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Wed May 5, 2021, 09:04 AM

Facebook oversight board upholds Trump account's suspension

Source: Reuters

Facebook Inc (FB.O)'s oversight board on Wednesday upheld the company's suspension of former U.S. President Donald Trump in a much-awaited verdict that may signal how the company will treat rule-breaking world leaders in the future.

Facebook indefinitely blocked Trump's access to his Facebook and Instagram accounts over concerns of further violent unrest following the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol by supporters of the former president.

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The binding verdict marks a major decision for the board, which rules on a small slice of challenging content decisions and which Facebook created as an independent body as a response to criticism over how it handles problematic material. Facebook has also asked the board to provide recommendations on how it should handle political leaders' accounts.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/facebook-oversight-board-rule-trumps-return-facebook-2021-05-05/



https://oversightboard.com/news/
https://oversightboard.com/decision/FB-691QAMHJ/

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Reply Facebook oversight board upholds Trump account's suspension (Original post)
kpete May 2021 OP
msfiddlestix May 2021 #1
JohnSJ May 2021 #2
kpete May 2021 #4
Jon King May 2021 #24
Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #33
SKKY May 2021 #3
JohnSJ May 2021 #5
SKKY May 2021 #7
JohnSJ May 2021 #8
SmartVoter22 May 2021 #9
JohnSJ May 2021 #14
brush May 2021 #18
Hekate May 2021 #65
rurallib May 2021 #13
TNNurse May 2021 #17
Marthe48 May 2021 #6
mahatmakanejeeves May 2021 #10
JohnSJ May 2021 #11
dweller May 2021 #12
Midnight Writer May 2021 #15
mdbl May 2021 #62
lark May 2021 #16
Blue Owl May 2021 #19
Qutzupalotl May 2021 #20
bluestarone May 2021 #21
orangecrush May 2021 #26
Jon King May 2021 #22
LittleGirl May 2021 #31
orangecrush May 2021 #23
Paladin May 2021 #25
Jon King May 2021 #27
48656c6c6f20 May 2021 #28
GoneOffShore May 2021 #29
mdbl May 2021 #39
highplainsdem May 2021 #30
LittleGirl May 2021 #32
mnhtnbb May 2021 #34
twodogsbarking May 2021 #35
Jon King May 2021 #36
C Moon May 2021 #37
orleans May 2021 #38
Bayard May 2021 #40
orleans May 2021 #42
ancianita May 2021 #44
DesertRat May 2021 #41
Deminpenn May 2021 #43
ancianita May 2021 #45
dchill May 2021 #46
onecaliberal May 2021 #47
usaf-vet May 2021 #48
Dream Girl May 2021 #64
usaf-vet May 2021 #69
Pepsidog May 2021 #49
Rocknation May 2021 #50
usaf-vet May 2021 #51
634-5789 May 2021 #52
Polybius May 2021 #59
634-5789 May 2021 #68
dlk May 2021 #53
PortTack May 2021 #54
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 #55
BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #56
sarge43 May 2021 #57
BlueWavePsych May 2021 #58
iluvtennis May 2021 #60
SWBTATTReg May 2021 #61
not fooled May 2021 #63
Historic NY May 2021 #66
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Cha May 2021 #70

Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:05 AM

1. Good to read.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:06 AM

2. It is misleading, they are still deciding whether to reinstate trump or not, to re-evaluate

after six months

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #2)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:11 AM

4. Yes, complicated...

Oversight Board upholds Facebook decision to restrict Trump, but says “it was not appropriate for Facebook to impose the indeterminate and standardless penalty of indefinite suspension."


