Suspect nabbed for stomping of Asian woman in caught-on-video Manhattan hate crime

[brooklynite]

Source: New York Daily News

Cops have charged a man out on parole for killing his mother with the caught-on-video stomping of a 65-year-old Asian woman outside a luxury Manhattan building, a hate crime that shocked the city, officials said Tuesday.

Brandon Elliot, 38, was charged with assault as a hate crime at 1:10 a.m. Wednesday after cops received numerous Crime Stoppers tips, authorities said.

In 2002 Elliot, then 19, was arrested for fatally stabbing his mother three times in the chest in front of his sister, who was 5, in the Bronx. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.

He was released on lifetime parole just 16 months ago.

Read more: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-suspect-arrested-asian-woman-stomped-hate-crime-20210331-2odlh5fcgjh5lp5b2wpxeh4p44-story.html

[riversedge]

1. To say the least--he is a dangerous man.

[soothsayer]

2. First of all, great! Second, I didn't know lifetime parole was a thing

That sounds like a good measure in cases like this.

[ck4829]

3. The "prisons are filling up with non-violent mandatory mins, we need to release some people" policy

[Salviati]

48. While generally that's probably a good thing...

... I think someone botched when they approved this guy for parole. A mistake I hope they don't make again.

[LisaL]

4. Wow.

Especially given the suspect's history, the woman is lucky to be alive.

[babylonsister]

5. WTF! Parole for fatally stabbing his mother???

[Ms. Toad]

45. He was incarcerated for 19 years.

The lifetime parole is AFTER being incarcerated since 2002.

[babylonsister]

49. I think they should have thrown away the key. nt

[Ms. Toad]

53. Not with what we know about brain development.

Brains, specifically the prefrontal cortex (impulse control/risk-taking behavior/judgment), do not fully mature until around age 25. He was 19 at the time.

While that doesn't excuse the behavior, and it guarantee that he will behave better in 6 years, it does justify not locking up teens and throwing away the key.

[babylonsister]

62. I think anyone who can kill their mother must

have a major screw loose. And I don't think anything is guaranteed. There are bad seeds out there; he seems to be following that pattern.

[Ms. Toad]

64. Aren't we supposed to be the party that believes in science? n/t

[msongs]

65. based on his recent behavior his brain has not developed much since teens nt

[Ms. Toad]

68. Now is not the relevant time period.

The decision as to whether to lock him up and throw away the key was made when he was 19, when the part of his brain most relevant to his behavior was not yet fully developed.

Not to mention this is an N of 1. Should we use the violent behavior one illegal immigrant to justify onerous immigration policies (based on the theory that they are all violent)?

[keithbvadu2]

6. real he-men, tough guys... small women

real he-men, tough guys... small women

big tough guy beats on small asian woman.

has to pick on old, small women.

his family must be so proud of him.

looks like the cops let her keep her stick.

https://i.imgur.com/gGxABcM.mp4

[smirkymonkey]

7. This man is a danger to society, especially to women.

Throw him back in prison and throw away the key. I don’t think someone that violent and hateful toward women will ever be rehabilitated.

[area51]

30. +1 n/t

[samnsara]

8. can that poor woman sue the state for letting him out?

[Calista241]

50. I doubt it. Nobody would ever get parole if the state or people were held liable for prisoners

the get out and committing more crime.

[2naSalit]

9. He doesn't seem to be rehabilitated.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

10. He might want to return to prison anyway.

Earlier reports stated that he was homeless.

I certainly hope that such a dangerous person wasn't released from prison if he didn't even want to be released!

[PutGramaOnThePhone]

18. As with...

being sent to prison, I’d be surprised if anyone can choose to decline release, other then perhaps choosing by acting out in prison, or not cooperating in the parole process.

[johnthewoodworker]

11. I think he might learn something in a prison religion program.

[tiptonic]

13. Huh

Huh!!!

