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Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:46 PM

Joe Manchin gives Biden's infrastructure proposal a thumbs down

Source: The Week

The country's most powerful senator has spoken.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.), a moderate Democrat who more or less serves as the 50-50 upper chamber's swing vote these days, gave President Biden's infrastructure proposal — as it's currently written — a thumbs down on Monday. In a radio interview with West Virginia's MetroNews, Manchin said raising the corporate tax rate to 28 percent, as envisioned in the plan, is just too high, though he did say he could get behind a hike to 25 percent.

The senator claimed he wasn't alone, either. "There's six or seven other Democrats who feel very strongly about this," he said. "We have to be competitive, and we're not going to throw caution to the wind."

It appears the White House is preparing to eventually push the bill through without Republican support, but they will need Manchin on board no matter what, so his stance is crucial. Still, the latest development wasn't unexpected. It's likely Biden's proposal will go through numerous changes over the next several months, and by the time it's actually up for a vote on the Senate floor, it should look significantly different. Manchin, it seems, is just kicking off the negotiations.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-manchin-gives-bidens-infrastructure-171118013.html

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Reply Joe Manchin gives Biden's infrastructure proposal a thumbs down (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 OP
FarPoint Apr 2021 #1
iluvtennis Apr 2021 #19
DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #51
iluvtennis Apr 2021 #70
CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #23
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ebbie15644 Apr 2021 #3
blm Apr 2021 #6
blm Apr 2021 #4
msongs Apr 2021 #8
Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #55
Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #22
ahimsa Apr 2021 #47
Deuxcents Apr 2021 #5
Escurumbele Apr 2021 #14
Rebl2 Apr 2021 #54
BradAllison Apr 2021 #64
certainot Apr 2021 #50
msongs Apr 2021 #7
FBaggins Apr 2021 #57
CrispyQ Apr 2021 #9
PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #10
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:47 PM

1. Oh for FU*K SAKES....

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:18 PM

19. Ditto. nt

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:46 PM

51. Double Ditto

Just another little piss ant, finding himself in a position of power, keeps doing shit just to keep his face in the headlines and on the news.

An old girl friend called them "TWPC"......Teenie Weenie Peenie Complex men. Megalomaniacs, with gross insecurities, shouting bravado to reinforce their bullshit neuroses....

He can only see as far as his nose, and only can see himself in this huge world. He and numerous Republicans don't give a rats ass about the future, our children, our grandchildren, the environment, or frankly anything except themselves and their tiny little microcosms.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #51)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:15 AM

70. Spot On DENVERPOPS. nt

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:26 PM

23. +1000

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:49 PM

2. And I give him two middle fingers

Fuck you Manchin

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:49 PM

3. Raise it to 25% and cut loopholes and deductions

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Response to ebbie15644 (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:51 PM

6. ✔️

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:50 PM

4. Biden should've started at 30% to 'let' Manchin get

him down to 28%.

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Response to blm (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:51 PM

8. yep start at double what u really want nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:27 PM

55. Maybe he did.

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Response to blm (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:26 PM

22. I wouldn't be surprised to see the house pass a bill with a top rate of 30+%. Nt

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Response to blm (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:01 PM

47. You may have correctly identified..

.. exactly what happened! Joe wanted 25 and started at 28.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:51 PM

5. 28% is too much?!

He’s getting on my last nerve.

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Response to Deuxcents (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:06 PM

14. He got on my nerves last year, I said it, and the defense team at DU would not have it

But there he is, causing havoc again...he does love the limelight...

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:24 PM

54. Same here

Actually for several years

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:45 PM

64. Now that he's middle fingering Joe B and not "those radical leftists" maybe the defense will drop it

But probably not.

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Response to Deuxcents (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:22 PM

50. these rw dems are scared of limbaugh's rotting worm-eaten corpse

maybe dems should tell him the dittohead army screaming global warming is a hoax are now the walking dead

those dumbshit conservadems are playing to a rotting corpse that will be gone by next election and they will be fucked

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:51 PM

7. well Joe we can cut costs by not allocating any funds to WV. will that help? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:43 PM

57. No... he can't do that

That would require a budget that cuts out WV

And right now Biden can't get a budget without Manchin.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:52 PM

9. All the hard work to win the Senate & one asshole can throw a wrench into it all?

Hurts more when it's your own side doing the obstructing.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:56 PM

10. The hard work was to prevent 50 others from doing the same. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:09 PM

17. Nope, the hard work was more than that, it was to keep a united front the same as repubs had

when they were the majority. With Manchin on their side, half of the time, it becomes 51/49.