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Response to kpete (Reply #4)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:01 AM

24. It will still be a permanent ban.

This just says that within 6 months Facebook must review and determine that it was proportionate to other punishments which it was. In fact Trump got more chances than others so the ban will be upheld.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #2)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:28 AM

33. Yes. Like they are parsing words

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:09 AM

3. While I'm not a huge fan of censorship, of any type, this is a wise decision....

....he broke their rules, period. This isn't a 1st Amendment issue because he's free to come up with his own platform, blog, etc. In no way, shape, or form does this infringe on his 1st Amendment rights.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #3)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:15 AM

5. It isn't a first amendment issue because it is a private company, not a government enterprise to

which the first amendment applies

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #5)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:19 AM

7. Oh yea, I agree, but I have heard Republicans make that argument...

Last edited Wed May 5, 2021, 03:57 PM - Edit history (1)

...so I am just making the argument on their grounds. Not in reality. We know they don't live there with the rest of us.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #7)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:21 AM

8. no surprise that republicans would be misleading and outright dishonest about it

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Response to SKKY (Reply #7)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:23 AM

9. The rest of us...

Trump goes in one ear, and gains speed out the other side.
Six months of peace & quiet.

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Response to SmartVoter22 (Reply #9)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:41 AM

14. I will take anything to prevent that machiavellian scum from propagating lies and encouraging

more insurrections


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Response to SmartVoter22 (Reply #9)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:49 AM

18. Six months of a further muzzled trump is good. The less visidble...

he is the better. He has no twitter either so in six months he'll be even less relevant and relatively silent in the public discourse. The cowardly GOP will continue to kiss his ass but de-platformed trump helps Joe Biden and the rest of us Dems.

The nation can move on and find out it doesn't need the constant vitriol.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #7)

Wed May 5, 2021, 02:30 PM

65. In the 19 years I've been at DU I've had that argument many times, as it is a *very* common error

... on the left, not just the right, that the First Amendment allows us to yell “Fire!” in a crowded stadium (or the equivalent).

Stick to reality, as you say. .

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #5)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:35 AM

13. Exactly!

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #5)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:44 AM

17. yes, let the whining and false free speech complaints begin.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:16 AM

6. Happy Wednesday!

Made my day to read this

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:24 AM

10. Adding a link:

Facebook’s ban of Trump upheld by Oversight Board

The company banned Donald Trump indefinitely following the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, citing posts that it said encouraged violence. The company referred the decision to its largely independent Oversight Board, which is Facebook-funded, to rule on a final decision.

By Elizabeth Dwoskin and Cat Zakrzewski • 5 minutes ago

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:27 AM

11. I suspect their reasoning is that trump isn't an ordinary citizen, and the fact that he is

still perpetuating the lie that he used to incite the insurrection was a major factor for revisiting this in six months, because at this time they view his actions as a real threat to incite violence against the government based on lies and disinformation.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:29 AM

12. 😎



✌🏻

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:41 AM

15. At least no one is claiming "I think he learned a lesson"

Everyone seems to concede that if he comes back he will spew the same (and worse) crap he got suspended for in the first place.

Not even his supporters are claiming that he will act responsibly and within Facebook terms of service.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #15)

Wed May 5, 2021, 02:03 PM

62. Susan Collins is concerned

she thought he learned his lesson after the 1st impeachment.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:43 AM

16. Good, next make it permanent.

Keep his unrelenting right wing lies away from us, we don't want him infecting us every worse.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:50 AM

19. FACT: Donald T***p is unlikeable

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:51 AM

20. Psych!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:53 AM

21. I'm thinking the ONLY way to even think about QRUMPS reinstatement should take place ONLY AFTER

QRUMPS apology, plus he should state the fact that there was NO stealing of the 2020 election!! If not then BAN continues!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #21)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:01 AM

26. No apology



Except a prison sentence is adequate.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 09:58 AM

22. This is about the future of the free world.

Trump is a threat to our democracy, the democracies of the world, the climate, everything. The entire planet must throw everything they have to bring this POS to his knees. Lets hope the NY examination of his tax documents yields some indictments.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #22)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:20 AM

31. Ding ding ding, exactly. I like the way you think. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:00 AM

23. Today is a good day.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:01 AM

25. Outstanding! (nt)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:03 AM

27. Don't sweat the 6 month review stuff.

The board just said Facebook must review and make sure his punishment was proportionate to others which it was. Facebook will never let him back on because they are in a fight for the best employees to continue to grow. If they let him back on, they will lose plenty of talent to other tech firms.