[johnthewoodworker]

14. It seems that a large male attacking a non-threatening female is anti-religious. But maybe I'm wrong

[yardwork]

23. My perception of most religions is different from yours, it seems.

[LiberalLovinLug]

69. No its pro-religious

Christianity...has a whole history of torturing and burning women who threaten their patriarchal power. Establishing all kinds of cults to the present day based off of that religion where a leader takes young daughters of believers as wives to abuse and rape freely. Or are ordered to poison themselves. Or create a climate where the mentally ill who adheres to that "faith", might shoot up an abortion clinic. A religion where, if they had their way, women needing an abortion would have to go into back alleys again with a coat hanger instead of a clean bed and doctor.

Of course other religions have their own horror stories. Burning alive women, girls, that are simply accused of non marital sex. Other religions would have them stoned to death.

I've never heard of any attack in any way by a male on a female, attributed to their atheism.

[Lars39]

19. He's probably already been in that program.

He's been in prison 17 years.

[padah513]

12. Is it me or does the world seem to be turning a lot more evil?

Or was this sort of thing always going on and I've been asleep for the last 60 years? y

[Elessar Zappa]

15. It's always happened.

Last edited Wed Mar 31, 2021, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Actually, violent crime rates now are as low as they were in the 50s and early 60s. Crime was very high from the 70s to 90s and has plummeted since then. The difference is that with 24/7 news and social media we hear about every bad incident in the country. Before only local news would have covered it. Of course right now we're going through a period of horrid of anti Asian violence that is inexcusable.

[oldsoftie]

29. Very true. Same with child abductions. You'd think they happen every hour.

And plenty of people out there who are more than willing to push that narrative too

[Elessar Zappa]

67. Yeah, I always hear people

say that when they were young they didn't have to worry about being kidnapped like kids do nowadays when, in fact, child abduction rates have always been fairly steady (and uncommon).

[bucolic_frolic]

16. He has issues with old ladies

Someone in authority should take notice.

[yardwork]

24. He was 19 when he killed his mother in front of his 5 year old sister.

He seems to hate women.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. Yes, that's what I said in an eyebrow raising kind of way

Understatement a kind of subtle sarcasm.

[judesedit]

17. Big tough guy beats on women. What a pussy

Maybe someone will do the same for him in prison

[maxsolomon]

46. and there it is!

the first call for extra-judicial punishment!

it took 17 posts, but you never fail, DU.

[BradAllison]

54. That's your takeaway?

Wow. Make sure you don't strain your neck with your nose held so high.

[maxsolomon]

58. THEIR takeaway was to wish him beaten in prison.

It's a constant in discussion of crimes on "Liberal" DU: calls for prisoners to exact vengeance, along with wishing convicts to be raped as retribution. So yeah, that's my takeaway.

Do YOU think he should be assaulted in prison? Who should do it, guards or prisoners?

[BradAllison]

61. I'm glad he's been arrested (n/m)

[Devil Child]

63. Yes. Ideally guards and prisoners.

[JudyM]

66. Not to mention the sexist insult.

[58Sunliner]

73. Pussy doesn't have anything to do with this violent asshole.

[llashram]

20. good

now let's discuss, his reasoning for perpetrating and perpetuating hate such as this. How can the meanness of the time make people so very unkind. Is it fear of climate change so all is lost? Are race relations being at our current point where extreme racial hate is openly embraced again because a very damaged potus encouraged and enabled the hate? Is it pandemic fear and since a past POTUS encouraged this type of hate against Asians?

We are our brothers and sisters keeper, no matter who...I feel.

[MichMan]

35. He murdered his mother 18 years ago and cleary is deranged

And you are wondering what recent events caused him to perpetrate more violence?

[llashram]

38. no

Is clear mentally unstable, yet he was released from prison...why, I wonder. Surely he was there and is a dangerous person. My disgust is where we are with the American race problem at 350+ years and counting...