That is why I said that 50/50 was not a real win when you have people like Manchin who has one foot in the republican party and one in the Democratic party. He seems to value "his republican friends" very much.

He is a real problem. I hope 2022 gives us a minimum of five (5) Democratic senators, I would rather have more, but at least five would make Manchin irrelevant.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:55 PM

45. Actually Manchin votes with us 75% of the time.... which is much better than 0%

I agree, he's frustrating to deal with, but we are certainly better off than if his seat were in GOPer hands.

Also, I haven't heard whether or not there are proposals afoot to significantly raise the top marginal tax rate on the wealthiest Americans. IMO it should be at least 50% for the portion of income above $100,000,000.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:31 PM

56. And that is exactly correct.

and until the Dens elect at least a half dozen more Senators, we're going to have to be grateful for the 75% voting record a la Manchin.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:44 PM

58. Not one

Fifty one (or more).

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:01 PM

11. Attempting

To prove HE owns the senate....

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:03 PM

12. fuck you, DINO Joe!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:06 PM

13. Joe, I think you owe all of us an explanation for this

If you say the infrastructure doesn't need work, you are a fool.

If you think it can be paid for without tapping the people who can most afford it, the billionaires and Wall Street, you are a fool.

If you are just grandstanding, thinking you'll take over McConnell's position as ultimate Senate arbiter of everything, you are a dangerous fool.

So, Joe, which is it?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:06 PM

15. I'm fully in Joes (Biden) corner

But If it's 25% vs 28% then do the 25 and deal HARD TIME with Manchin later! We need to get things passed now!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:09 PM

16. "Moderate" Democrat?

 

Well, as a foreigner, I suppose it isn't cricket for me to question.....

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Response to Hugh Bloody Bastards (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:04 PM

32. Sure it is.

Most of us have opinions on foreign doings whether we fully understand them or not.

Your observations count.



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Response to Hugh Bloody Bastards (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:51 PM

66. Welcome to DU!

We welcome your opinion!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #66)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:13 AM

69. Thank you

 

I wish the hell I had both those mugs of beer in your reply, right now, as such might help relieve this blasted insomnia!

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Response to Hugh Bloody Bastards (Reply #69)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:26 AM

73. Sorry, wish I could oblige with the real thing!

You have my sympathy.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:13 PM

18. Moderate, my ass

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:22 PM

20. Time for Joe and Kamala to invite him...

...and the “other seven” to the White House to get them in line. And if they don’t respond to charm, then puppy play time with Major! 😁

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:24 PM

21. So disappointing,

and hard to see him getting behind a wealth tax either, but stranger things have happened.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:27 PM

24. Manchin thinks he is Prime Minister of America. Nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:31 PM

25. Manchin needs to be replaced because a 28% corporate tax rate is not to high especially to help

pay for major infrastructure which the corporations also use.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:34 PM

26. If Manchin gets replaced

it will be by a trump-humping republican. WV is a backwards, trump-loving hell-hole.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:37 PM

27. I know but it never hurts to hope for a better Democratic candidate to replace him.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:39 PM

28. I remember Jay Rockefeller

and all the good things he did for this state.

The kooks are running the asylum in WV these days. When the state implodes, maybe the people will wake up and we can rebuild from the ashes.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:43 PM

29. He's not going to help

on anything!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:45 PM

30. Same as it ever was...

We get control of the White House and Congress, and we have to cater to the whims of our most conservative members. Republicans get control of the White House and Congress, and they have to cater to the whims of...their most conservative members. And so it goes


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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:45 PM

31. Wouldn't be surprised if the 28% to 25% compromise is merely scripted political theater.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:07 PM

33. Schumer needs to take him behind the woodshed

 

And knock some sense into Manchin. Labeling Manchin a moderate is a joke. He’s a right-wing wannabe that is a detriment to his constituents and the Country.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:10 PM

34. Manchin's schtick is wearing thin.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:12 PM

35. we definatly have a obstructionist here folks , he needs to go.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:17 PM

36. What a dimwit, none of them will pay 28%, 25% or anything close.

Bunch of nonsense, these corporations have the best accountants. None of them will ever come close to paying the full 28%.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:21 PM

37. Biden or Schumer or someone must have the dirt on this guy. Time for a friendly little LBJ chat

with the dossier sitting on the corner of the desk.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:32 PM

38. Because coal miners in WV wouldn't want jobs created by Joe's plan, right?

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:56 PM

67. I was wondering same along these lines

If the thing can get passed and it creates new, better kinds of jobs for the miners, would it help turn more WV voters towards Democrats in future?

