilling to testify under oath, her accusation should be dismissed. What's the point of making an accusation if one is unwilling to follow it up with sworn testimony?

[hamsterjill]

28. I agree completely.

As I've stated before in other threads, more accusers piling on still means that each one must be investigated. Refusing to testify under oath is definitely going to be a factor in an investigation. Anyone can claim anything. Let there be an actual and thorough investigation, and then if Cuomo is deemed guilty, let him face the consequences.

But I hate it when Democrats try to destroy a Democratic leader when we all know perfectly well that due process is something that most Democrats would and should insist upon.

Let this play out and see what the outcome will be. Until then, he's still the Governor and has indicated that he will not resign.

[pnwmom]

31. Except under subpoena, which affords them protections. n/t

[George II]

88. Protections? Best protection is telling the truth. That was my "defense" during sworn depositions.

[pnwmom]

91. Giving testimony under subpoena does nothing to lessen the truth.

It helps protect the employee against retaliation.

[caber09]

29. Yes the same posters, posting the same stuff over and over...

In some cases acting like old news is breaking news again...But they wont answer why 3 of the accusers wont testify under oath. Doesnt matter to them, guilty as charged, no due process allowed, get rid of him like Franken...I wonder if some of these posters have a stake in the matter that we dont know about, its very interesting how invested they are without caring about official filings, talking to police or speaking under oath. They are fine with telling everyone else...but not under oath. Why should he stop aside if noone is officially charging him, noone is speaking under oath, no one is filing suit..if they are serious they should be taking it seriously too, instead of using it at rallies or to fundraise to defeat other democrats

[hamsterjill]

33. Exactly.

It's almost like there's a personal agenda or something. And how dare any other DU'er dare to disagree. I got flamed over the weekend a couple of times.

All I'm saying is investigate legally and see what the outcome is. I can't understand how anyone who wants Democratic principles upheld could possibly disagree with that.

[caber09]

35. Yep..

I got alerted also bec I want it to play out, want due process, ...it would not surprise me..perhaps someone is working for the Boylan campaign Boro president campaign?

[hamsterjill]

118. And oh my stars!!!! He's gone and called a supporter "darling" now.

Can you beLIEVE the audacity of that man!!! (Sarcasm, of course).

I’m sure you’ve seen the new thread about that story.

[iemanja]

26. because he's a sexual predator

When a predator prays on multiple people, more and more come forward. That is a pattern of conduct and dispositive of guilt. Now we see that the lawyer has asked to just to ask Cuomo to stop interfering with the evidence. And you demand that the news be censored so that the truth is hidden from the public. We shall see how the judge rules, not that it matters to the apologists.

Yet we see hit arguments that show utter contempt for women and their right to control their bodies. Why would something like that appear on a Democratic website, a party in which the great majority of voters are women?

I know the answer, and it has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Politics is merely an excuse for working to ensure men are able to harass, assault, and other wise claim women's bodies for their own use, while we continually hear that those women have no right to as much as complain about.

[Budi]

49. Weaponizing METOO should be a crime also

Now he's a sexual predator??!!!??, although NOT ONE of the accusers will say it under oath.

Ya know why that is?
Because this isn't about a sexual predator.
This is about weaponizing ME TOO, about raising their own profile & fundraising & to discredit the profile of a very well liked successful DEMOCRATIC Gov as we enter the 2022 high stakes race for the most powerful seat in NY.

Same fringe groups used Tara Reade against Biden. The same Tara Reade who was caught doing interviews & shopping her 'story' to the Russian owned propaganda show, OAN .

Read & re-read, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf ".

None of these women accusers will testify under oath to the accusations they've shoveled out to anyone who'd write about it.

It's a political hit to cause enough doubt without actually having to tell the actual truth. It is a political tactic to discredit a powerful opponant.

Re: Tara Reade.
After that stunt I would hope just ONE of these 8 women accusing Cuomo has the fortitude to stand by her word & say it under oath.

But that's not the end game is it.
It is to damage, & discredit a political opponant.

ala Tara Reade.
Same shit.
GTFOUTTA HERE.

[iemanja]

67. Your claims that all eight women are liars

Is repulsive. They aren't weaponizing Me Too. That is your claim, which is supported by absolutely no evidence.

Are you the one who previously said all Me too accusers are liars?

[Budi]

70. Then Testify under oath. Weaponizing #METOO for political gain is repulsive.

TARA READE was weaponized against Joe Biden by his opponants.

When the particular groups behind that sick repulsive political hatchet game are now screaming about this one & NOT ONE OF THE 8 accusers will testify under oath to their claims, why would it NOT be a stretch to see the game being played for the 2022 election as well.

BTW. I HAVE NEVER EVER SAID ALL #METOO ACCUSERS ARE LIARS.

