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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:05 PM Apr 2021

Tearful mom begs Texas lawmakers not to throw her in jail for supporting her trans child

Source: LGBTQ Nation


Amber Briggle is "terrified... that my words will be used against me" and her son "will be taken from me."

By Alex Bollinger Thursday, April 15, 2021

The mother of a transgender boy testified before the Texas legislature in tears as Republicans try to pass a bill to criminalize parents who support their transgender children.

“I’m terrified to be here today,” said Amber Briggle told the Texas Senate Committee on State Affairs at a hearing earlier this week. “I’m afraid that by speaking here today that my words will be used against me should S.B. 1646 or S.B. 1311 pass, and my sweet son whom I love more than life itself will be taken from me.”

Texas’s S.B. 1646 would redefine child abuse to include “consenting to or assisting in the administering or supplying of, a puberty suppression prescription drug or cross-sex hormone to a child,” as well as other gender-affirming health care procedures, even though puberty blockers are reversible and have been found to significantly reduce suicidal thoughts for trans people. And Briggle knows that first-hand.

“When my son was four-years-old, he asked me if scientists could turn him into a boy,” Briggle said, adding that she didn’t understand that he was trans. “I only knew that he wasn’t like most girls his age and that something inside him was hurting.”



Read more: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/04/tearful-mom-begs-texas-lawmakers-not-throw-jail-supporting-trans-child

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Tearful mom begs Texas lawmakers not to throw her in jail for supporting her trans child (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2021 OP
The Cruelty is the Whole Point leftieNanner Apr 2021 #1
Got it in one Wild blueberry Apr 2021 #15
They can't take immigrant children away from their parents anymore blueinredohio Apr 2021 #2
Cruel, vicious pieces of filth. Solly Mack Apr 2021 #3
Oh, they care. It gets them HARD! niyad Apr 2021 #16
And yet all,these Texas repukes say they are good Christians kimbutgar Apr 2021 #4
I never want to MEET that kind of Christian. TreasonousBastard Apr 2021 #5
My trans cousin was totally accepted by his church TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #6
That's beautiful! AwakeAtLast Apr 2021 #8
A truly enlightened pastor. patphil Apr 2021 #10
His tolerance for his congregant is exemplary, the call for a second baptism is grantcart Apr 2021 #13
Would that depend on the denomination? NullTuples Apr 2021 #28
The question is not who is getting the baptism but what is the active agent of the baptism grantcart Apr 2021 #32
That's...your belief; it is one specific set only. NullTuples Apr 2021 #33
It is not my belief, I am not a Christian. It is an accurate description of the history of the grantcart Apr 2021 #35
"accurate description of the history" NullTuples Apr 2021 #38
That is a true Christian Pastor kimbutgar Apr 2021 #19
Christians who don't want government interfering in their lives, no less! GopherGal Apr 2021 #31
I am so sick of the GOP. Snackshack Apr 2021 #7
Love is love. patphil Apr 2021 #9
Wow ... Delphinus Apr 2021 #41
So what kind of twisted plans do they have for the kids they take away from the parents? NBachers Apr 2021 #11
Oh I know what they will do! Richard58 Apr 2021 #23
Likely the same thing they did with the border kids they stole from their parents. NullTuples Apr 2021 #29
I am so SICK of this! Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #12
I have a trans student that came to me because his parents are transphobia AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #14
fucking outrageous ! YoshidaYui Apr 2021 #17
ABSOLUTELY! Rebl2 Apr 2021 #22
Once again, right-wingers choose a relatively small, disadvantaged group of people Ocelot II Apr 2021 #18
Why doesn't Texas just fly a Nazi flag and quit with all the Alamo stood for freedom shit? world wide wally Apr 2021 #20
Because hundreds of thousands of Texas Democrats wouldn't like that shit. Paladin Apr 2021 #37
Texas Repukes are just plain evil. paleotn Apr 2021 #21
Calling this "barbaric" is an insult to actual barbarians. Initech Apr 2021 #24
I hate these motherfucking people vercetti2021 Apr 2021 #25
so cruel thalt lawmakers would even think of doing this to families riversedge Apr 2021 #26
Maybe Gofundmethefuckoutoftexas theworldatlarge Apr 2021 #27
This is about where I'd be calling a moving van & fleeing for my kid's life Hekate Apr 2021 #30
Right? I wouldn't want to raise my kid in that type of environment. Luciferous Apr 2021 #39
K&R MustLoveBeagles Apr 2021 #34
We wouldn't have this problem IF, bluestarone Apr 2021 #36
K&R ck4829 Apr 2021 #40
Kick ck4829 Jun 2021 #42

