Manchin Says Any Overhaul of Voting Rights Must Have GOP Support
Source: Bloomberg
Democratic Senator Joe Manchin said any voting-rights legislation must be bipartisan to be accepted as legitimate by U.S. voters, complicating the path to passing a bill that is a top goal of Democratic leaders but opposed by Republicans.
At issue is S. 1, the Senate counterpart to a House-passed bill that Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has said is crucial to counter efforts in Republican-led states to set new limits on voter access.
While some Democrats say the Senate bill is so essential for American democracy that they are willing to force it through on a party-line vote, Manchin said any overhaul of election laws should be limited to what at least some Republicans also support.
We should not at all attempt to do anything to that will create more distrust and division, Manchin told reporters on Wednesday. So I think theres enough good that we can all come together. Thats what we should work on.
Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/manchin-says-any-overhaul-of-voting-rights-must-have-gop-support
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)His nether regions are going to be mighty sore. Yeah, he's ours, but damn... I'm so tired of the games.
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)who is so worried about their poor widdle feelings that he is crippling the Biden administration in McConnell's place.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)MOMFUDSKI
(5,500 posts)The word is that we NEED a dem in that wacko state so keep him happy. I say we have a better chance with a rethug. This guy sucks.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)As much as I despise Manchin and his ego right now, he IS better than a GOPer. Hopefully President Biden and Leader Schumer can figure out how to persuade Manchin to see the light on voting rights.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)ColinC
(8,289 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 24, 2021, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)
I think it's clear though, that if the GOP refuses to negotiate in good faith and vote for the changes they propose, he will probably support the Democrat's version.
Also, maybe it isn't too far fetched to think Romney, Collins or Murkowski would support a good bill.
sdfernando
(4,930 posts)doesn't matter if its bi-partisan or not. the MAJORITY of the U.S. population supports an overhaul of voting rights. Its the GQP politicians and racist a-holes that will never accept it as legitimate.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,582 posts)He knows he's sitting in the catbird seat, and that he can do whatever he wants for any reason he wants -- or no reason at all. He might have been beaten up on the playground as a kid and now he's getting revenge. Who knows what's going through his mind. All we know is he has the power to sabotage Biden's entire agenda, and thus the well-being of the entire population of the United States. How many people are going to die because of this asshole's intransigence?
brush
(53,764 posts)Party agenda items? It's always him with this BS.
agingdem
(7,845 posts)K-I-S-S-I-N-G...they are the living embodiment of "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"...
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)and what a couple of quasi "bipartisan" pricks. One RepubliCON and One Democrat...........
liberalgunwilltravel
(326 posts)Manchin declared that the Emancipation Proclamation can only be observed if slave states agree.
HUAJIAO
(2,383 posts)royable
(1,264 posts)onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)Celerity
(43,317 posts)msongs
(67,395 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)Nothing is going to get done as long as Manchin controls that 50th vote.
Afrocat
(2,768 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Afrocat
(2,768 posts)have a nice day.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)The filibuster is a construct that takes a simple majority to eliminate, so it isn't a constitutional barrier to statehood. Here's the pertinent law from the constitution:
Article 4, Section 3, Clause 1:
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
That's it. That's the law. It would take a congressional Act, passed by both houses of congress (which, again, can be accomplished by a simple majority), to start the process.
The Act would define the process by which the state is admitted. Maybe the Act would require a plebiscite about statehood or the state to have its constitution ready to go. It's really up to the people who write and pass the Act. Here is the text from the Act introduced in the house last year: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/4901/text
For Puerto Rico, the path to statehood would be clear sailing.
The difference between D.C. and Puerto Rico is that D.C. is a federal district and not a territory. D.C. is not in the jurisdiction of any other state (the federal government is not a state). This site does a fantastic job of summarizing the constitutional law that enables a D.C. statehood Act:
http://www.dcstatehoodyeswecan.org/j/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=202&Itemid=160
Raven123
(4,828 posts)FBaggins
(26,727 posts)Raven123
(4,828 posts)I do understand the limited use of reconciliation. It just seems that Manchin sings the same song incessantly, so that reconciliation will be the only process by which anything will pass in the Senate. Unless he changes his tune, voting rights legislation is doomed.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)I just read that West Virginia has the highest rate of HIV in the nation.
