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Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:45 PM

Manchin says he doesn't support D.C. statehood bill

Source: WaPo

Sen. Joe Manchin III told reporters in his home state of West Virginia on Friday morning that he does not support the bill to make D.C. the nation’s 51st state, according to audio provided by the Democrat’s office and a report from WVNews.

Manchin, a key swing vote in the closely divided Senate, said he believed a constitutional amendment, rather than legislation, would be required to admit D.C. as a state. His stance deals a major blow to statehood advocates who were hoping for his support after the bill passed the House last week.

Manchin cited findings from the Justice Department under Presidents Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter and comments from then-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy in reaching his decision.

“They all came to the same conclusion: If Congress wants to make D.C. a state, it should propose a constitutional amendment. It should propose a constitutional amendment and let the people of America vote,” Manchin said in a radio interview with Hoppy Kercheval of West Virginia’s MetroNews, the full audio of which was provided to The Washington Post by Manchin’s staff.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/manchin-dc-statehood-amendment/2021/04/30/39fab2ae-a9dd-11eb-8d25-7b30e74923ea_story.html

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Reply Manchin says he doesn't support D.C. statehood bill (Original post)
demmiblue Apr 30 OP
elleng Apr 30 #1
choie Apr 30 #2
TDale313 Apr 30 #3
Miguelito Loveless Apr 30 #4
NYC Liberal Apr 30 #5
ColinC Apr 30 #6
msongs Apr 30 #7
Lulu Latech Apr 30 #19
Mr. Evil Apr 30 #8
Irish_Dem Apr 30 #46
Demnation Apr 30 #9
groundloop Apr 30 #49
AZLD4Candidate Apr 30 #10
Evolve Dammit Apr 30 #38
AZLD4Candidate Apr 30 #44
Evolve Dammit Apr 30 #57
AZLD4Candidate Apr 30 #62
packman Apr 30 #59
Polybius Apr 30 #60
AZLD4Candidate Apr 30 #61
Polybius Apr 30 #63
packman May 1 #68
moose65 May 1 #67
Marie Marie Apr 30 #11
Irish_Dem Apr 30 #47
WHITT Apr 30 #12
Polybius Apr 30 #34
WHITT Apr 30 #43
CaptainTruth Apr 30 #13
2naSalit Apr 30 #15
Irish_Dem Apr 30 #48
Corgigal Apr 30 #14
jimfields33 Apr 30 #20
Corgigal Apr 30 #21
jimfields33 Apr 30 #22
Polybius May 1 #66
TiberiusB Apr 30 #16
LenaBaby61 Apr 30 #45
oldsoftie Apr 30 #50
LenaBaby61 May 2 #71
Crowman2009 Apr 30 #56
Lulu Latech Apr 30 #17
JohnnyRingo Apr 30 #35
Galraedia Apr 30 #18
The Mouth Apr 30 #37
GemDigger Apr 30 #23
Rebl2 Apr 30 #24
turbinetree Apr 30 #25
mysteryowl Apr 30 #26
turbinetree Apr 30 #27
mysteryowl Apr 30 #29
turbinetree Apr 30 #30
mysteryowl Apr 30 #31
turbinetree Apr 30 #32
Trueblue1968 Apr 30 #58
Evolve Dammit Apr 30 #39
Fiendish Thingy Apr 30 #28
machoneman Apr 30 #33
Escurumbele Apr 30 #36
Evolve Dammit Apr 30 #42
JohnSJ Apr 30 #40
Humanist_Activist Apr 30 #41
DallasNE Apr 30 #51
GB_RN Apr 30 #52
EndlessWire Apr 30 #53
Jose Garcia Apr 30 #54
PoliticAverse Apr 30 #55
AZLD4Candidate May 1 #64
riversedge May 1 #65
Polybius May 1 #69
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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:47 PM

1. DAMN! We sure need a Rockefeller back in WV.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:48 PM

2. Of course he doesn't.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:51 PM

3. I'm shocked...

🙄

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:52 PM

4. Well, there's a shock

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:53 PM

5. They're not making the federal district a state.

They're reducing the district to the land around federal buildings. The rest of the land becomes a state.