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
2. They can't take immigrant children away from their parents anymore
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:12 PM
Apr 2021

so they have to get their fix somewhere. These people are such haters they don't even try to understand anything they don't agree with.

kimbutgar

(20,874 posts)
4. And yet all,these Texas repukes say they are good Christians
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:23 PM
Apr 2021

I never want to be that type of a Christian then!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
6. My trans cousin was totally accepted by his church
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 02:13 PM
Apr 2021

Last edited Fri Apr 16, 2021, 04:55 PM - Edit history (1)

He had a heart to heart with his pastor and told him that he identified as male and would be going by Joseph (Joey) rather than Julie. His pastor said, "Well, you have a new name and a new life, would you like to be baptized again?" Joey happily said YES!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
13. His tolerance for his congregant is exemplary, the call for a second baptism is
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:22 PM
Apr 2021

An error that was well established 1900 years ago that established only one baptism would be necessary or effective even if the Bishop providing it had renounced his faith.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
28. Would that depend on the denomination?
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:34 AM
Apr 2021

But also, from a trans person's point of view that earlier baptism might have been performed for/to a name and persona that may have been little more than a painful disguise created to please others.

What would the theological analysis be (from the denomination of your choice) if someone was baptized while disguised & using a name that was not actually them?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
32. The question is not who is getting the baptism but what is the active agent of the baptism
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 12:02 PM
Apr 2021

The question arose when during the first couple of centuries there was active persecution of Christians and some Bishops renounced their faith during painful torture, did that mean that the Baptisms that they performed were invalidated and needed to be redone.

The conclusion, for Christians is, that the meaning of agency of the Baptism doesn't come from the priest, pastor, or Bishop ut from God in the form of the Holy Spirit. All Baptisms are validated by the Supreme Being and not by the individual who happens to be there guiding the sacrament.

So for centuries it has been held that a single Baptism is sufficient but in the US where community churches and non mainline Churches (like the Mormons) don't recognize other Churches Baptisms they require a "second" Baptism but in doing so they are making an unintended comment about the limitations of God because if God is the one doing the Baptism then it shouldn't be necessary to rebaptize.

One wrinkle is that some churches do infant Baptisms but these Baptisms need to be reconfirmed when the child becomes and adult with a confirmation ceremony. Some Churches don't recognize infant Baptism (for good reason) and they would want someone who joined their Church to be Baptized but the issue is "only one Adult Baptism".

There is also a Pastoral exception. Let's say an adolescent teenager died before being Baptized and the distraught parents requested a Baptism. As their Pastor you should say yes, even if it is technically against the rules to Baptize a deceased person because you are doing it to give comfort to grieving parents. In the case cited above it would be perfectly fine and understandable (according to most mainline denominations) to provide a second Baptism if the trans individual requested it and it would be part of a healing process for that individual but the Pastor shouldn't have initiated it if it wasn't a concern by the young person.

In your hypothetical if the person being baptized does so while "in disguise" or "using a pseudonym" or using some other kind of deception is not relevant as the only thing that is relevant is whether or not the individual being baptized is requesting the Sacrament is doing so with an honest and open heart.

A little nit picking but the idea of Christians having only one Adult Baptism is pretty basic to the sacrament and established for almost 2 millennia, having said that the minister in this case sounds like a terrific person.









grantcart

(53,061 posts)
35. It is not my belief, I am not a Christian. It is an accurate description of the history of the
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:37 AM
Apr 2021

Principle going back to the first century held by ecclesiastical courts ( which still exist) for the main body of Christendom, including Roman, Protestant, Orthodox.

Of course in the galaxy of sects there are those that don't follow that which has been widely debated and widely accepted.

The principle is pretty clear: If it is a Sacrament governed by a Supreme Being then the benefit is given at the first Baptism without condition and any further Baptism is redundant. If it is a human activity then that is another matter altogether.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
38. "accurate description of the history"
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:29 PM
Apr 2021

That speaks to my point; many sects have decided to ignore history. They can do so because all they have to claim is that their new modification is divinely inspired. It's a hell of a loophole that any religion can take advantage of, and most have in one regard or another. It's part of how new religions & sects come about.

I attended a service with a friend in the 2000's where each member of the congregation must be re-baptized yearly to remain in the state of being "baptized". From an outside point of view it was little more than a marketing technique not unlike a subscription, and the minister was quite successful.