When did I say That? WHEN DID I SAY ALL #METOO ACCUSERS ARE LIARS?
How bout NEVER.


You accused me of an untruth, now prove your repulsive accusation or apologize
I'll be waiting....

[pnwmom]

8. This is why Cuomo should be on a paid leave while this investigation is ongoing.

He shouldn't be in charge of any of the people involved.

[Beastly Boy]

10. This is not up to any of us, or Cuomo, or the accusers, or the accusers' lawyers to determine.

It is up to AG Leticia James, and no one else. This is why her investigation is called "independent".

[pnwmom]

12. It may be independent but it's not one of her powers

to be able to force Cuomo to step aside.

[Beastly Boy]

18. You are absolutely right! So who can force Cuomo to step aside?

Not the AG, not the EEOC guidelines, not Cuomo, not the accused, not the lawyers for the accused, not the posters on DU...

Well, he could be impeached. And he could lose re-election. Take your pick. Or maybe we can ask Al Franken who forced him to step aside.

[pnwmom]

19. He should step aside temporarily, resign, or

stop pretending it's possible to have an independent investigation while he is still in office, exercising full power over his staffers.

[Beastly Boy]

34. No he shouldn't do either.

You see, this whole argument is now being reduced to the difference of opinions between me and you. I am not in a habit of debating opinions. I am ready to point out where your arguments are not based in fact, as I have done on numerous occasions, but you and I have to admit that either one of our opinions is non-binding and legally, and even rhetorically, irrelevant. With this, I will end my contribution to discussing opinions.

[pnwmom]

41. LOL, you didn't know that the Chamber offering the lawyers was the Executive Chamber

controlled by the Governor.

And you tell me that my arguments aren't based on fact.

[Beastly Boy]

46. No, I didn't know. Thanks for pointing it out.

But this has zero effect on my argument. The witnesses were given a choice: to be represented by an independent council, a lawyer from the Executive Chamber (all of whom still report to AG James and take orders from her), or not to be represented at all. The choice was theirs, not Cuomo's. This is the fact that remains unchanged.

[caber09]

36. Heastie is getting a bit wobbly on impeachment as of the other day...

Why? Because they arent fully cooperating overall, wont go under oath...Heastie even said all these are stories based on articles etc.

[pnwmom]

43. Their rights will be better protected if they only go under oath under subpoena.

They have good reason for being afraid of the Governor's capability of retaliation.

[caber09]

51. Doesnt sound like they want to testify at all in the impeachment inquiry..bec it would be under oath

Boylan is out there calling it a sham...once Heastie brought up being under oath she flipped on the impeachment hearings...and spoke for the other women saying they wont cooperate either

[pnwmom]

78. Could you please give a link for this? As it stands, I have no idea what she is calling a sham.

The investigation, with Cuomo still at the held of government, is not the independent investigation it should be. He shouldn't be able to send lawyers out from his Executive Chamber to interview witnesses in what his own spokesperson called a "parallel investigation."

[caber09]

79. Here you go shes turned on the impeachment probe bec Heastie wants to call people under oath

https://nypost.com/2021/03/17/lindsey-boylan-wont-cooperate-with-sham-cuomo-impeach-probe/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/lindsey-boylan-wont-participate-in-cuomo-impeachment-probe.html

Lindsey Boylan won’t cooperate with ‘sham’ Cuomo impeachment probe..she is pissed they want her to go under oath...

In a pair of tweets, former Cuomo aide Lindsey Boylan repeatedly attacked Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie (D-Bronx), who last week authorized an impeachment investigation by the Assembly Judiciary Committee.

“Do not trust @CarlHeastie. His impeachment investigation is not designed to be transparent or to move fast, and there’s nothing @NYGovCuomo wants more than time,”

Boylan, now a Democratic candidate for Manhattan borough president, also said that she — and unspecified other women — would not cooperate with the Judiciary Committee’s probe.

[pnwmom]

80. She hasn't turned on an independent, fair impeachment probe

She just doesn't support one run by one of Cuomo's strong allies.

https://abc7ny.com/andrew-cuomo-sexual-harassment-ronan-farrow-lindsey-boylan/10435480/

[caber09]

81. Come on really? Heastie called for him to be removed...

Stop making excuses for her...suddenly she doesnt want to speak under oath (again)...yet dont worry shes out at rallies screaming for impeachment...she just wont testify under oath in the inquiry...and once again like I said shes out there at rallies, fundraising off this herself, organizing a PAC to take out other dems, bashing Biden/Harris...but she wont speak under oath....why did she tweet in Aug 2018 that she is proud to work for Cuomo...a Gov who is a strong supporter of women? "The aide, Lindsey Boylan, described several years of uncomfortable interactions with Mr. Cuomo"...but in 2018 was proud to work for him in her tweet? Then she was accused by her co workers of harassment & bullying. I am very curious to see what she does when AG James asks for her to speak under oath.