What does the constitution have to do with anything?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 04:55 PM

6. Excuses. That's all

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:05 PM

7. well since WVA is a workers' paradise these days, he does not want more competition nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:08 PM

19. Exactly...

He's not giving up a lick of his nonsense.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:09 PM

8. He knows what's really brewing.

If DC becomes a state he'll lose his "swing vote" power. He'll be relegated back to just another Democratic (DINO actually) Senator.

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Response to Mr. Evil (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:15 PM

46. Exactly. He is fighting to keep his power.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:11 PM

9. With potentially two more Dem senators, he'd lose his relevance. Can't have that.

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Response to Demnation (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:28 PM

49. He'll REALLY lose relevance if Democrats don't hold onto the Senate.

If he had half a fucking brain he'd understand that holding the House and Senate should be priority number 1.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:14 PM

10. Statehood IS in the Constitution, Joe. Maybe you should read it

The requirements for statehood are already there. Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:44 PM

38. Good info. Thanks and welcome

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:55 PM

44. It's what I teach. I should know it. :) You're welcome.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:57 PM

57. We need this so badly in our educational system, starting in middle school. Thanks again

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 10:42 PM

62. I teach MS social studies.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 10:24 PM

59. Had to look it up

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.


That last part I noted - wasn't West Virginia brought into existence through that process?

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Response to packman (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 10:38 PM

60. I think the Constitution was saying that no two (or more) states can merge

States can still break into two or more new states.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 10:41 PM

61. No. No state can be made from existing states, or else the GOP would be petitioning to split Texas

rather than whining about DC statehood, because it will still balance the senate.

The only reason WV exists is because VA seceded and couldn't legally stop WV secession from VA.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 11:50 PM

63. Thanks for the info

I didn't know about that. I always thought states could break up.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #61)

Sat May 1, 2021, 08:24 PM

68. Ahh- Thanks for the explain

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Response to packman (Reply #59)

Sat May 1, 2021, 08:05 PM

67. Interesting

West Virginia stayed in the Union after Virginia seceded, and they petitioned Congress and became a state, if I recall correctly. I don’t know if the Virginia legislature voted to let them go, though.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:22 PM

11. Biting my tongue until it bleeds.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:20 PM

47. I know.

Love your sig line.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:28 PM

12. He's Full Of Shit

How the hell does he explain Hawaii and Alaska being admitted to the union with simple majority votes?

Bring it to the floor and call his bluff. If he's the only holdout it wouldn't be good optics for him, obviously.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:36 PM

34. The White House wasn't in those states

He’s saying the nation’s capital must be on federal ground and not in any state, which is what he’s quoting the others as saying.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:50 PM

43. The Federal Buildings

including the White House and Congress, would remain on federal property.

He's full of shit.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:32 PM

13. I'm really tired of this guy...

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:44 PM

15. That makes two of us...

I'm sure there's more.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:21 PM

48. Put me on the list.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:36 PM

14. How can he just ignore

all those people who love there, and probably pay higher taxes then most in WV. Not helping our brand.

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:09 PM

20. Some have mentioned giving half to Virginia and half to Maryland

If that’s the way to give them representation then let’s do it. A constitutional amendment will never happen and Manchin not voting for it keeps residence in limbo.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:11 PM

21. Agreed.

I meant to write live, but it got changed to love. That works too.

I feel for the people living there. They have just been asking forever. Something should have been done years ago.

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:14 PM

22. It has to be miserable for them. I'd hate it I know that.

It would give virginia and Maryland more electoral college and house seats which would help Democratic Party.

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #14)

Sat May 1, 2021, 01:10 PM

66. They're not in his state so he doesn't care at all

It's horrible.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 05:50 PM

16. Countdown to Manchin defense force in 3...2...1...

"But there hasn't been a vote yet, so he hasn't actually done any harm."

"You want a Republican that votes with us 0% of the time to take his place?"

"We have to learn to work with the Republicans on this."

"He's always there when it's important."

Feel free to copy these lines from my upcoming collection, "The Big Book of Bullshit Defenses for Joe Manchin."

