Tearful mom begs Texas lawmakers not to throw her in jail for supporting her trans child
Source: LGBTQ Nation
Amber Briggle is "terrified... that my words will be used against me" and her son "will be taken from me."
By Alex Bollinger Thursday, April 15, 2021
The mother of a transgender boy testified before the Texas legislature in tears as Republicans try to pass a bill to criminalize parents who support their transgender children.
Im terrified to be here today, said Amber Briggle told the Texas Senate Committee on State Affairs at a hearing earlier this week. Im afraid that by speaking here today that my words will be used against me should S.B. 1646 or S.B. 1311 pass, and my sweet son whom I love more than life itself will be taken from me.
Texass S.B. 1646 would redefine child abuse to include consenting to or assisting in the administering or supplying of, a puberty suppression prescription drug or cross-sex hormone to a child, as well as other gender-affirming health care procedures, even though puberty blockers are reversible and have been found to significantly reduce suicidal thoughts for trans people. And Briggle knows that first-hand.
When my son was four-years-old, he asked me if scientists could turn him into a boy, Briggle said, adding that she didnt understand that he was trans. I only knew that he wasnt like most girls his age and that something inside him was hurting.
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leftieNanner
(14,997 posts)Wild blueberry
(6,541 posts)Thank you.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)so they have to get their fix somewhere. These people are such haters they don't even try to understand anything they don't agree with.
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)They are harming people and they simply do not care.
niyad
(112,432 posts)kimbutgar
(20,874 posts)I never want to be that type of a Christian then!
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)TexasBushwhacker
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He had a heart to heart with his pastor and told him that he identified as male and would be going by Joseph (Joey) rather than Julie. His pastor said, "Well, you have a new name and a new life, would you like to be baptized again?" Joey happily said YES!
AwakeAtLast
(14,112 posts)patphil
(6,029 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)An error that was well established 1900 years ago that established only one baptism would be necessary or effective even if the Bishop providing it had renounced his faith.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)But also, from a trans person's point of view that earlier baptism might have been performed for/to a name and persona that may have been little more than a painful disguise created to please others.
What would the theological analysis be (from the denomination of your choice) if someone was baptized while disguised & using a name that was not actually them?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The question arose when during the first couple of centuries there was active persecution of Christians and some Bishops renounced their faith during painful torture, did that mean that the Baptisms that they performed were invalidated and needed to be redone.
The conclusion, for Christians is, that the meaning of agency of the Baptism doesn't come from the priest, pastor, or Bishop ut from God in the form of the Holy Spirit. All Baptisms are validated by the Supreme Being and not by the individual who happens to be there guiding the sacrament.
So for centuries it has been held that a single Baptism is sufficient but in the US where community churches and non mainline Churches (like the Mormons) don't recognize other Churches Baptisms they require a "second" Baptism but in doing so they are making an unintended comment about the limitations of God because if God is the one doing the Baptism then it shouldn't be necessary to rebaptize.
One wrinkle is that some churches do infant Baptisms but these Baptisms need to be reconfirmed when the child becomes and adult with a confirmation ceremony. Some Churches don't recognize infant Baptism (for good reason) and they would want someone who joined their Church to be Baptized but the issue is "only one Adult Baptism".
There is also a Pastoral exception. Let's say an adolescent teenager died before being Baptized and the distraught parents requested a Baptism. As their Pastor you should say yes, even if it is technically against the rules to Baptize a deceased person because you are doing it to give comfort to grieving parents. In the case cited above it would be perfectly fine and understandable (according to most mainline denominations) to provide a second Baptism if the trans individual requested it and it would be part of a healing process for that individual but the Pastor shouldn't have initiated it if it wasn't a concern by the young person.
In your hypothetical if the person being baptized does so while "in disguise" or "using a pseudonym" or using some other kind of deception is not relevant as the only thing that is relevant is whether or not the individual being baptized is requesting the Sacrament is doing so with an honest and open heart.
A little nit picking but the idea of Christians having only one Adult Baptism is pretty basic to the sacrament and established for almost 2 millennia, having said that the minister in this case sounds like a terrific person.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Other Christian sects hold other beliefs.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Principle going back to the first century held by ecclesiastical courts ( which still exist) for the main body of Christendom, including Roman, Protestant, Orthodox.
Of course in the galaxy of sects there are those that don't follow that which has been widely debated and widely accepted.