Why are the being advised not to speak under oath? Why is the young lady who says she was groped refusing to file a police report or speak to police? They just want him to resign...or get impeached without an investigation...why is that?...Like ive been saying for weeks, let the investigations play out.

[pnwmom]

82. She will speak under oath when subpoenaed. There's no reason to expect

that she won't be subpoenaed, when AG James is ready.

But Heastie is refusing to hold an impeachment trial. Instead, he's pursuing an "investigation" led by people with Cuomo ties. That's what Boylan is calling a sham.

https://gothamist.com/news/do-your-job-rally-cuomo-accuser-lindsey-boylan-demands-assembly-speaker-impeach-governor

Heastie has resisted pressure from lawmakers to launch an impeachment process. He instead authorized a wide-ranging investigation through the Assembly Judiciary Committee, which hired an outside counsel to conduct the probe. But the firm, Davis Polk, is revealed to be connected with supporters for Cuomo, leaving many wondering whether a fair process will be carried out.

[caber09]

83. Thats fine...would that be the breaking point for you..if her and/or others refuse at that point?

[pnwmom]

92. It would be with regard to her. But I can't imagine she'd go to jail

instead of complying with the subpoena AG James can issue.

[caber09]

96. And again Boylan was cited for harassment & bullying...those witnesses will be called as well....

dont forget she was in trouble and accused by her coworkers...going to be interesting once they are called to discuss their issues with her

[pnwmom]

100. The issues they may have had with her are irrelevant to this investigation,

which includes 7 additional women accusing Cuomo of inappropriate behavior.

[caber09]

102. You think the fact that she was accused of harrassment in the same work place is irrelevant? wow!

You are kidding right? She is accusing harrassment in the workplace...while she was accused of the same behavior, cited by several employees...leading to her leaving...and you do not think its relevant? you think it wont be brought up?

[pnwmom]

104. She wasn't accused of sexual harassment in the workplace or anywhere else.

She had some unhappy employees who complained that she belittled them, according to the unverified leaks. But no one accused her of sexual harassment.

[caber09]

106. LOL wow the tone does a 180 when we put her as the accused party huh..wow

That is a huge 180 and exposes that your complete bias...belittled them, unhappy employees...unverified leaks...wow sounds thats a huge change in temperament ...shocking! Shouldnt we believe all accusers? How do you know what they accused her of?

[pnwmom]

108. Who has publicly made accusations against Boylan? Can you name anyone?

And, no, we don't automatically believe anyone who accuses anyone of anything. That's ridiculous.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/nyregion/cuomo-lindsey-boylan.html

Lawyers who work on sexual harassment said that an employee’s work history was immaterial to whether or not they can claim harassment.

“There’s not a defense to harassment that the person was a bad employee,” said Elizabeth Kristen, a senior staff attorney with Legal Aid at Work in San Francisco, adding, “It’s not even relevant. Maybe she was the worst employee in the world, but she could still be harassed.”

[caber09]

109. Yep I feel bad for those coworkers Boylan who she harassed and bullied...

all those complaints and reports on her..perhaps she should resign from running for Boro President since she has a history of harassing and bullying people..stop being a Boylan apologist...she must quit the Boro Presidents race now!

[pnwmom]

116. You feel bad for people you think exist because of "leaks." But you don't know one name.

And you know nothing about the context of the incidents that were supposedly mentioned in the leaks.

This has nothing to do with Boylan's and the other women's complaints about Cuomo, other than the fact that his first reaction to her complaint was to engage in a surreptitious smear campaign.

[caber09]

117. Your bias is exposed...do you think a harasser & bully should run for Manhattan Boro President?

Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot....With her history of abusing co-workers she should not stand as candidate for Manhattan Boro President...she should quit the race effective immediately and apologize to any and all coworkers she harrassed/abused/bullied...her hypocrisy she be fully investigated

[pnwmom]

119. I have seen no evidence that she is a "harasser & bully" except for a story

leaked by the Cuomo administration.

But I don't care whether she's elected to that position of not. This isn't about her, or about her being mean to some employees.

This is about the sexual harassment and/or toxic workplace complaints made against Cuomo.

[caber09]

120. Very defensive...you are proving all our points here...

suddenly you are very concerned...I am going to ask one more time to give you a chance to wiggle out of your hypocrisy...should Boylan, whom coworkers complained about harrassing them...be allowed to run for office, or should she resign/quit her campaign due to past allegations? If your answer is not "yes, she should quit" then you have exposed your hypocrisy

[pnwmom]

121. I don't care about whether she's elected or not. I haven't paid any attention to her race for office

and it's irrelevant to the issue of the toxic culture in Cuomo's office.