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Response to catchnrelease (Reply #67)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:38 AM

72. I'd like to think so

But one never knows. They would likely give credit to the fake pres.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:37 PM

39. This doorknob licking, smooth brained, chud. What are the chances 25 will be too much by Wednesday?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:45 PM

40. Every time I hear / read his name I get a big fucking headache

and need to take four aspirins.........I am really tired of corporations not even paying there taxes now, and they use the same roads, bridges and whatever, it use to be fucking 90%...............JFC........

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:00 PM

41. Manchin needs to wake up with a horses head in his bed.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:07 PM

42. Are we really sure an actual Democrat can't win

In Joe’s home stomping grounds? His self serving, showboating bullshit is getting tiresome.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:20 PM

43. six or seven other Democrats who feel very strongly about this, I DOUBT IT. Give us name Manchin.

Tell the truth for once.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:30 PM

44. GODDAMN him.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:01 PM

46. what is galling about this is he is more than happy to tax people making 76k

at a 50% marginal rate the current marginal rate plus the 32% he insisted on for the stimulus. Yet corporations only pay 25%, that is actually considerably less than the marginal that a person making 76k pays.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:15 PM

48. I'm shocked.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:15 PM

49. My bet is he will come around once he makes a little bit of a fuss.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:56 PM

52. I am starting to wonder if his role is media misdirection

He sure comes out against stuff a lot - in the media - then votes in-line. Maybe he is playing the heel so republicans can't properly strategize. And Maybe 46 has some 3D chess going on and Manchin playing is his bishop.

But then again, maybe Manchin is arrogant likes the attention and power/leverage.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:15 PM

53. Moron Manchin is fighting hard for that 3%

Seriously, bring the bill to a vote and let this a**hole get blamed and explain to his constituents that he thought a difference of 3% was worth voting against it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:56 PM

59. "We have to be competitive..."

Last edited Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:21 AM - Edit history (1)

The same mantra has stagnated (or driven down) wages and allowed unfettered mergers and monopolization for 40 years.

The greatest expansion of the middle class, and a commensurate rise in wages for workers, occurred when the corporate tax rate was just above 50%.

"We have to be competitive..."

We ARE competitive, and we would CONTINUE to be competitive even if we raised the corporate tax rate 2 or 3 percentage points.

Data from https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2020/04/six-charts-that-show-how-low-corporate-tax-revenues-are-in-the-united-states-right-now

Competitive:






Manchin is spouting pure horseshit.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:19 PM

60. So is he a REPUBLICAN disguised as a Democrat?

It sure seems like he should be in their party.

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Response to YoshidaYui (Reply #60)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:45 PM

63. He's not even a "swing vote", he just flat out wants to make Dems miserable.

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Response to NullTuples (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 11:07 PM

68. sounds like a Republican to me

Maybe he needs to switch parties.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:28 PM

61. If his biggest problem is the tax rate, then it seems easily fixable.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:38 PM

62. There we go again

SH*T I hate this man

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:48 PM

65. If we were any more competitive

Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk & the rest of the robber barons would each be worth trillions, not mere billions (or hundreds of billions).

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:38 AM

71. I got blocked for criticizing Manchin so I guess I have to be very careful about expressing my

opinions about a Democrat that doesn't support Democratic policies. Uh, oh, is another block coming? Ouch!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:55 AM

74. Raising the rates so Amazon and GE pay what we pay is not OK? WTF not?? They pay NOTHING

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:20 AM

75. Next time, make the CIT 50.

That’s nearer to what it was before Red Ink Ronnie.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:51 AM

76. I'm telling ya...

...Biden should start seriously fucking with federal monies and benefits going to West Virginia...

...and Bernie should start 'thumbs-downing' ANYTHING manchin wants...

...if things are going to stop for us because of manchin, then things should stop for everyone because of manchin...

...it's only fair...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:21 AM

77. Senators aren't required to vote the party line and are allowed to think for themselves

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