Help your people Senator.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)The one about Felons being allowed to vote after serving their obligations to the community.
Everything else? Does not constitute any changes to 'voting rights'.
Sick of this framing.
This bill is in no way changing 'who has a right to vote' (with single above exception) SO STOP CALLING IT THAT.
How about "Protecting Your Right To Vote"?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Count your blessings, everyone!
montanacowboy
(6,083 posts)Lindsay Graham of Democrats
What a worthless POS
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)Jay25
(417 posts)are interfering with voter rights, yet he is not addressing that issue.
If Democrats dont pass a voter rights bill to counter these republicans, we are screwed.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)we've had several opportunities to elect additional, even progressive senators.
We will have another several opportunities in 2022. We can't fail this time. If we succeed, Manchin becomes irrelevant, Sinema too.
Lunabell
(6,078 posts)What part of him is in the party? A pinky toe? Seriously, why is he here?
mucifer
(23,530 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)just like he is yet another Putin Pawn, it seems...........
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Doing nothing in the senate means going backwards. Bipartisanship would mean what?
CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)He doesn't seem to understand how radical the GOP has become. He doesn't seems to understand the threat they pose to our country.
Saying that you want the support of Republicans before you take action is like saying you want the support of Hitler & the Nazis before you invade Europe.
FUCK THEM. FUCK THEIR "SUPPORT." THEY HAVE DECLARED THEMSELVES THE ENEMY. THIS IS A MATTER OF DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)FUCK THIS ASSHOLE! I do NOT DO NOT care if this guy has a fucking D next to his name. I'm tired of this fucking asshole and the other asshole from Arizona holding our fucking shit hostage because of their bullshit. GET ON BOARD OR FUCK OFF!
progree
(10,901 posts)...
and grabbing them by the throat ...
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)ananda
(28,858 posts)Somebody needs to put pressure on Manchin.
Harker
(14,012 posts)It's really that easy.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)He's the Centrist. Why doesn't he stick his neck out there to lobby a cause to the other idiots.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Knock some sense into him,and get rid of his rethug fetish.
It's time for Biden to kick Manchin's ass.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)iluvtennis
(19,850 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)... how about Lisa in Alaska... she has benefited from more opportunities to vote. Mitt Romney is another who might be game... may some of retiring Republicans, too...
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)given that it ensures they'll be voted out, probably forever.
Jackass.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)will shake a few to their core and convince them to participate in some fashion, even if as opposition minority. We do have to figure out how to win in red states, and for that we must understand how they think and how their twisted supporters behave. This may help.
Cheezoholic
(2,016 posts)The good thing is he's walking and talking the same way he has since he came to the Senate. I would be more concerned if he changed course suddenly because of the perceived power he now has. But he's not deviated much from the pain in the democrats ass he's always been.
Yes absolutely, the Democrats need to get their heads out of the large metropolises, go out and regain their original base that they championed for decades and lost touch with in the 90's. Even though most parents want their kids to have a better life than them, they also don't want to be left in the dust. Democrats desperately need to invest in local, county and state level races and bring back those that brought them to the dance in the first place. The right has capitalized on that feeling of abandonment in the smaller population centers.
marmar
(77,073 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)does he not see them taking away our voting rights?
applegrove
(118,622 posts)democracy but just can't get there. McCain saved healthcare and will always be remembered for that above all else. I guess GOP psy-ops didn't work on McCain.
OMGWTF
(3,951 posts)Fuck you Manchin you GD traitor. I am sick of your crap. Get off your fking power trip and DO THE RIGHT THING!
Botany
(70,490 posts)The state is owned by coal, energy producers, and chemical companies. My bet is that Manchin
is owned too.