And nobody has seen the documents supposedly leaked about her -- and we don't have a single accuser who's been willing to come forward on this -- so how could anybody say the leaks are grounds for her to resign?

[caber09]

122. It is not irrelevant when she helped make the office toxic herself?

Uh oh, someone wants people to come forward, do you want them under oath too? There is already documented complaints about Boylan...she was accused of harassing and bullying her coworkers...according to the bar you have set, she must resign/quit her race...now you dont care about her race...why cant you say she should quit the race then....how come she only came after cuomo again when shes running for office...first time was running vs Nadler, then it was when Cuomo was rumored to be up for AG...and now that she running for Boro President..."supposed leaks" suddenly you dont believe leaks or reports huh...she made her office an unsafe and uncomfortable work environment...this is someone who should be running for office? You cannot even come to terms with this because you are so foregone in your bias..sucks when roles are reversed and Boylan is the accused party...you have been exposed, you got got, you got caught, your hypocrisy is out in the open..dont deny it.

[pnwmom]

123. Documented complaints? Links, please. I haven't seen anything

except for the newspaper article, and reports about it.

But it's IRRELEVANT to the issue of Cuomo.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/nyregion/cuomo-lindsey-boylan.html

Lawyers who work on sexual harassment said that an employee’s work history was immaterial to whether or not they can claim harassment.

“There’s not a defense to harassment that the person was a bad employee,” said Elizabeth Kristen, a senior staff attorney with Legal Aid at Work in San Francisco, adding, “It’s not even relevant. Maybe she was the worst employee in the world, but she could still be harassed.”

[caber09]

124. How is it irrelevant...she is accusing him of what she has been accused of..

in the same office environment...suddenly you are concerned about proven documents and paperwork...you cannot come to even admit that an accused harasser shouldnt be running for office...you are a hypocrite, you have lost any and all credibility because you are just bsing here...most of the cases against Cuomo are based on articles and reports...noone has filed police reports, noone has spoken under oath...boylan doesnt want to testify under oath...you give her a pass on her past problems...why is that? what happened to believe all workers? Sorry you have no leg to stand on here...you are defending an abuser, a bully, a harasser...someone who made her office a living hell for coworkers...and NOW you suddenly want documented stuff....hell Heastie just said all these allegations are based on articles and rumors and allegations....the same thing you are claiming as not being sufficient

[pnwmom]

125. Not a single report I've seen accuses her of SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

That's what he's been accused of, by multiple women, not just Boylan.

And I don't know who said "believe all workers" but it wasn't me. You must be confusing me with somebody else.

[caber09]

127. I didnt say she was accused of sexual harassment...she was accused of bullying and harassing..

causing work to be a toxic environment..similar to what she is accusing happened in the same office...sexual harassment or bullying..she should not be running for office..doing so shows she is a hypocrite..fundraising of this, going after Biden/Harris...setting a PAC to go against other dems...how are you not seeing whats going on here? Why cant you call for her stepping down from running? Several coworkers complained officially about her...why should he quit and she shouldnt? How come she was tweeting out full support for him until she left if this harassment was going on for years...have you seen her Aug 2018 tweet saying she was thankful for working for Cuomo who takes women seriously?

[pnwmom]

130. Where are the official reports showing that complaints were filed against her? I haven't seen any,

have you? Much less the details of them.

[Nixie]

86. So she's using impeaching Cuomo as her political platform during

a political rally? It’s okay for her to play politics with it while accusing others of doing what she is actually doing. That’s rather duplicitous, actually.

[iemanja]

32. False

Eight women have come forward, and I believe them, and the behavior recounted in this article shows that he KNOWS he is guilty. As a voter and woman who cares about equality, it is my right to denounce him and the apologists for sexually predatory behavior.

[Beastly Boy]

42. "He KNOWS he is guilty." How did you come to that conclusion?

Certainly it is not based on any investigation of facts in this matter! You believe someone, that's fine. Have you ever tried to go to court and tell the judge that your boss should resign because you believe he appropriated the money that you believe is yours? Not that I am daring you to try this: you know full well it wouldn't work.

Now, we can either discuss what each of us believes or discuss due process, not both at the same time. (BTW, I believe that most if not all of the accusers were offended in one way or another by Cuomo's conduct), and if discuss what we believe, we may find agreement. But it was never my intention, nor is it the purpose of an independent investigation, to determine who believes what. The whole purpose of conducting an investigation is to factually determine whether the accusations leveled against Cuomo amount to legal jeopardy. And on that front, belief, however strong and genuine, is irrelevant.