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Response to TiberiusB (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:13 PM

45. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

Last edited Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I know that when Pres. Biden gets his first chance to place a black woman on the Supreme Court, this turd will probably say he's not voting for her because she's "too liberal." Same thing goes for that dipstick in Arizona, Sinema who we have to be wary of.

IF Manchin does that, Biden's gonna have a rough time with African-Americans come 2022, and it won't be the President's fault. The fault will lie at Manchin's feet and his feet ONLY, and same for Sinema if she votes against a black woman Pres. Biden places on the High Court.

People keep saying I'd rather have Manchin in there as a Dem.

Hell he's cutting the throats of Dems as a Dem.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:56 PM

50. He didnt vote against any of Pres Obama's picks. I dont see why color would matter to him

Manchin doesnt come off as a racist.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #50)

Sun May 2, 2021, 02:12 AM

71. Manchin doesn't come off as a racist.

I didn't say anything about racism with the reason as to why he'd vote against a woman of color who'd progressive that President Biden would want to put on the High Court. I'd have called him a racist if I felt that. He's drunk with power right now more than ever, and he'd just vote against a particular type of justice just to be the damn difficult DINO he is. That's how he rolls. He sat there and voted against Nera Tanden saying that her tone was too negative and decisive on twitter.

I mean really, the GQP party's tone stays nasty, racist, ignorant, and we know how viscous tRump was/is, and I guess that's fine with that fool Manchin. Hawley in Missouri called for an insurrection. So did Canadian Cruz, and Tanden's tone is too negative and decisive? Most in the GQP are ru$$ian agents like Ron Johnson and he stays talking stupid and racist, and it's TANDEN whose being divisive?

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Response to TiberiusB (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:51 PM

56. +1

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:06 PM

17. More Democratic Senators removes his soap box and visability.

He gets relegated to the back of the room. It is not to his advantage so screw the party and screw the people of the District. He is a selfish prig of a man.

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Response to Lulu Latech (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:40 PM

35. Yep...

He'll lose his status as Queen For A Day and go back to being a senator from West Virginia.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:07 PM

18. Put it up for a vote.

Let Moron Manchin be on the record for voting against it and face the backlash.

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Response to Galraedia (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:41 PM

37. What backlash?

The people *FOR* D.C. Statehood already hate his ass.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:15 PM

23. I wish I knew exactly what he does support.

He doesn't seem to support much when it comes to being the right thing to do.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:26 PM

24. BIG SURPRISE!

If it’s something we want to get done he doesn’t 🤬

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:31 PM

25. I need a drink, does he know how his state came into being.....JFC...

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:34 PM

26. He is just horrible!

I know the rules are that we should not slam a democrat, but Manchin is not functioning as a democrat.
We got rid of Moscow Mitch and now we have Manchin obstructing.

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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:48 PM

27. This is just beyond comprehension and I am biting my tongue

on what he said....all the emojis on this platform cannot speak to what he said .......... we are not stupid.......and I need a drink....... .

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:59 PM

29. I am reaching for the legal THC

Delta-9 THC.

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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:02 PM

30. Good one.....I still need a drink

...........

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:06 PM

31. Cheers

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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:11 PM

32. Thank you................

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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 10:01 PM

58. i agree with you. HE IS HORRIBLE.

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:45 PM

39. well said.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 06:53 PM

28. Fuck.That.Guy. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:23 PM

33. I agree: Fuck that guy and the horse he rode in on!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:40 PM

36. Manchin, republicans' favourite senator

The gift that keeps on giving to the republican party...

Doesn't this guy understand the reason he was elected was to help pass Democratic bills? They could have elected a republican if they wanted to.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:47 PM

42. Look at their governor.... WV has been under mining interest control for a long time. nt

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:46 PM

40. He also doesn't understand that to become a state doesn't require a constitutional amendment

Congress CAN grant 700,000 Americans a vote & fair representation.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:47 PM

41. Of course he does, his problems have nothing to do with the Constitution, he's

 

being disingenuous.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:10 PM

51. Explain This Then (From The 23rd Amendment)

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

That looks crystal clear to me. Congress can do it. I'm sure the drafter of this legislation are citing Section 2.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:33 PM

52. I Am Sick To Death

Of Joe “Roadblock” Manchin. He can go fornicate with himself, ingest excrement and expire.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:36 PM

53. Very tired of this guy.

He's a closet Repub. He just took McConnell's spot.

