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former9thward

(31,802 posts)
Sat May 1, 2021, 09:39 PM May 2021

Democrats signal they're open to concessions on infrastructure

Source: Washington Post

President Biden and top Democrats are signaling privately they are willing to make concessions over Biden’s $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, or break it into chunks, if that will attract even a handful of Republican votes and allow them to notch a bipartisan win, people familiar with the strategy say.

The president spoke recently with Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) and suggested he was contemplating her counteroffer of roughly $568 billion more seriously than he viewed the Republican response to his coronavirus relief legislation, which he dismissed quickly as inadequate.

Top Senate Democrats are meeting regularly with their Republican counterparts, and some have adopted a mantra — “slow, steady and piecemeal” — to signal their willingness to seek bipartisanship on smaller-scale bills, even if that doesn’t square neatly with Biden’s initial vision of immediate transformational change.

The new, more conciliatory strategy stands in sharp contrast with Democrats’ approach to the coronavirus relief package, which they viewed as more urgent and pushed through quickly with no Republican votes. It reflects Biden’s strong desire to head into the 2022 midterms with at least one bipartisan achievement, as well as the anxiety of some centrist Democrats about Biden’s sweeping plans.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-signal-theyre-open-to-concessions-on-infrastructure/2021/04/30/62b3e44a-a9f6-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_evening_edition&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_evening&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3222c91%2F608dc1639d2fdae302400541%2F596d5baaade4e207d296abee%2F8%2F57%2F608dc1639d2fdae302400541

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Democrats signal they're open to concessions on infrastructure (Original Post) former9thward May 2021 OP
I find this depressing nt XanaDUer2 May 2021 #1
Me too. It's a waste n/t Bobstandard May 2021 #2
It's probably a long haul plan hoping we get more real democrats in 2022 if we get something passed mucifer May 2021 #3
Republicans will water it down I_UndergroundPanther May 2021 #4
Are you suggesting no compromise on everything? speak easy May 2021 #5
Well don't let them water down I_UndergroundPanther May 2021 #6
Apparently, let it be perfect or nothing 😔 Hawker123 May 2021 #8
Waiting for Republicans means nothing happens Bobstandard May 2021 #12
Give them enough rope. speak easy May 2021 #15
It's what people said about the ACA rpannier May 2021 #18
Nope. speak easy May 2021 #40
Yep rpannier May 2021 #45
Never give an inch before negotiations rpannier May 2021 #20
Never signal before negotiatins that you're open to compromise rpannier May 2021 #19
Never signal WHAT you are prepared to compromise. speak easy May 2021 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #7
What opportunity? Hawker123 May 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #31
LMAO aocommunalpunch May 2021 #10
And then.....IF it still passes LiberalLovinLug May 2021 #37
Yep Hawker123 May 2021 #42
Groundhog Day! Dems cave....again SamsDrink May 2021 #11
No, not true. betsuni May 2021 #22
The ACA was an Heritage Foundation proposal SamsDrink May 2021 #39
Yes, why can't Democrats always know exactly what's going to happen in the future? betsuni May 2021 #44
oh crap bdamomma May 2021 #13
I do not blame biden DonCoquixote May 2021 #14
Didn't Obama have to deal with this? Lancero May 2021 #16
With our minority-rule system of governing, this is inescapable for the time being. PSPS May 2021 #17
I think Manchin is what has weakened us over pushing this through. Dont get me wrong I cstanleytech May 2021 #21
This is a signal to Manchin more than it is to Repubs. Beastly Boy May 2021 #23
Once again dems lose to the minority Fullduplexxx May 2021 #24
Did it escape your notice that we have a 50 50 Senate? We do not have a strong majority... Demsrule86 May 2021 #32
Um we have 51 with harris and with that we should be driving the car Fullduplexxx May 2021 #34
Unlike the republican cult Hawker123 May 2021 #43
And that's why they lose to the minority Fullduplexxx May 2021 #46
Just allow Senators to opt out for their state. greymattermom May 2021 #25
Would the same apply to the tax increases too? MichMan May 2021 #38
One easy way to slow it down greymattermom May 2021 #26
the wingers are in hog heaven... Maxheader May 2021 #27
Very, very tiny ones that sound far bigger than they are. paleotn May 2021 #28
This is because of the Budget Reconciliation loop-hole apnu May 2021 #29
Bullshit........ turbinetree May 2021 #30
Trump only got a Tax cut legislatively...so it has been gridlock since 2010 really. Demsrule86 May 2021 #33
Agreed ........ turbinetree May 2021 #47
And when did rethugs compromise with us under the last guy? Bayard May 2021 #35
"Open" doesn't mean "willing." Dems are not of a mind to cave anymore. Just give trumpcult a ancianita May 2021 #36
We don't negotiate with terrorists Blue_Tires May 2021 #48
Biden set both the price tag and ask at an unreasonably high level greenjar_01 May 2021 #49