[caber09]

45. Amen, well said, thank you for that!

[iemanja]

52. Someone who is innocent

does not interfere with an election by trying to force witnesses to talk to his chosen lawyer. That is consciousness of guilt.

The Democratic State Legislature has opened impeachment hearings. They also have the authority to remove Cuomo.


Did you believe that none of the evidence in the press about Trump constituted facts? Do you believe he is innocent of obstruction of justice because he was never found guilty in a court? We have the word of eight women--not one, not two, not five, not even seven--but eight women who describe similar behavior. Those are facts and demonstrative of guilt.

He is receiving due process. That isn't even an open question. So why do you and other keep repeating it? It's clear from your post that your goal is to enforce silence about Cuomo's behavior. You have no right or capability of silencing me. I will speak about facts as discussed in the reputable print media. I will discuss the fact he appears to be engaging in obstruction, according to this article. The determination of that will depend on the judge, not that the judge's ruling will have any bearing on Cuomo's apologists.

[Beastly Boy]

74. Like I said, what I believe is irrelevant.

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Talking to a lawyer of their choice is the opposite of "force". It is a choice. Talking to an attorney is not consciousness of guilt. It's a right under our law. I am not discussing what I believe, I thought I made it clear. A word from anyone or any number of people does not constitute evidence, or fact, or a demonstration of guilt, unless it is determined to be such by, you guessed it, due process. And yes, Trump is no exception. What you see in the press is not evidence, it's allegations. Big difference. And yes, he is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Just like everybody else. And no, I don't like it either, but my like or dislike doesn't change the law, as yours doesn't either.

Receiving a little bit of due process is not due process. One does not arbitrarily stop receiving due process while it goes on. Due process is only considered received when it's over. THIS is why everybody keeps repeating it. I strongly suspect these pesky repetitions will continue as long as anyone jumps to conclusions before due process is complete, and they will end only AFTER due process takes its full course.

Not only do I not have the right or capability to silence you, I have no faintest desire to do so. Lucky for you, I guess.

And yes, the state legislation has the authority to impeach Cuomo. Thank you for bringing a fact into your post. I sincerely hope you will make it a habit.

Finallly, I will repeat what I said before: I couldn't care less about Cuomo. But I do care about due process. Don't confuse the two.

I hope I am making myself clear. Unless, of course, you still believe that you can make a better determination of what I am making clear than I can. If this remains to be the case, you can just let me know ahead of time what it is that I am making clear, so I can stop wasting my time on making myself clear. It will make our exchanges a lot shorter, and I will always make clear the things you want me to make clear, and only in ways you want me to make them clear. Problem solved, right?

[iemanja]

27. If he were of a lower rank in NY State Government

He would have already been fired.

[dsc]

38. Yes because the people who would be firing him or her

would be the same people who hired him or her. That isn't how it works here. The people of New York hired Mr. Cuomo and they, and only they, should be the ones who decide if he sashays a way or shante he stays.

[iemanja]

40. The DEMOCRATIC state legislature

has opened impeachment hearings. They too can fire him.

It is fascinating to see how determined Cuomo's defenders are to promote inequality: First of men over women and now of an elected official over workers.

I hope those women sue the fuck out of NY state.

[dsc]

44. and if they decide to do that, then that is fine

but I don't think he should resign. Especially, with no investigation.

[iemanja]

55. There is an investigation

and impeachment hearings. That's not even an open question. I think we'll find that you and others here will decide he shouldn't resign even if the AG determines he did commit what his accusers have recounted.

[dsc]

56. actually I would prefer removal to resignation

but after an investigation if he chooses to resign to avoid impeachment that is on him.

[caber09]

47. They should sue...if they are telling the truth absolutely...

And like i said the impeachment process has gotten a little wobbly since like Heastie has said...they arent cooperating and which makes him want them under oath because right now all they have is articles and accusations.

[iemanja]

53. Why wouldn't they be telling the truth?

Why is their an "if" in that sentence? 8 women with similar accounts, and they are supposed to be liars?

[caber09]

54. You are telling me its not odd they wont cooperate and go under oath..

You mentioned the Dem legislature...yes but Boylan said they wont cooperate with them...Innocent until proven guilty, no? Due process no? Boylan etc flipped on Heastie when he said he would want them under oath...let them tell their experiences under oath...at this point at least one of them would want to, no? If the investigation plays out and he is found to be guilty of this of course he should leave, but the fact that none are willing to go under oath is odd.

[iemanja]

60. Keep it up

You point to one person who, according to a tabloid, didn't want to cooperate with the impeachment investigation, NOT the AG's investigation. Then you deliberately and falsely claim that none of the women will cooperate.

You have no credibility. I see you.

