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peppertree

(21,624 posts)
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 02:51 PM Apr 2021

Derek Chauvin used force against suspects before George Floyd. The jury won't hear about 6 of those

Source: USA Today

Seventeen complaints filed with Minneapolis police about Derek Chauvin. Six times in which prosecutors say Chauvin used force against arrestees. George Floyd's arrest for aggravated robbery in 2007.

The jury considering murder and manslaughter charges against Chauvin won't hear about any of those incidents. Their verdict may be influenced as much by what they don't know as what they do.

Chauvin, a white former Minneapolis police officer, is accused of killing Floyd, 46, a Black man, by pressing his knee into Floyd's neck as he lay handcuffed on the ground.

In the run-up to the trial, both sides sought to introduce evidence about Chauvin and Floyd's past actions.

Prosecutors wanted to introduce eight incidents involving Chauvin. Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill allowed two of them.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/01/derek-chauvin-trial-past-violence-force-arrestee-george-floyd/7020506002/





Defense attorney Eric Nelson and disgraced Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin: The fix is in?
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Derek Chauvin used force against suspects before George Floyd. The jury won't hear about 6 of those (Original Post) peppertree Apr 2021 OP
He's killed 5 or 6 soothsayer Apr 2021 #1
Typical Nazi psychopath peppertree Apr 2021 #2
Chauvin is being tried on state charges. rsdsharp Apr 2021 #6
True - but HAD Cheeto been re-installed, he would've made sure the Extreme Court changed that ASAP peppertree Apr 2021 #7
Uh, no. That's in Article II of the Constitution. rsdsharp Apr 2021 #8
Sure - but you can imagine how much all that matters to Boofman, Pubic Hair, and Scalito peppertree Apr 2021 #9
I don't think that's accurate, and in any event, rsdsharp Apr 2021 #10
There's Whoresuch and the Handmaid too, don't forget peppertree Apr 2021 #11
There were, I believe, three cases related to the election rsdsharp Apr 2021 #12
Sure - but imagine, if you will, an outcome in which Trump HAD succeeded peppertree Apr 2021 #13
You have your fantasies, I have mine. rsdsharp Apr 2021 #14
That is what I read PatSeg Apr 2021 #4
Link(s)? HighFired49 Apr 2021 #24
Sorry, it was very recent PatSeg Apr 2021 #25
WTF? That seems awfully relevant to the case if there is an established pattern. nt Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #3
Precisely why the judge won't allow it peppertree Apr 2021 #5
My God. Please say that's not the case. The judge has been very curt with the EMT for example. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #15
I wouldn't say that's necessarily the case - but that it's possible peppertree Apr 2021 #16
The "intimidation" of judges is a very disturbing component of life in the "new normal." WW west. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #19
+1 peppertree Apr 2021 #20
Had the judge allowed all of the incidents to be told to the jury then it could have risked any cstanleytech Apr 2021 #21
I will trust your insight Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #26
It would result in a mistrial Deminpenn Apr 2021 #28
The judge is a Chauvinist Hugh Bloody Bastards Apr 2021 #17
Huzzah! peppertree Apr 2021 #18
Or, the judge may be familiar with the rules of evidence and does not want to be reversed on appeal. TomSlick Apr 2021 #23
Evidence of prior uncharged misconduct is tough. TomSlick Apr 2021 #22
Judge is doing everything possible to help Chauvin. lark Apr 2021 #27

peppertree

(21,624 posts)
2. Typical Nazi psychopath
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 03:00 PM
Apr 2021

Had Needy Amin succeeded in installing himself for a second term, Chauvin would've been pardoned - and then hired on as a Faux News talking head.

That second part might happen anyway of course.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
6. Chauvin is being tried on state charges.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:02 PM
Apr 2021

The President, any President, only has the power to pardon for Federal offenses.

peppertree

(21,624 posts)
7. True - but HAD Cheeto been re-installed, he would've made sure the Extreme Court changed that ASAP
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:11 PM
Apr 2021

"State charges? I am the State!"

peppertree

(21,624 posts)
9. Sure - but you can imagine how much all that matters to Boofman, Pubic Hair, and Scalito
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:17 PM
Apr 2021

The Constitution's written in pencil as far as they're concerned.

peppertree

(21,624 posts)
11. There's Whoresuch and the Handmaid too, don't forget
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:29 PM
Apr 2021

And I doubt they would have shown much restraint, faced with the prospect of 4 more years of His Orangeness.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
12. There were, I believe, three cases related to the election
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:34 PM
Apr 2021

presented to the Supreme Court. One of those was a case of original jurisdiction. All were focused on attempting to overturn the election and give Trump four more years. None of them were successful.

peppertree

(21,624 posts)
13. Sure - but imagine, if you will, an outcome in which Trump HAD succeeded
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:38 PM
Apr 2021

You really think most of those Bush/Trump appointees (except Roberts) would offer any resistance to Needy Amin?

Not if they valued their lives.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
4. That is what I read
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 03:29 PM
Apr 2021

An awful lot of deaths for one police officer and yet he was still on the job. Plus I believe he had already cost the city a lot of money in settlement claims.

HighFired49

(348 posts)
24. Link(s)?
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 01:05 AM
Apr 2021

I could only find references to three shootings he was involved in, only one of which said that Chauvin was the cop who actually shot a suspect. He was part of a group of cops who fired on suspects in the other two incidents.

peppertree

(21,624 posts)
16. I wouldn't say that's necessarily the case - but that it's possible
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 05:47 PM
Apr 2021

You'll recall, just to name one very well-known example, how the judge in the Trayvon Martin case deliberately misled the jury into a not guilty ruling for 'El Chapo' Zimmerman.

These judges know that the police know where they live - all the more so in a case like Chauvin's.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
21. Had the judge allowed all of the incidents to be told to the jury then it could have risked any
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 07:43 PM
Apr 2021

verdict of guilty being thrown out so limiting it like the judge did makes sense.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
23. Or, the judge may be familiar with the rules of evidence and does not want to be reversed on appeal.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 09:41 PM
Apr 2021

See my post 22 below.

The judge may be a chauvinist but there is nothing in his rulings to prove that.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
22. Evidence of prior uncharged misconduct is tough.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 09:31 PM
Apr 2021

Judges must walk a careful line to avoid reversal on appeal. It accomplishes nothing to obtain a conviction if it is reversed on appeal.

The applicable state rule of evidence is probably similar to Federal Rule 404(b)(1): "Evidence of any other crime, wrong, or act is not admissible to prove a person’s character in order to show that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character." There is an exception (there's always an exception) in 404(b)(2): "Permitted Uses. This evidence may be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident."

It comes down to a balancing act. Allowing evidence of some such uncharged misconduct to be introduced but not others gives the appearance of the judge engaging in a serious consideration.

This sounds like a judge trying to protect the record.

lark

(23,091 posts)
27. Judge is doing everything possible to help Chauvin.
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 08:50 AM
Apr 2021

He's practically part of the defense at times, directing defense to ask questions.

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