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lamp_shade

(14,815 posts)
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:35 AM Apr 2021

Russia announces end to massive troop buildup near Ukraine

Source: Axios

Russia's defense minister said Thursday that massive military exercises near the border with Ukraine had been completed, and that he had ordered troops to return to their permanent bases by May 1, according to state media.

Why it matters: Tens of thousands of troops and heavy military equipment had been moved to the border of eastern Ukraine and the annexed territory of Crimea over the last month, sparking fears of a potential Russian invasion.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/russia-end-troop-buildup-ukraine-border-crimea-71130445-3db1-4ad0-b988-4a6671369aa1.html

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Russia announces end to massive troop buildup near Ukraine (Original Post) lamp_shade Apr 2021 OP
Why? jpak Apr 2021 #1
Brinkmanship Turbineguy Apr 2021 #11
Tucker Carlson's confidential sources report that in exchange for throwing Ukraine under the bus, Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #23
Putin's got thousands marching in the streets against him. That's why... mpcamb Apr 2021 #25
I wonder what the deal was? inwiththenew Apr 2021 #2
Perhaps Putin Realized GB_RN Apr 2021 #4
I think the deal was with Ukraine inwiththenew Apr 2021 #6
Europe doesn't want war with Russia IronLionZion Apr 2021 #17
I'm glad Duncanpup Apr 2021 #3
I don't trust Putin . . . Lovie777 Apr 2021 #5
he likes it lookyhereyou Apr 2021 #12
This is good news The Jungle 1 Apr 2021 #7
I wonder if the people of Ukraine regret thucythucy Apr 2021 #8
This is good news. AllyCat Apr 2021 #9
What russia say means NOTHING to me. bluestarone Apr 2021 #10
This is the dangerous time sarisataka Apr 2021 #13
Intimidation Bayard Apr 2021 #14
Don't trust him, Joe. lastlib Apr 2021 #15
Somebody blinked. dhol82 Apr 2021 #16
I think it was a couple threats padah513 Apr 2021 #18
The heavy weapons remain however..and wouldn't take long... Xolodno Apr 2021 #19
Sanctions work, especially financial sanctions. sarcasmo Apr 2021 #20
Subterfuge maybe? Calista241 Apr 2021 #21
I'll believe it when they're gone. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2021 #22
Russians have smartphones and use them SmartVoter22 Apr 2021 #24
Thank you. I hope you are right. lamp_shade Apr 2021 #26

Beastly Boy

(9,230 posts)
23. Tucker Carlson's confidential sources report that in exchange for throwing Ukraine under the bus,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:30 PM
Apr 2021

Putin offered Hunter a hotel in Moscow, but Joe insisted on a hotel AND a casino. Secret negotiations were held in a basement of a DC pizza parlor with ties to John Podesta and Hillary Clinton until late last night, but no deal has been reached. I am sure you will hear more about it of Fox News.

mpcamb

(2,868 posts)
25. Putin's got thousands marching in the streets against him. That's why...
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:27 PM
Apr 2021

He's not popular despite what what you might get from newsprint.

GB_RN

(2,329 posts)
4. Perhaps Putin Realized
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:52 AM
Apr 2021

That putting the equivalent of two US armies on the border of Ukraine was tantamount to a declaration of war and that Biden was likely to do something about it. After all, Biden is definitely not the “former guy” whom he could expect to say a few words and back down immediately…or even better, say nothing at all - especially considering Putin’s hand was up the “former guy’s” ass, making his mouth move.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
6. I think the deal was with Ukraine
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:06 AM
Apr 2021

I don't think they (Ukraine) really believed that the west would come to their aid. I mean we didn't last time. Putin takes part of eastern Ukraine and Crimea and got a slap on the wrist for it.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
17. Europe doesn't want war with Russia
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:19 PM
Apr 2021

and they're probably willing to sacrifice Ukraine to avoid it.

This also makes NATO looks weak though, so Putin knows he puts the US in a difficult situation.

Lovie777

(12,218 posts)
5. I don't trust Putin . . .
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:06 AM
Apr 2021

that said, I think President Biden and allies helped with this decision. I can picture Putin attending the virtual Climate Change conference as well. He may be power hungry but I believe he is aware of global warming.

thucythucy

(8,038 posts)
8. I wonder if the people of Ukraine regret
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:30 AM
Apr 2021

giving up their nuclear arsenal after the breakup of the USSR.

I'm all for de-nuking the world, but in this case it may have been counterproductive.

sarisataka

(18,477 posts)
13. This is the dangerous time
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:38 AM
Apr 2021

It gives a reason why all those troops can be moving. I'm sure they will be monitored with various intelligence assets to make sure they are moving the direction they are supposed to.

I never did hear if major support units also moved forward. If they did not, this was all a big bluff.

padah513

(2,496 posts)
18. I think it was a couple threats
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:48 PM
Apr 2021

Russia depends on its energy for its fiscal survival and a glut of oil on the market will drop the price of a barrel oil significantly. And they are in the process of building a pipeline to Germany. If that gets cut off their economy will suffer even more. We have a say in both instances and Russia knows it.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
19. The heavy weapons remain however..and wouldn't take long...
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:09 PM
Apr 2021

....to bring the forces back. And of course there will be troops still there to maintain everything.

And of course, then there is this.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/europe/ukraine-zelensky-putin-meeting-intl/index.html

Zelensky has been engaging with NATO for a stronger response against Russia for awhile and got nowhere. He's now pivoting.

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
21. Subterfuge maybe?
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:25 PM
Apr 2021

Ukraine calms down and relaxes, while all the Russian troops in their armored vehicles have a reason to be driving around everywhere. I wouldn't stand down if I was the Ukrainians.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,318 posts)
22. I'll believe it when they're gone.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:24 PM
Apr 2021

By "gone", I mean "moved elsewhere", not just changed into civilian clothing and wandering around like an armed militia.

SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
24. Russians have smartphones and use them
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:04 PM
Apr 2021

Russians use online video sharing more than people assume.
It is one of the few ways they can express their personal opinions without having to risk arrest at demonstrations.
The Ukrainians are also a tech savvy nation, as was seen during it's President's address on the Russian army buildup. The President basically warned of imminent war with Russia.

Once the Russian army starts moving out, it will be captured on cell phones and shared online. This will be the evidence of the Russian withdrawal from the Crimea region in Ukraine.

I, for one, look forward to seeing the videos, the russian equipment and maybe some interviews with Russian soldiers about the invasion of Crimea.
Russia does have a voice and it is not just Putin's. Millions should and likely will speak up, speak out loudly and Putin will have a very hard time avoiding criticism of the Crimea fiasco, which it now is.

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