That group was not unusual in it's disregard for what you are considering "accurate descriptions of history". In my experience, the more evangelical a sect is, and the more wealth focused, the less they care about niceties such as historical tradition. In their belief system, all others in their history were flawed & mistaken; for they are the chosen ones.

kimbutgar

(20,874 posts)
19. That is a true Christian Pastor
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 04:53 PM
Apr 2021

Love all thy neighbors regardless of your differences.

What’s ironic very few people encounter trans people In real life. The repukes are using this as another bs diversion from their failures of governing things real people need.

GopherGal

(1,999 posts)
31. Christians who don't want government interfering in their lives, no less!
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 11:22 AM
Apr 2021

...want to define how parents can raise their children.

Looking it up, it appears Dante's 8th circle is for them.

Snackshack

(2,540 posts)
7. I am so sick of the GOP.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:02 PM
Apr 2021

A@@holes. I did not realize that the bull redefined child abuse to include this. This is really atrocious.

The GOP wants to be dictators.

patphil

(6,029 posts)
9. Love is love.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:06 PM
Apr 2021

It's only down here in 3D reality that there are male and female members of a species.
Angels have energy bodies. Sex is not a thing for them. Their energies may reflect the qualities of one sex or the other, but it's a dynamic, not a static situation.
It's no wonder a person can feel they are in the wrong body. It's a situation they are not accustomed to.

But we make it the be all and end all.
As I said, love is love.
God is not concerned with a person's sexual preferences. It's the love that matters.

Richard58

(239 posts)
23. Oh I know what they will do!
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 05:09 PM
Apr 2021

They will give the kids to a "good conservative Christian family" that will do everything in their power to shame and demonize the kids for wanting to transition. Now the kids might commit suicide or be mentally damaged for life but it will all be cool because it will be done in the name of "family values".

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
29. Likely the same thing they did with the border kids they stole from their parents.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:47 AM
Apr 2021

Same thing they did with Native children, Jewish children and even now, children from various African nations.

"Save" them by placing them with proper conservative American Christian families.

At a profit, no less. De Voss family's Bethany Christian Services made $700/day for housing border children and $35,000 for each one sold. I'm guessing the same pricing would be used.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,852 posts)
12. I am so SICK of this!
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:16 PM
Apr 2021

Right now I'm in an argument on (of all things) a women's basketball board over the NCAA threatening to move all activities out of states that ban trans athletes.Some people are spouting the anti-trans line and I asked if they realized that almost all the laws and all the hate are directed at trans WOMEN? They started asking the dumbest questions....and I reminded them about the size and strength of some of the young women playing basketball these days....but you cannot talk to some people, you just cannot.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,558 posts)
14. I have a trans student that came to me because his parents are transphobia
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:24 PM
Apr 2021

asked me to call him by the name he chose and to support him.

All I asked was "how do you pronounce it and just do your work in class."

No problems with it at all. He is rather lazy and doesn't do any work in case and is in danger of failing, but that is a completely different subject all together.

I don't care what you are, how you identify yourself, who you sleep with, or even what you sleep with. . .it has no impact on my life, my wife's life, or our decisions.

Nothing bad has ever happened to me because a trans decides to become pansexual and enter a poly relationship with whips, chains, jumper cables, and scat. And I would be you nothing happened to anyone that wants to interfere because they too much time and too little life.

Ocelot II

(115,276 posts)
18. Once again, right-wingers choose a relatively small, disadvantaged group of people
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 04:14 PM
Apr 2021

and make them out to be an existential threat to our "American way of life" (whatever the hell that is) in order to gin up more fear and division, entirely to their advantage, and not caring in the least how much harm is done to those actual human beings.

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
37. Because hundreds of thousands of Texas Democrats wouldn't like that shit.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:16 AM
Apr 2021

Texas Democrats like me, for instance.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
21. Texas Repukes are just plain evil.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 04:57 PM
Apr 2021

Garden variety evil. There's really no other way to put it. I despair for my species.

vercetti2021

(10,150 posts)
25. I hate these motherfucking people
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 05:34 PM
Apr 2021

GQP why not just go ahead and ban trans people from living in the state? That way I'd be forced to move away from this fascist racist shithole?

theworldatlarge

(11 posts)
27. Maybe Gofundmethefuckoutoftexas
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:20 PM
Apr 2021

Hey Texas legislature, how bout secession instead, you sadist miserable human defects

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
30. This is about where I'd be calling a moving van & fleeing for my kid's life
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:25 AM
Apr 2021

I don’t even have words for this horror show

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
36. We wouldn't have this problem IF,
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:10 AM
Apr 2021

We could see into each one of their closets. What a story that would tell!!

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