Biden Hasn't Decided on Requiring U.S. Military Members to Get COVID-19 Vaccine -NBC Interview
Source: Reuters
President Joe Biden said he has not decided whether all U.S. armed servicemen and women should be required to get a COVID-19 vaccine, according to an NBC interview airing on Friday.
Biden said it would be a "tough call" and added that one consideration was that military personnel were often in close proximity to one another.
Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-04-30/biden-hasnt-decided-on-requiring-us-military-members-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-nbc-interview
FailureToCommunicate
(14,006 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 30, 2021, 03:31 PM - Edit history (1)
wearing.
It may be a "tough call" but that's WHY you need to make it.
Unit cohesion. No one gets left behind, right?
(Edited to clarify)
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,284 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,006 posts)significantly better covid-wise.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,284 posts)Here's what they've got:
Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
Blues Heron
(5,926 posts)how on earth is it a tough call? Why cater to the snowflake brigade?
C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)Yeah, this shouldn't be a tough decision. Might help weed out the crazies too.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)it varies by lots of factors like geographical location and mission requirements and the soldier's medical conditions or beliefs.
decision. They have other mandatory shots they must take. Now this should be one of them when it is fully approved. If they refuse, then they arent allowed to join or stay in the military.
onetexan
(13,020 posts)FBaggins
(26,719 posts)... but probably none that only have an emergency use authorization.
keithbvadu2
(36,644 posts)Can it affect unit readiness?
It disabled an entire nuke carrier.
ananda
(28,833 posts)Maybe
keithbvadu2
(36,644 posts)Yeah! I see your point..
I was thinking more along the lines of the not vaxing
Ramsey Barner
(349 posts)What if, say, 40% of the military refused to get vaccinated? Kick them out and fuel an armed insurrection?
Of course any military leader should order universal covid military vaccinations. And I'll bet that eventually the order will come down. But in the meantime, maybe order mandatory attendance at military medical covid info sessions and all military docs urging personnel to get vaccinated?
ancianita
(35,928 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,318 posts)And, the military should be able to move into various parts of the world. Even with J&J, it would take two weeks to build immunity prior to a deployment.
Before going overseas, military brings all participants to a level of immunity to likely regional diseases.
FarPoint
(12,282 posts)increased rate of infection can validate a mandate for the vaccine with military...I understand the caution with this decision.
70sEraVet
(3,474 posts)mandatory for troops, was that no Covid vaccine has been fully approved by FDA. How far are we from that?
kirkuchiyo
(402 posts)Don't remember where though so take that with a grain of salt.
COL Mustard
(5,869 posts)It's not required for the military until it's received full approval...EUA doesn't count. I'm not sure when full approval will happen, but I'd expect it to be mandated soon after that happens.
COL Mustard
(5,869 posts)And will be fully vaccinated next week.
mopinko
(69,987 posts)in fact, while they are looking for extremist views in the ranks, they should start w the ones who havent gotten it yet.
it's an obsession of kooks on both ends of the spectrum.
rainin
(3,010 posts)you have no off-post privileges. Something tells me their numbers are going to be pretty good. And proof of vaccination or negative test is required for visitors to attend graduation. In the absence of mandatory orders, this is a pretty effective way of incentivizing compliance
JohnSJ
(92,060 posts)You cannot say everyone should be vaccinated on the one hand, and make it voluntary to the military on the other hand
It is ridiculous, and really gives a bad look. The president just gave an address saying it isn't over yet, and people need to still follow precautions and get vaccinated
More soldiers were killed in WWI by the 1918 pandemic than by the actual war.
This will come back an haunt the administration if COVID infections breakout among the military, and the administration will be rightfully critisized if that happens.
The president is not going to gain support from the military regardless if he makes vaccinations voluntary or not.
marie999
(3,334 posts)The military and Dod are not allowed to mandate vaccinations without FDA approval. The President is allowed to using an executive order. The anthrax vaccine has caused illness. Veterans can put in for compensation for prolonged illness. I can see the Republicans jumping all over Biden if he mandates it. I can see the ads in 2022 and 2024 if any soldiers die or are disabled by the vaccine.
Bayard
(22,004 posts)Then, yes--should be done right away. It definitely looks bad, and puts many lives at risk. Wonder what the rate of infection is?
FBaggins
(26,719 posts)The US military is actually tracked separately on the worldometers site. Compared to states of a similar population (there are about 1.3 million active-duty military personnel), the infection rate over the last year is a little higher (which makes sense given the often close living conditions), but the death rate is dramatically smaller.
Elessar Zappa
(13,902 posts)once the emergency status is lifted, the vaccine should be required. No reason for it not to be.
hot2na
(356 posts)When I was in boot camp in 1975 we got so many vaccines that we would sometimes get them two at a time one in each arm. In one case you were to line up and drop your drawers and take your shot in the rear end and if you didn't pull your drawers back up fast enough they would send you off to happy hour (not an actual happy hour .
Ray Bruns
(4,073 posts)I don't remember anyone asking for me to get vaccinated. They just told me to get down to the mess deck and get my shot.
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)Doe vs Rumsfeld
orangecrush
(19,397 posts)womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)Most of them probably have natural immunity by now. Its the new variants that now might will be a problem for the world -including the vaccinated. Research is now being done on the triple mutation variant in India to see if it escapes natural immunity and vaccine immunity. This is a very uncharted place we are in. The 1918 virus did not mutate like this virus.
RobertDevereaux
(1,847 posts)womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)Very rarely die and most probably have natural immunity by now. Also, what Vax? With all the new variants here now and the current vaccines being sub optimal for the new variants who would decide to Vax them with what by the time of FDA approval. We hear Moderna and Pfizer are making a booster against the African strain but.... what about the new triple mutation strain in India & the ones coming after that. This is not an easy decision and Biden will not force it because it would be really politically bad for him.
IbogaProject
(2,780 posts)The issues are new tech and still only emergency use authorized. It can take two years to fully evaluate even initial safety analysis. It should be optional but if a non vaccinated soldier test positive they are discharged into the national guard if their health holds up or honorable discharge if they get real sick and don't fully recover.
Response to IbogaProject (Reply #28)
orangecrush This message was self-deleted by its author.
marie999
(3,334 posts)And how do you know they don't belong to something you don't know anything about? I did serve, 4 years in the army, and I stand by those who don't want a repeat of the anthrax vaccine.
Response to marie999 (Reply #39)
orangecrush This message was self-deleted by its author.