[caber09]

63. Boylan said other women won't cooperate either..

She was speaking for them...or are you now going to say we shouldn't listen to what boylan says? You have an agenda and a vendetta against cuomo, I want an investigation to play out..big difference...you want him gone no matter what I want him gone if the investigation says so

[caber09]

64. Keep it up? Is that a threat?

[iemanja]

17. sounds like obstruction of justice

She warned that the involvement of in-house lawyers from Cuomo’s office “will almost certainly deter those with relevant information about” Bennett’s and others’ allegations from coming forward. . . . Katz wrote that she has spoken to witnesses who fear retaliation if they refuse to cooperate with Cuomo’s lawyers.

That is precisely the point of it.

But people here defend it precisely because he is a sexual predator.

Eight women is a pattern of conduct, which is dispositive of guilt. Interfering with the investigation by trying to influence the witnesses' testimony is obstruction of justice. That is felonious activity.

[caber09]

30. None of the 8 are filing police reports, or willing to go under oath (as of now)..

Why are you calling him a sexual predator when they wont do it under oath? They are talking to everyone and everywhere but are being advised not to do so under oath and dont want to cooperate fully...that doesnt seem odd to you?

[iemanja]

39. firstly, harassment isn't a crime

It's a workplace issue. He would have to have assaulted them for it to be criminal.

What is your source for claiming they won't go under oath? That will be part of the AG's investigation, but she hasn't yet called them as witnesses. This resume of the events doesn't repeat your claim: https://www.nytimes.com/article/cuomo-sexual-harassment-nursing-homes-covid-19.html Nor does Google news turn up any results making such claims.
It sounds like a bullshit excuse to me.

Someone who preys on at least 8 women is a sexual predator. It's the very definition of predation. It need not be illegal activity to warrant being removed from office.

I'm sick of the apology for Cuomo, and I know exactly what it's about. It has nothing to do with politics.

[caber09]

48. Their lawyers have advised them not to go under oath..not sure what you dont get..

The young lady who accused Cuomo of groping her wont talk to police or file any police report..the albany police have gone to her...she is refusing....Boylan already said she wont cooperate with "sham" investigations...though she is fundraising quite a bit and going after biden/harris...why is that?

[iemanja]

58. Your source is a tabloid

which doesn't even support the claims above.

There are eight women. You said ALL had refused to go under an oath, which is clearly a deliberately false statement.

Then give more credence to a tabloid than the NY Times. That's who you are.

I bet you say the only issue Franken faced was a photograph.

[caber09]

62. You have him guilty already..

You don't want an investigation, you keep making excuses..I am for the investigation and if proven true he has to go..you are already convicting him while then witnesses are being advised not to talk under oath after talking to investigators...why would they not want to talk under oath after meeting with investigators??

[iemanja]

68. BECAUSE HE IS GUILTY

The investigation is happening. That is a fact.

Repeating false claims multiple times doesn't make them true. It only exposes what you are.

And if you see the post at the end of this thread, Cuomo's team admitted to the behavior that the women's attorney details in the above article. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2716743

[caber09]

71. Wow you have proven yourself and outed yourself..

You don't care what the facts are....why did boylan still teeet out good stuff about cuomo being strong for women? Why did Ana Liss still have a framed photo of her and cuomo in her office...the pic she using as proof? Why would Hinton return to work for him years after the incident she alleges happened? Why would the young lady accusing cuomo of groping her refuse to talk to police or file a report for a crime? why not let the investigation play out..have fun playing judge jury and executioner..most of us want the questions answers and if he is guilty in the eyes of the people that matter...not you...by the authorities then he should go and will go

[iemanja]

73. Yes, I believe women

You believe sexual predators.

I'm perfectly comfortable with my position. You would seem not to be so comfortable with yours.

[caber09]

76. Wrong again

I am 100% comfortable with my position, you on the other hand are flying off the handle, accusing me of siding with sexual predators....and not believing the women because I want a thorough investigation..I listen to the women and believe the women and investigate...you don't want the investigation to play out what are you afraid of....why not let facts come to light..until they are under oath until evidence is provided they are allegations that's it...and I've been pretty clear that if he's found to have something wrong he would have to go. You are basing it allegations which have not been out under oath yet and in several of the case don't want to go under oath. I want the women to tell it all under oath if it's the truth nail him under oath..don't go to papers or tweet. I hope you are never accused of anything you didn't do because karma is a you know what.

[George II]

85. If he's guilty, why bother investigating? The fact is it's NOT a fact, at least until....

....the investigation is completed and he's determined to be guilty.

I don't understand why some aren't interested in waiting for the results of the investigation. What's everyone afraid of?

[Budi]

87. Your words, not mine.

.."Repeating false claims multiple times doesn't make them true. It only exposes what you are."

Why are they being advised not to testify under oath by their OWN ATTORNEYS? Following their hours of investigators questions, no less.