mucifer

(23,373 posts)
3. It's probably a long haul plan hoping we get more real democrats in 2022 if we get something passed
Sat May 1, 2021, 10:01 PM
May 2021

manchin probably won't budge if they have to rely on the republicans and cutting that much out.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,450 posts)
4. Republicans will water it down
Sat May 1, 2021, 10:02 PM
May 2021

Than still vote no.

Please Dems don't let the pigs water it down. Fuck the republican assholes.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,450 posts)
6. Well don't let them water down
Sat May 1, 2021, 10:25 PM
May 2021

What the people need.

Republicans have no compassion,and are hypocrites and hate poor or working class people to have or get anything good or that would help their lives.

Remember that.
Compromise with thier selfish agenda in mind.

I would prefer we would not compromise with the psychopath pigs on the right.

But whatever..

Just remember they don't give a shit about our country. They are about power and domination and fucking over the poor working and middle class and anyone vulnerable or marginalized.

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
18. It's what people said about the ACA
Sun May 2, 2021, 05:30 AM
May 2021

We gave them enough rope and they pulled the Tea Party out of the well is what we got

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
45. Yep
Sun May 2, 2021, 06:07 PM
May 2021

The ACA passed, which had many Republican additions to it.
The Democrats wasted months negotiating with the likes of Olympia Snowe.
And we got the Tea Party and the 2010 disaster

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
20. Never give an inch before negotiations
Sun May 2, 2021, 05:37 AM
May 2021

You signal you're open to compromise they will get more than 50%

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
19. Never signal before negotiatins that you're open to compromise
Sun May 2, 2021, 05:36 AM
May 2021

Especially with Republikkans
The start with "We want 100% and then move toward 110%, before moving back again."
Democrats start with, we'll take half of what we want and the Republikkans end up with a lot of what they want

Response to former9thward (Original post)

Response to Hawker123 (Reply #9)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
37. And then.....IF it still passes
Sun May 2, 2021, 01:28 PM
May 2021

The ones that staunchly voted no will go back to their districts and brag about the new infrastructure projects coming, thanks to them!

 

SamsDrink

(50 posts)
11. Groundhog Day! Dems cave....again
Sat May 1, 2021, 10:51 PM
May 2021

I thought we learned that lesson after the Obamacare give-a-way for no R- votes. Why give in a dollar? The public is behind Biden.
Frustrating Biden.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
22. No, not true.
Sun May 2, 2021, 06:57 AM
May 2021

The House passed the ACA with a public option. There were only 60 Senate votes so a few conservatives in the Democratic coalition took that out and refused other progressive options. Wasn't Republicans. Everyone knows this.