We should not at all attempt to do anything to that will create more distrust and division, Manchin.
Distrust and division? See Florida 2000, Ohio 2004, Trump/Russia 2016, 1/6/21, 2018 Florida and
Georgia elections, and so on.
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)Neither the U.S. House nor Senate isn't the barometer of bipartisanship.
ZonkerHarris
(24,221 posts)Manchin is a gullible idiot or a willing fool.
It's like saying "When Nazi's say they love Jews we can talk about legislation to protect Jewish people"
puleeeeze
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Bristlecone
(10,125 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Any Democratic measure to assure voting rights must have GOP support, but the GOP can pass 250 voter suppression laws with no Democratic support?
Sure, Joe.
GB_RN
(2,347 posts)That the GOPQ basically has veto power over any voting rights legislation, because they wont VOTE for any voting rights legislation. Hes also saying that the GOPQ will have a permanent ability to say who gets to vote (and not vote) for Democrats.
I hate this asshole.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Regardless of the D after his name, he is doing his part to screw over much needed progress in this country.
Just who the fuck does he think he is! Wouldnt it be interesting if gqprs cared so much to represent their constituents of the opposing political party!
This guy is a disgraceful power whore.
caraher
(6,278 posts)I'm perfectly willing to live with feelings of distrust emanating from Republicans if it means preserving small-d democracy.
czarjak
(11,266 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)His stance means all Republicans need to do is to sit on their hands and they win. Can Manchin name a single Republican that would agree to a single provision in S-1? I thought so. Fairness in elections is the last thing Republicans want so why would Manchin think one might step forward -- is he that naïve.
ffr
(22,669 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,221 posts)c input.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)you cannot bargain with people who itnend to cheat and know that they will be rewarded for cheating.
Martin68
(22,791 posts)EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)didn't work their arses off to get us the Senate majority, just to trade McConnell for Manchin. This just can't be happening.
Someone needs to tell him that the voters are unhappy because of HIM.
Firestorm49
(4,032 posts)and Manchin wants Republican support?
Am I hallucinating or what! He needs to be primaried.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Republican voters like voting by mail, and they like early voting. Trump himself did both in Florida.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/19/903886567/trump-while-attacking-mail-voting-casts-mail-ballot-again
It's just t like the Rescue bill, that had 59% Republican voter support, but got 0 votes from Senate Republicans.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)as the evil villain who could have saved democracy in the United States, but instead chose to end democracy in America, and allow fascists to establish permanent minority rule fascist dictatorship instead.
There is no center here. No middle ground. He either stands up for democracy, or deliberately hands our country over to the fascists.
Permanently. Once the fascists suppress voting, through red state Republican legislatures limiting access of everyone but Republicans in those states to the polls, they will stop at nothing to force minority fascist rule upon us.
They are not even trying to hide what they are doing, and Senator Manchin is fully aware of this.
Not allowing HR 1/S 1 to pass is allowing the terrorist insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol to achieve their goal of ending democracy and overthrowing the government of the US, and installing Trump as dictator.
Does Senator Manchin really want to be that guy?
dlk
(11,552 posts)Stopping coordinated and massive voter suppression by Republicans is not an overhaul. Stopping the criminalization of kindness in Georgia, where they want to outlaw giving water or food to voters waiting for hours in line is not an overhaul. To say that any of the voting protections written in the Democratic bills are some type of overhaul is disingenuous, at best. Republicans openly are stealing Americans voting rights. If theyre not stopped, our democracy is over. Theres no middle ground to be found here.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)something he deems as important. The Voting Rights act is a civil rights bill, thus not something worthy, in his mind, to disturb the filibuster.
And it is frustrating as fuck.
He knows that republicans support nothing when it comes to removing barriers to voting. He doesn't care about gerrymandering, either. He doesn't care that his party will be fighting uphill battles across the country to vote.
I don't know why he feels this way. It's clear he wants the bill to die on the vine, though.