You think they'd be so pissed at what they claim that they'd proudly tell the truth under oath. You know, for all the other #METOO women.

Fool me once ....
pssst..Tara Reade.
Not so easy to bs the next time.
Read & re-read the book "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".

I hope Cuomo files a defamation suit against them & makes them sit before a court, under oath, & tells the elaborate stories they're selling to the gulible.

They make the women who actually have a case more likely to be unbelievable.
And THAT is weaponizing #METOO for political gain.
Just as the very same group tried with Tara Reade.

Do better than this for women who are actually innocent victims.

[caber09]

50. Not hard to find...

https://nypost.com/2021/03/17/lindsey-boylan-wont-cooperate-with-sham-cuomo-impeach-probe/


Lindsey Boylan won’t cooperate with ‘sham’ Cuomo impeachment probe..she is pissed they want her to go under oath...

In a pair of tweets, former Cuomo aide Lindsey Boylan repeatedly attacked Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie (D-Bronx), who last week authorized an impeachment investigation by the Assembly Judiciary Committee.

“Do not trust @CarlHeastie. His impeachment investigation is not designed to be transparent or to move fast, and there’s nothing @NYGovCuomo wants more than time,”

Boylan, now a Democratic candidate for Manhattan borough president, also said that she — and unspecified other women — would not cooperate with the Judiciary Committee’s probe.

Yes she is talking anywhere and everywhere, twitter, papers, magazines, any microphone she can find....including with AG James people...BUT what happens when AG James investigators ask her to go under oath? Will it become a sham like Heasties suddenly became?

Also how come in Aug 2018 Boylan tweets that she is proud of working for a Governor (Cuomo) that takes women seriously!??

[iemanja]

57. Oh, you mean this

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/cuomos-staff-tried-to-smear-lindsey-boylan-report.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/nyregion/cuomo-lindsey-boylan.html

And that allegation isn't even about the AG's investigation but the impeachment process.

Even your tabloid article refutes your claims than NONE of the women have agreed to go under oath:

Meanwhile, another accuser said she was set to spend up to three hours being interviewed by independent investigators conducting a separate probe for Attorney General Letitia James.

[caber09]

59. Under oath??

I said they were speaking to ag James people but they aren't under oath when questioned by investigators are they? You mentioned dem legislature impeachment i shows you quotes from boylan..you said even the tabloid i cited said etc
Etc..so boylans actual quotes don't mean anything? They aren't cooperating with the very same dem legislature you keep mentioning

[iemanja]

65. You claim they REFUSED to go under oath

ALL OF THEM. Yet you have no evidence to support that claim. Your once so-called source is a TABLOID that says ONE woman didn't want to cooperate with the impeachment investigation, not the AG's.

If they aren't under oath, the AG hasn't yet put them under oath. You might as well say that Cuomo has refused to go under oath, since he hasn't done so either. You have repeatedly made the same demonstrably false allegation. No matter how many falsehoods you spread, epithet women are not lying. One can't say the same for you.

Boylan's quotes say nothing to disprove her claim of harassment. She believes the Impeachment investigation is a sham and she doesn't trust the politicians who are running it. That doesn't prove that she is lying about Cuomo. What the quotes provide is an excuse for the harassment apologists to do everything in their power to ensure men have unfettered rights to use women at will. That is the issue here. The politics is a excuse.

[caber09]

69. I see you are all about allegations and zero about seeing the proof..

You are exposing that you don't want justice you want blood before it's proven or determined...maybe let it play out, you keep making excuses for them..let them testify odd that after speaking to investigators lawyers would have to say they advise not go under oath that's a huge red flag..have fun with you obsession before the investigation plays out...I get it you are getting mad that it's not a done deal or set in stone. Maybe you'll get what you want...maybe I will get what I want and that's the truth either way. You've already convicted him just like franken...never franken any again let the investigation play out

[iemanja]

66. Give it up

You've already revealed yourself.

[caber09]

72. Are you piling it or shoveling it bec whatever it is it stinks

Have a good night being so angry and so hateful as to not want the truth to come out and let's let it be determined by facts let's see how this unfolds

[Budi]

101. As have you.

Night!

[pnwmom]

22. Cuomo's spokesperson confirmed that they're been conducting the parallel review.

The "outside counsel" she refers to here represents the Governor's Executive Chamber. So she is telling employees that they "may" choose to use the same attorneys as the Governor. No pressure, though.




https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/03/22/exclusive-debra-katz-charlotte-bennett-attorney-interview/

Beth Garvey, the governor’s acting counsel, said the attorney general was informed of the parallel review and defended the decision to hire lawyers to represent staff.

