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Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:58 PM

Federal safety agency says it has nearly two dozen open investigations into Tesla crashes

Source: The Hill

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said Thursday that it has opened over two dozen investigations into Tesla crashes, according to a report from Reuters.

Twenty-seven investigations have been opened into Tesla crashes, 23 of which are remain active, according to the wire service.

Four of the probes into the electric vehicle crashes have been completed. Three of the crashes have occurred in recent weeks, according to Reuters.

The news of multiple investigations comes after NHTSA announced this week that it would be investigating a Tesla crash in Michigan after state police said an electric vehicle crashed into a patrol car.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-safety-agency-says-it-has-nearly-two-dozen-open-investigations-into-tesla-crashes/ar-BB1fWP9r?li=BBnb7Kz

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Reply Federal safety agency says it has nearly two dozen open investigations into Tesla crashes (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 22 OP
abqtommy Apr 22 #1
Enter stage left Apr 22 #2
EarthFirst Apr 22 #3
abqtommy Apr 22 #4
bucolic_frolic Apr 22 #5
Miguelito Loveless Apr 22 #6
truthisfreedom Apr 23 #7
Miguelito Loveless Apr 23 #12
MichMan Apr 23 #8
Miguelito Loveless Apr 23 #10
Yavin4 Apr 23 #13
Miguelito Loveless Apr 23 #14
robbob Apr 23 #17
mac2766 Apr 23 #9
Miguelito Loveless Apr 23 #11
Yavin4 Apr 23 #15
mac2766 Apr 23 #16

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:03 PM

1. Ain't technology wunnerful? NOT!

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:06 PM

2. Just wondering what device you used to respond to this post?

smoke signals?

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:08 PM

3. lol

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:31 PM

4. Yeah, but only for "3 or 4 minutes"!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:00 PM

5. Never buy the latest technology

It's most expensive when cutting edge, and the bugs need a few years for engineers to work out. This is becoming a well-known mantra applicable across most technology categories.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:25 PM

6. I have been driving EV going on 7 years

a Tesla Model 3 for two and a half years. It is an early build and the only problem I have had is other drivers running lights and trying to change into my lane. The driver assist features have continuously gotten better, and the cars has a number of features it didnít have when I bought it.

I am skeptical of Robotaxis and full self-driving cars happening at any point in the next decade (based not only on tech not ready, but traffic laws woefully behind the tech curve), but anytime there is a major shift in tech, people have trouble adapting.

There are some design issues to be worked out, but on the whole EVs are a net positive, with Tesla showing one reason legacy automakers did not want to be first mass producing EVs.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 01:13 AM

7. +1

I own Tesla roadster #1204 and love it.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:29 PM

12. That is a nice looking car.

Way ahead of seven figure "super cars", yet oddly retro compared to the current iteration Model 3/Y as far as driver interface.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 04:44 AM

8. The issues have nothing to do with the method of propulsion

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Response to MichMan (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 11:55 AM

10. The issues have to do with people

not understanding the technology, and in some cases deliberately misusing it.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:33 PM

13. Just like they do with legacy automobiles.

But there aren't many headlines about that.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:36 PM

14. Exactly

There are trillions of dollars to be lost by legacy automakers and fossil fuel companies if EVs are successful. Tesla, being the may agent of change, has a huge target on its back.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 01:57 PM

17. I remember the stories from years (decades?) ago

about the RV driver who sets the cruise control and then heads back to make breakfast. No fix for stupid, unfortunately...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 08:28 AM

9. I'd be interested to know what prompted the investigations.

I'd also be interested to know how many on-going investigations there are against GM, Ford, and Chrysler related to ICE vehicles.

Technology is a wonderful thing. As soon as I need a new vehicle, I will purchase an EV. Probably not for another 5 years or so, but it will be an EV never-the-less. As improvements are made to battery and charging station technology, the EV experience and cost of ownership will improve.

It's easy to hate and criticize. It's very difficult to come up with, or embrace, a solution to a problem. People, in general, are prone to take a negative stance where technology is concerned.

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Response to mac2766 (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:22 PM

11. With EVs

there has been a genuine concern about how the battery pack will fare in an accident. The argument is that they are a fire hazard, but a lot of effort and engineering has been put into making the packs crash resistant. However, if you hit a solid object at 60+ mph, then you risk damaging the pack and causing a fire. Although the same is true for rupturing a gas tank in a similar situation and spilling x gallons of highly flammable gasoline on to a hot muffler and drivetrain.

There has also been a focus on AutoPilot with some folks believing the system is misnamed and lulls people into believing the car will drive itself, like an airplane autopilot will fly itself. Yet, people do NOT bother to read FAA regulations about aircraft autopilot systems which clearly spell out that such systems are their to assist the flight crew, not operate autonomously. They specifically explain that when autopilot is engaged, the pilot in command is STILL required to maintain control of the aircraft and be alert for problems, ready to take manual control at ANY time. Which is exactly what a Tesla AP system tells you when you engage it the first time. You, the driver, are responsible for the operation of the vehicle and must be ready to assume control of the car at any times. You must remain in your seat, with your hands on the wheel.

Some folks have deliberately circumvented safety systems designed to prevent "unattended" operation (Consumer Reports made a video explaining just how to do it) and then it is Tesla's fault that people do stupid things and get hurt.

Another investigation has involved "unintended acceleration" which seems to always involved people jumping the curb in a parking space and plowing into a stationary object (light pole, building, fire hydrant). Yet, when Tesla pulls the operation logs of the car they have found a misapplied pedal in every case (stepping on accelerator when they meant the brake). To be fair, you need to understand that because EVs have WAY more torque than a gas car, they will MOVE FAST if you step on the accelerator thinking it is the brake.

Do this type of new tech need to be watched carefully? Absolutely. Does Musk need to be less thin-skinned about such questions? Positively. Do some people create/exaggerate problems for ulterior motives (short sellers, competitors, anti-EV interests)? Without question.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:37 PM

15. My question is, how is this introduction of new auto tech any different from when the car was...

first introduced? Weren't there safety hazards, accidents, etc. when cars firs became available en masse? Any step forward will result in problems.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Apr 23, 2021, 01:17 PM

16. Tesla National Highway Traffic Safety Administration safety ratings.

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