The principle is pretty clear: If it is a Sacrament governed by a Supreme Being then the benefit is given at the first Baptism without condition and any further Baptism is redundant. If it is a human activity then that is another matter altogether.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)That speaks to my point; many sects have decided to ignore history. They can do so because all they have to claim is that their new modification is divinely inspired. It's a hell of a loophole that any religion can take advantage of, and most have in one regard or another. It's part of how new religions & sects come about.
I attended a service with a friend in the 2000's where each member of the congregation must be re-baptized yearly to remain in the state of being "baptized". From an outside point of view it was little more than a marketing technique not unlike a subscription, and the minister was quite successful.
That group was not unusual in it's disregard for what you are considering "accurate descriptions of history". In my experience, the more evangelical a sect is, and the more wealth focused, the less they care about niceties such as historical tradition. In their belief system, all others in their history were flawed & mistaken; for they are the chosen ones.
kimbutgar
(20,874 posts)Love all thy neighbors regardless of your differences.
Whats ironic very few people encounter trans people In real life. The repukes are using this as another bs diversion from their failures of governing things real people need.
GopherGal
(1,999 posts)...want to define how parents can raise their children.
Looking it up, it appears Dante's 8th circle is for them.
Snackshack
(2,540 posts)A@@holes. I did not realize that the bull redefined child abuse to include this. This is really atrocious.
The GOP wants to be dictators.
patphil
(6,029 posts)It's only down here in 3D reality that there are male and female members of a species.
Angels have energy bodies. Sex is not a thing for them. Their energies may reflect the qualities of one sex or the other, but it's a dynamic, not a static situation.
It's no wonder a person can feel they are in the wrong body. It's a situation they are not accustomed to.
But we make it the be all and end all.
As I said, love is love.
God is not concerned with a person's sexual preferences. It's the love that matters.
Delphinus
(11,808 posts)I love what you wrote! Thank you!
NBachers
(17,001 posts)Richard58
(239 posts)They will give the kids to a "good conservative Christian family" that will do everything in their power to shame and demonize the kids for wanting to transition. Now the kids might commit suicide or be mentally damaged for life but it will all be cool because it will be done in the name of "family values".
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Same thing they did with Native children, Jewish children and even now, children from various African nations.
"Save" them by placing them with proper conservative American Christian families.
At a profit, no less. De Voss family's Bethany Christian Services made $700/day for housing border children and $35,000 for each one sold. I'm guessing the same pricing would be used.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,852 posts)Right now I'm in an argument on (of all things) a women's basketball board over the NCAA threatening to move all activities out of states that ban trans athletes.Some people are spouting the anti-trans line and I asked if they realized that almost all the laws and all the hate are directed at trans WOMEN? They started asking the dumbest questions....and I reminded them about the size and strength of some of the young women playing basketball these days....but you cannot talk to some people, you just cannot.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,558 posts)asked me to call him by the name he chose and to support him.
All I asked was "how do you pronounce it and just do your work in class."
No problems with it at all. He is rather lazy and doesn't do any work in case and is in danger of failing, but that is a completely different subject all together.
I don't care what you are, how you identify yourself, who you sleep with, or even what you sleep with. . .it has no impact on my life, my wife's life, or our decisions.
Nothing bad has ever happened to me because a trans decides to become pansexual and enter a poly relationship with whips, chains, jumper cables, and scat. And I would be you nothing happened to anyone that wants to interfere because they too much time and too little life.
YoshidaYui
(41,759 posts)Republicans are OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL..
Rebl2
(13,303 posts)Ocelot II
(115,276 posts)and make them out to be an existential threat to our "American way of life" (whatever the hell that is) in order to gin up more fear and division, entirely to their advantage, and not caring in the least how much harm is done to those actual human beings.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)Paladin
(28,202 posts)Texas Democrats like me, for instance.
paleotn
(17,778 posts)Garden variety evil. There's really no other way to put it. I despair for my species.
Initech
(99,913 posts)vercetti2021
(10,150 posts)GQP why not just go ahead and ban trans people from living in the state? That way I'd be forced to move away from this fascist racist shithole?
riversedge
(69,716 posts)theworldatlarge
(11 posts)Hey Texas legislature, how bout secession instead, you sadist miserable human defects
Hekate
(90,189 posts)I dont even have words for this horror show
Luciferous
(6,067 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)bluestarone
(16,720 posts)We could see into each one of their closets. What a story that would tell!!
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