[OldCicero]

47. Well, here's one bluecheck who agrees.

Link to tweet

[llashram]

51. yes

[Mosby]

59. That poster was ratioed pretty hard. nt

[58Sunliner]

76. Maybe he was dropped on his head. Do you think he is sane?

If so, keep guessing as to his motives. Ascribing rational motives to mentally ill people is futile. It would be like listening to a rapist tell you why they rape. Some try to give you a reason, but the only reason is mental defect.

[qanda]

21. They should also arrest those who didn't come to the woman's aid.

Ridiculous!

[oldsoftie]

28. Especially after the attacker left. And apparently they were SECURITY!!

I dont know if they can be arrested but something needs to be done.

[wnylib]

32. It's possible that fear of being shot or

knifed kept the security men from intervening since so many people are armed today.

But why didn't they come to her aid afterward?

[secondwind]

33. They even closed the door to the outside. Did they even

call for help??

[wnylib]

37. Closing the door means more concern

about protecting themselves and their building than the victim of the attack. I would hope that they would at least have called 911, but who knows?

[OnlinePoker]

40. You don't know what their contract says.

If they are security for the building and not the sidewalk, they could be in danger of losing their jobs if they intervened. This has happened in businesses like 7-11 where clerks have been fired for fighting back when protecting themselves. Also, their insurance might be voided if they intervene and are somehow injured.

[wnylib]

56. Pity that legalized insularism and

corporate interests take precedence over human life and dignity. I guess it's times like the attack on that woman that bring out one's core values. To be or not to be. Do the right thing and face the consequences, or do the corporate thing and live with what you've become. There are other jobs, but how many other selves are there?
Hope the contract would not forbid calling 911.

[Decoy of Fenris]

70. Having worked security, that's often a false choice. Help people, you risk lawsuits or jailtime.

Although this isn't exactly common, it does happen; where help and aid is offered to someone who has been in an accident/assaulted, and the person receiving aid (for whatever psychopathic reason) decides to hold you accountable and sue you or try to have you arrested. Most of this time the person rendering aid will be protected by a Good Samaritan law of some permutation, but if you're unfamiliar with your local statutes, it's a safer bet personally to just let the proper authorities handle it when they arrive. As you mention, there's also many cases in security contracting where handling anything outside your contract is a termination-worthy offense if not more.

It's shitty, but you can blame both the fucked up legal system as well as those opportunistic victims for making this such a cost-benefit analysis: Risk losing your well-paying and secure livelihood (possibly with pension) and potentially be sued/arrested for any number of trumped up charges by the person you're trying to help. For what? A bit of feel-good? A content sense of self isn't going to fill the bellies of your children, and neither are you, if you end up behind bars paying the price for your high moral standard.

[wnylib]

71. "A bit of feelgood?"

So now people who help other people are just doing it for the warm fuzzies??? Oh my. There are so many other ways to feel good in life.

If it's an emergency that requires immediate attention, I will respond, not for warm fuzzies, but because there is a person in need. It's a reflex action. If I am not qualified or equipped to help, then I will call for help from people who can do something. I am not a "heroic" type. I do not need emergencies to make me feel good. I just believe that we are our brothers' and sisters' keepers. I could not live with myself or my conscience if I did not help when it was needed and I was able.

There are other jobs besides security where employees are told to "stay out of it." That might be good advice if the situation is not urgent. I have worked in retail, and my husband was a retail manager. Employees are told not to physically stop shoplifters, but to call security, a manager, or just get details, like a description, time (for security cameras), car description, etc., depending on the company and its policies. That makes sense. It is not an emergency.

I saw an employee physically tackle and hold down a shopper that he saw stealing. He did not get fired, although I think he should have been because he was a super macho idiot in general. He did get a written warning. We found out later, from police, that the customer had a communicable disease, so the dumbass employee sweated it out until he was reasonably sure that he had not picked it up from his stupid stunt.