None of what he says means diddly. No concern whatsoever about what the people want.

I think that we should not fall for what he says. We should try to operate without him. We are not ready to call for ANY amendment of the Constitution. Even if we could get there, and wanted to, we have to follow correct procedure.

So, who's this guy been talking to? Separate the Federal land out and make D.C. a state. IF that's what the people want!

This guy likes to play games. He likes to tease, and he's after some hidden goal. I hope he enjoys his fifteen seconds of fame, cause he's not going to have this power much longer.

What has happened to our country??

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:37 PM

54. Even with Manchin's support, this had no chance of getting 60 votes

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:46 PM

55. Yes, I wonder if this is an easy "no" for him since he gets to build his conservative credentials

without actually having to be the deciding vote.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #54)

Sat May 1, 2021, 12:25 AM

64. Amazing how 50%+1 for a majority vote has turned into 60%

Pretty much government by stand still.

And this is what a lot of Americans seem to like. Democrats only won four seat, where at least eleven were electable and had extremely vulnerable Republicans.

It truly boggles the mind. At least Biden is pushing back on that Reagan "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" and the libertarian "Government that governs least governs best" claptrap.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat May 1, 2021, 08:05 AM

65. "It is how West Virginia was admitted in 1863, how Hawaii was admitted in 1959, and how D.C. will b

Manchin's state was admitted through congressional action. geez!!!



"It is how West Virginia was admitted in 1863, how Hawaii was admitted in 1959, and how D.C. will be admitted in 2021."

@Stasha_Rhodes
in response to Manchin's belief that D.C. statehood shouldn't happen through unilateral action by Congress.


?s=20










Manchin opposes D.C. statehood, dealing a blow to Democratic priority


President Biden has endorsed the measure, but with the Senate split 50-50 and no Republican support, Democrats can't afford any defections.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/manchin-opposes-d-c-statehood-dealing-blow-democratic-priority-n1266039

April 30, 2021, 6:34 PM CDT
By Sahil Kapur and Dartunorro Clark



..........................................

.................Stasha Rhodes, the campaign director for the pro-D.C.-statehood group 51 for 51, said in response that Manchin’s state came about by legislation. "It is how West Virginia was admitted in 1863, how Hawaii was admitted in 1959, and how D.C. will be admitted in 2021,” she said. “No member of the Senate should deny voting rights to 700,000 mostly Black and brown Washingtonians based on a flimsy understanding of the Constitution and American history.”

The Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed a bill last week, 216-208, along party lines, that would make the nation’s capital the 51st state. President Joe Biden has endorsed the measure, but Democrats have a 50-50 majority in the Senate and lack Republican support, meaning they cannot afford any defections in order to pass it in the current Congress.


In addition to unifying their caucus, passing the bill would also require the abolition of the filibuster. Manchin sided with legal scholars who say that D.C. statehood would require a change to the Constitution. However, other experts believe Congress can get around that by remaking a part of the District of Columbia, where the White House and Capitol are located, the "seat of the Government of the United States," as the Constitution says, and let the rest of the city of 700,000 become a state.

The legislation that passed the House proposes that by creating a 51st state with one representative and two senators, while a tiny sliver of land including the White House, the U.S. Capitol and the National Mall would remain as a federal district. Instead of the District of Columbia, the new state would be known as Washington, Douglass Commonwealth — named after famed abolitionist Frederick Douglass, who lived in Washington from 1877 until his death in 1895.

An identical statehood bill passed the House in 2020, but it died in the then-GOP-controlled Senate.

Manchin noted that even if Congress were to pass a statehood bill and have it signed into law, "you know it's going to go to the Supreme Court."

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Response to riversedge (Reply #65)

Sat May 1, 2021, 09:47 PM

69. "and how D.C. will be admitted in 2021."

Geet Jeswani has blatant overconfidence. In no way will DC be admitted in 2021.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 01:34 AM

70. Would Manchin have a problem in recombining...

North Dakota with South Dakota to become Dakota? How 'bout ND with Wyoming to become North Wyoming

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