“Employees have been advised that, if they want to be represented by a lawyer in this matter, they may choose private counsel or the outside counsel that is representing the Chamber.” Garvey said

[George II]

84. That's what people who are accused do. They conduct their OWN review to get the facts....

Until they're accused of something they don't know they've done, they don't worry about facts or fiction.

I've been involved in more than one sworn deposition (civil, and that's what this is so far), none under subpoena. I welcomed them since I was the complainant/"accuser".

It's amazing how some of the accusers are perfectly happy litigating in the press and Twitter and Facebook, but when requested to testify under oath they suddenly go mute.

Fine, only testify under oath as a result of a subpoena, but STOP tweeting and going to rallies and the press.

They can't have it all!

[Budi]

89. Exactly!

Cuomo has a right to fact find.

"That's what people who are accused do. They conduct their OWN review to get the facts"

For them to now wail that he's interfering, is just part of their game to keep the truth from being told. Like why they won't testify under oath either.
It is a shift the blame game because their stories are salacious gossip to damage the character of a sitting Govenor.
It is political.

[caber09]

90. I wouldnt be surprised if they expected him to resign asap without fighting back...

or get quickly impeached...After the usual Franken like premature calls...And now they are deep in the weeds...I am curious to see what happens when they are called under oath after already swearing off going under oath with the impeachment inquiry.

[Budi]

95. Yup. It's already going off the rails, so now they're accusing him of Interfering!!

I mean, c'mon when your own attorney advises not to testify under oath after 3 hrs of interviews, then somethings not quite adding up & that issue can only be perjury.

Guess they've moved on to a new & better accusation.
Yet even now, that's found to be bs too.

We know damned well what this is really about..& so does Gov Cuomo.

He'd probably win again if he ran in 2022.
💙

[caber09]

97. Going to be interesting when Boylans actions of harassing & bullying her co workers comes up too

[Budi]

99. Yup. Someone's going to have to explain a few things.

I predict a humiliating revelation.

In my opinion ~💙

[caber09]

103. Look above, someone said it doesnt matter that Boylan was accused of harrassment...

in the same work place...saying irrelevant and wouldnt be brought up...really? really?

[Budi]

105. They said that about Tara Reade too, when they had to walk back their pile on, ..

...right before they all went totaly silent.
Never spoke her name again.

Moved right along, they did.
Crazy huh!

[caber09]

107. Look above in this thread..the temperament changes when Boylan is put in the hot seat...

"unhappy employees" "unverified leaks" "irrelevant" I mean no surprise but the bias has been exposed.

[Budi]

110. Yes it has

And so begins the great unravelling...

[caber09]

111. Since Boylan harassed and bullied her coworkers, she must quit the Manhattan Boro Pres race ASAP!

No if ands or buts, she must quit! Watch their tone change now

[Budi]

112. Agree. She MUST own her past deeds & Drop Out asap.

#DropOutNowBoylan

[caber09]

113. As a NYer I cannot accept an abuser & harasser running for Manhattan Boro President..

She must quit now, why hasnt she quit yet, why is she still running...does her thirst for power mean more than those coworkers she belittled? As a NYer I cannot live with having a known harrasser participate in this election, she must quit the race now!

[Budi]

114. K & R

Good night NY~

[caber09]

115. Thanks..good night to you too!

[pnwmom]

93. Not when they are the employer of the person doing the accusing

and of multiple witnesses.

There's a profound conflict of interest in this situation.

[caber09]

94. are you looking forward to all of the accusers who complained about Boylan coming forward too?

I hope you are consistent in your beliefs because she was cited for harassment and bullying

[Budi]

98. That's right. I forgot about her past history . Ya think she's made some enemies along the way?

Man, Boylen really needs to be under oath & start talking her talk. UNDER OATH

That's be wild. 😬

[pnwmom]

126. Sure, they should. If they have anything serious to report. But if it's not sexual harassment,

it's completely irrelevant to the case against Cuomo.

[caber09]

128. How is it not relevant?

Same office, similar harassment/toxic environment accusations..surely she couldnt be projecting right? Their experiences are very relevant to the situation and to putting together the office work environment. If anything, she is going to drag the others down with her and hurt their own cases. Hitching themselves to her will not bode well for the other women.

[pnwmom]

129. You can't say anything's similar, because none of these woman have spoken out.

All we have are some bits and pieces of leaked claims, through the filter of a story in a newspaper.

For all we know, the complainers were terrible at their jobs and didn't like how Boylan informed them of their mistakes. WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING because no one connected to that report has come forward.

If they really think their experiences are relevant, they are free to come forward.

[caber09]

131. LOL your hypocrisy knows no bounds..

This is great bec it proves you are biased and lack any credibility on this...suddenly you are very concerned about leaks and rumors and maybe they were bad workers LOL it's quite hilarious your 180 bec boylan is a known bully and harasser