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BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 10:03 AM Apr 2021

Supreme Court to hear major new gun control case next term on carrying weapons outside the home

Source: Washington Post

The Supreme Court announced Monday it will hear a major new gun control case next term, accepting a National Rifle Association-backed challenge that asks the court to declare there is a constitutional right to carry a weapon outside the home. The court will hear the challenge to a century-old New York gun control law in the term that begins in October. It is considering a law that requires those who seek a permit to carry a concealed weapon show a special need for self-defense. It is similar to laws in Maryland, Massachusetts and elsewhere that the court in the past has declined to review.

But the court’s new conservative majority has signaled it is more receptive to Second Amendment challenges. Several justices have said they are anxious to explore gun rights first acknowledged by the court in 2008, when it ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that individuals have the right to gun ownership for self-defense in their homes. “Perhaps the single most important unresolved Second Amendment question” in the time since then, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association says in its brief to the court, “is whether the Second Amendment secures the individual right to bear arms for self-defense where confrontations often occur: outside the home.”

The association contends that “the text, history, and tradition of the Second Amendment and this Court’s binding precedents compel the conclusion that the Second Amendment does indeed secure that right.” The court’s consideration of the petition coincides with recent mass shootings in Georgia and Colorado that left 18 dead. While President Donald Trump opposed gun control, President Biden wants more. Biden has urged the Senate to pass broader checks on gun buyers already approved by the House, and has said he supports restrictions on certain weapons.

His administration has said it would also pursue measures that did not require congressional action. The Supreme Court previously turned down a request to review the New York laws, and the state’s Attorney General Letitia James (D) had asked it to do so again. The state’s law “has existed in the same essential form since 1913 and descends from a long Anglo-American tradition of regulating the carrying of firearms in public,” she wrote in a brief to the court. She said it complied with the Supreme Court’s reasoning in Heller: “that the Second Amendment right is not unlimited and can be subject to state regulation consistent with the historical scope of the right.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-guns-second-amendment-national-rifle-association/2021/04/26/83e865c8-a690-11eb-8c1a-56f0cb4ff3b5_story.html

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Supreme Court to hear major new gun control case next term on carrying weapons outside the home (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 OP
Have casket manufacturers filed a friend of the Court brief yet? bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #1
Cops already assume everyone might be armed, and generally with good reason. Jedi Guy Apr 2021 #8
They will probably win due to the second amendment. cstanleytech Apr 2021 #2
Conservatives clearly want open warfare in the streets. It gives them cover to try and overthrow hadEnuf Apr 2021 #3
Continuing the movement to moot democracy. Trust_Reality Apr 2021 #7
That didn't take long FBaggins Apr 2021 #4
They're going to gut this the NY law. Calista241 Apr 2021 #5
Explore.... ok. Snackshack Apr 2021 #6
So what does this mean for places like NYC, DC, and Chicago? Polybius Apr 2021 #9
That would be a pretty broad overreach FBaggins Apr 2021 #10

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
1. Have casket manufacturers filed a friend of the Court brief yet?
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 10:10 AM
Apr 2021

Last edited Mon Apr 26, 2021, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)

This case has already been decided. Just taking it up tells you it's a 6-3 ruling.

Would the police support this? I doubt it. Who would want to be a cop with everyone armed?

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
8. Cops already assume everyone might be armed, and generally with good reason.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 08:57 PM
Apr 2021

I worked in dispatch for a department in a large-ish city in the Southwest, and they did a study that determined 70% of the cars stopped by officers contained a gun. If that filtered down to us in dispatch, you know for a fact that the uniformed officers were all aware of that little statistic.

That being the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see the association of police chiefs weigh in on this when SCOTUS hears the case.

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
2. They will probably win due to the second amendment.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 11:08 AM
Apr 2021

Sucks but until we can amend the Constitution laws that involve guns will always face Constitutional challenges.

hadEnuf

(2,177 posts)
3. Conservatives clearly want open warfare in the streets. It gives them cover to try and overthrow
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 12:39 PM
Apr 2021

the government by force. They want a bloodbath.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
4. That didn't take long
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 12:45 PM
Apr 2021

I had a feeling that the 9th Circuit was trying to weigh in last month (in Young v. Hawaii) before the higher court picked this one up.

I don't think there's a way for NY to moot this one before Kavanaugh uses it to undo all such decisions.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
5. They're going to gut this the NY law.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 12:45 PM
Apr 2021

Unlike the last time, I doubt they can modify the law to make the case moot.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
6. Explore.... ok.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 03:55 PM
Apr 2021

"Several justices have said they are anxious to explore gun rights first acknowledged by the court in 2008."

This court is broken.



Polybius

(15,336 posts)
9. So what does this mean for places like NYC, DC, and Chicago?
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:06 PM
Apr 2021

If they rule on the side of the gun lobby, will open carry be everywhere?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
10. That would be a pretty broad overreach
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 02:21 PM
Apr 2021

A loss would probably mean that states could no longer limit concealed carry permits to those who could show a special need. They would presumably still be able to restrict such permits to those who received specific training, passed background checks, etc.

IOW... they would shift from "may issue" to something close to "shall issue"... but mandating "open carry" is not likely in play.

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