 

SamsDrink

(50 posts)
39. The ACA was an Heritage Foundation proposal
Sun May 2, 2021, 02:28 PM
May 2021

That Obama thought the Republicans would go for. He supported it instead of pushing for more progressive proposals thinking he’d get the Republicans to join him. The Dems never learn.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
44. Yes, why can't Democrats always know exactly what's going to happen in the future?
Sun May 2, 2021, 05:48 PM
May 2021

Are their crystal balls always out of order or whatr? Thanks, Obama!

bdamomma

(63,652 posts)
13. oh crap
Sat May 1, 2021, 11:23 PM
May 2021

not that bipartisan stuff don't do it again. We need to break them in parts. I thought they were not going to repeat their 2008 mistakes.

Just plow them to the side, they GQP) don't need this consideration.. what ever happened to being bold.

Lancero

(2,979 posts)
16. Didn't Obama have to deal with this?
Sun May 2, 2021, 12:28 AM
May 2021

You'd think Biden would know their tricks, having a front row seat to them pulling this same shit with him.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
21. I think Manchin is what has weakened us over pushing this through. Dont get me wrong I
Sun May 2, 2021, 05:59 AM
May 2021

would rather have him than a Republican but still I wish he would be getting more on board with our people on things like this which can help millions of Americans.

Beastly Boy

(9,059 posts)
23. This is a signal to Manchin more than it is to Repubs.
Sun May 2, 2021, 07:11 AM
May 2021

If he doesn’t get on board, his priorities might be compromised away first.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
32. Did it escape your notice that we have a 50 50 Senate? We do not have a strong majority...
Sun May 2, 2021, 11:41 AM
May 2021

you want progressive legislation, we must have more Democrats.

Fullduplexxx

(7,818 posts)
34. Um we have 51 with harris and with that we should be driving the car
Sun May 2, 2021, 12:18 PM
May 2021

Like they did when they had 50-50 with Cheney breaking ties ... but instead the dems are getting beaten by the minority

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
25. Just allow Senators to opt out for their state.
Sun May 2, 2021, 07:51 AM
May 2021

If you vote against it, you don't get it. That will save a lot.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
26. One easy way to slow it down
Sun May 2, 2021, 07:52 AM
May 2021

is to start projects in states that voted for it. Let the R states see the difference.

apnu

(8,722 posts)
29. This is because of the Budget Reconciliation loop-hole
Sun May 2, 2021, 09:29 AM
May 2021

It can only be used once per session. An oddity of 2021 allows Congress to use it twice. The Republicans failed to use it in 2020, so this Congress gets a carry over. That was used to pass the COVID Relief package. So they have only one more shot to use it in 2021.

But the Dems have some huge priorities, not all can fit in one package, given the Reconciliation law. So they have to choose what will go through that hole.

If they do that with this infrastructure bill, they can’t use it for voting rights.

The Dems in Congress think they can do this infrastructure bill with out Reconciliation and save it for Voting Rights.

All of this is because of the Republicans abusing the filibuster.

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
30. Bullshit........
Sun May 2, 2021, 09:31 AM
May 2021

I keep thinking of the courts and what the fascists republicans did, and they did not compromise one iota.......I keep thinking of what they did to the EPA for four years, what they did over in the Interior Department, and the all time classic spending thirty one thousand dollars on dining table over at HUD...

Biden has 59% approval rating...

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
47. Agreed ........
Sun May 2, 2021, 06:59 PM
May 2021

then there was the 1.5 trillion tax cut, and I still paid state and federal taxes and 53 companies paid zilch in taxes..... and I think you and me and millions of others deserve better.......

Bayard

(21,802 posts)
35. And when did rethugs compromise with us under the last guy?
Sun May 2, 2021, 12:23 PM
May 2021

Never give up. Never surrender. We need this.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
36. "Open" doesn't mean "willing." Dems are not of a mind to cave anymore. Just give trumpcult a
Sun May 2, 2021, 12:53 PM
May 2021

taste of lucy and the football.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
49. Biden set both the price tag and ask at an unreasonably high level
Tue May 4, 2021, 01:41 PM
May 2021

So he could be seen to compromise on the way down.

Don't let pro-Republican posters tell you otherwise.

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