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groundloop

(11,518 posts)
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:12 PM Apr 2021

Indianapolis FedEx shooter bought two weapons used in killings legally last year despite FBI concern

Source: CNN

Full Headline: Indianapolis FedEx shooter bought two weapons used in killings legally last year despite FBI concerns



The 19-year-old who killed eight people at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis late Thursday night purchased the two assault rifles used in the attack legally months after being investigated by the FBI due to his potential for violence, according to the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms traced the two weapons, and police learned that Brandon Hole purchased one in July of 2020 and one in September of 2020, police said in a tweet.

Yet months earlier, in March 2020, Hole's mother told law enforcement that he might try to "commit suicide by cop," the FBI Indianapolis office said in a statement.

FBI Indianapolis Special Agent in Charge Paul Keenan said Hole was placed on an immediate detention mental health temporary hold by the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department. He also said a shotgun was seized at Hole's residence.



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/indianapolis-shooting-fedex-sunday/index.html




IT IS JUST TOO DAMNED EASY TO PURCHASE DEADLY WEAPONS IN THIS COUNTRY.
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Indianapolis FedEx shooter bought two weapons used in killings legally last year despite FBI concern (Original Post) groundloop Apr 2021 OP
FREEDOM!! SoCalDavidS Apr 2021 #1
I have to admit I didn't know the red-flag list and the background check system were unlinked. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #2
Just underscores how ridiculously easy it is for anyone to buy and possess. nt Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #3
Gomer Pyle: Surprise, surprise, surprise AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #4
Jim Nabors Fan mezame Apr 2021 #6
SICK BASTARD! bluestarone Apr 2021 #5
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Apr 2021 #7
Here is another wild and crazy idea. 2Gingersnaps Apr 2021 #8
Maybe if they start shooting republicans it'll get through to them. rickyhall Apr 2021 #9
easier for him to get guns than it was for his mum to get him mental health care Skittles Apr 2021 #10
Yep. His mother must be devastated, she did the right thing and the system still couldn't stop this groundloop Apr 2021 #11

maxsolomon

(33,284 posts)
2. I have to admit I didn't know the red-flag list and the background check system were unlinked.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:35 PM
Apr 2021

Any linking of firearm mental-health seizures to the background-check system would be an infringement, I guess. So, nothing to be done, or a slippery-slope would ensue that leads to Far Left Stalinism and FEMA Reeducation Camps for all Real Americans.

I'm exhausted by Gunners and their fallacies.

mezame

(295 posts)
6. Jim Nabors Fan
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:16 PM
Apr 2021

beautiful singing voice too

great meme to have around these days. kudos. please apply liberally

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
7. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:30 PM
Apr 2021


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
8. Here is another wild and crazy idea.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:05 PM
Apr 2021

Mental health care having parity with physical health care. Stigmatizing mental health belongs in the dark ages. Universal healthcare so that people in need have access and can afford it. This country is drowning in ignorance and indifference. We get the society we create.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
9. Maybe if they start shooting republicans it'll get through to them.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 05:01 PM
Apr 2021

Oh, that's right, the shooters are republicans.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
11. Yep. His mother must be devastated, she did the right thing and the system still couldn't stop this
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:35 PM
Apr 2021
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