But, if it is a real emergency, I will act, regardless of policy.

[Decoy of Fenris]

72. Of course, YMMV as in all things. All people are different.

Put simply, we don't know what the onlookers did or didn't do. If they were filling out reports, calling emergency services, calling superiors; for all we know, they were doing exactly what they could within the constraints of their employment/contracts. Likewise, closing and locking the doors may be the first part of those procedures. Back when I was working as a dealer in a casino, if a fight broke out at my table, the procedure was to throw the lid on the chips, but otherwise DO NOT interfere under penalty of firing at the bare minimum. Quite often, if anyone other than security tried to break up a fight, they were sued by both parties involved, so it became a matter of policy. Hell, I watched while a patron had a heart attack about twenty feet away; he ended up dying, and his family tried to sue the casino and security staff who were administrating aid because they weren't licensed EMTs (EMTs showed up about a minute after security did.) In today's sue-happy culture, helping people is often seen as a weakness to be exploited by the greedy and the cynical.

We don't know the situation in these peoples' lives. Maybe they're only one paycheck from eviction and helping a person is a risk they can't take, because it may very well put their family out on the streets. We simply don't know enough; too many variables.

Personally I'm in the same boat as you. If there's an emergency, I'll do everything I can and within my power to render aid, regardless of circumstances. There's a reason I got out of Security/Casino work; the moral 'grey' you're expected to have eventually got to me.

[oldsoftie]

42. Thats my point; the attacker was gone.

[wnylib]

57. Indeed.

[JohnSJ]

34. +++

[MineralMan]

36. In most states, people do not have a legal responsibility

to intervene if they witness a violent crime. As for coming to the woman's aid after she was injured, calling 911 is a sufficient legal response.

Keep the word "legal" in mind. That's very different from having a moral responsibility.

[bluestarone]

74. Very good point!

Calling 911 is the only answer here. Easy to second guess some of these situations.

[llashram]

39. some kind of

official query at least. Very telling at describing the meanness in the streets. Yet a person, an EMT/First responder-fireperson wanted to truly help George Floyd at that incident. Cops in charge would not let her. Her compassion is light and counters this type of incident.

I can only try to pass the kindness on somewhere in my day, if possible.

[greenjar_01]

22. Guy did his Min plus a deuce

Not really standard for a knife murder, I have to say.

[alphafemale]

25. And once again it is shown that murderers should never be paroled

Especially something as vicious as his crime was.

[oldsoftie]

27. Amen to that! nt

[Shrike47]

60. There are murderers and murderers. Really. Broad generalizations don't cover all the possibilities.

[alphafemale]

75. I'm talking vicious murder like this guy stabbing his own mother to death

In front of his 5 year old sister.

Someone like him should have been locked away in a cage from normal people until he died.

[OldCicero]

31. AG Merrick Garland hones in on hate crime enforcement, calls for 30-day review

And he better come down on this Asian hate crime like a ton of bricks as an example.
The same for the girls who murdered the Asian uber eats driver in DC, the poor 74 yo Asian grandfather in Phoenix, the dude who choked out an Asian passenger on the NY subway, and whatever the hell is going on in San Francisco.

AG Garland doesn't need a 30-day review, he needs to get on this before more happens.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/30/garland-launches-review-us-hate-crime-tracking-enforcement/4805988001/

[Quakerfriend]

41. I'm so relieved to know he's been apprehended but,

Has anyone heard anything re: how the victim is doing?

[oldsoftie]

43. This morning CBS said she's "doing well & recovering at home"

Hopefully nothing was broken

[Quakerfriend]

44. Thanks! Good to know.

[iluvtennis]

52. Good that he has been apprehended. Lock. Him. UP. nt

[YoshidaYui]

55. Good, well send him back to Prison

for another 15 to life.

[alphafemale]

77. Since he was on permanent probation they should not even need to go to trial.

Send him back to prison for the original offense.

Go to trial for this assault later.