He is never coming back on Facebook or Twitter.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:03 AM

28. My bans have never been allowed a review board.

Why does fuck face Mcfuck Face get special consideration?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:07 AM

29. This makes my psychotic raccoon spirit animal very happy.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #29)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:43 AM

39. Mine too

LOL

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:10 AM

30. Great news!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:21 AM

32. Best news I've had all week! eom

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:28 AM

34. Finally appropriate consequences for the lies

he tells and the violence he promotes.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:30 AM

35. It wasn't an ethical decision,

it was financial.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:36 AM

36. The board said Facebook must either delete his account or put a time limit on ban.

The board said Facebook's own rules called for either a time limit on the ban or if the violations bad enough, an account deletion.

They will just delete the account and be done with it. Like others said, a financial decision because his followers will still use Facebook for various means and the loss of high level tech talent that hates Trump would have crippled their growth.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:38 AM

37. Maybe he can start doing 30-second dancing videos on TicTok.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:43 AM

38. people can still repost his shit on facebook & twitter

"On Tuesday, Trump launched a new web page to share messages that readers can then re-post to their Facebook or Twitter accounts."

(from reuters link)

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Response to orleans (Reply #38)

Wed May 5, 2021, 10:53 AM

40. As usual, trying to cheat

If they ban trump, they must ban these people too for spreading his promotion of violence and sedition through the backdoor.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #40)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:01 AM

42. i'm wondering if they end up on fb how long will those posts be allowed to stand

before the fb guard deletes them.

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Response to orleans (Reply #42)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:15 AM

44. I read yesterday that Twitter is already removing them (saw examples), so there's that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:00 AM

41. He can't run ads or raise money on the platform

Or spew his hateful lies. Outstanding!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:09 AM

43. This is as much about future lawsuits as it is about

anything else. Now that we've all seen what Trump cultists can and will do, think about the next person who is physically or mentally injured as a result of something Trump posts. Facebook/Zuckerberg have a lot of $s. There'll be plenty of lawyers lining up to take the case.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:16 AM

45. To Facebook's Oversight Board

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:25 AM

46. "Rule-breaking world leaders" for $200, Alex.

It's a category.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:30 AM

47. Now if we can just get people to stop posting what comes out of his vile criminal mouth.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:33 AM

48. Excellent!! All elected officials should be either band from or HELD to high standards on....

..... all Social Media.

Never mind the Free Speech argument.

Try yelling FIRE in a packed theater. Or threatening death or bodily harm to a sitting President, VP, Congress members, and other elected officials.

You will quickly find that there are limits to FREE SPEECH!

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #48)

Wed May 5, 2021, 02:22 PM

64. This!

 

Ban them all!

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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #64)

Wed May 5, 2021, 05:38 PM

69. This!

I would be totally with you on that. Ban them all. With one simple benchmark... lie and you are done. PERIOD!!

You know like Jewish lasers starting wildfires or ingesting bleach to cure Covid.

When I was growing up in the 50 and 60s the common meme was these are OUR airwaves.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:40 AM

49. Surprising and good news. Now of FB can create a time machine that erases Trump existence

the world would be a better place. In fact, have the rime machine bring us back to 2000 so we can elect Al Gore and I can invest in some tech stocks then we can forgive FB. Just imagine Presidents Gore, Obama, and Clinton. How much different the world and country would look.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:42 AM

50. If Trump WEREN'T a policitican, it wouldn't even have become a subject of discussion

That's why I think banning him is the right move on all levels. He's rich and powerful enough to start a social media network of his own.


Rocknation

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:42 AM

51. NOW IF THE MSM would stop giving platforms to public "leaders" who use the airways to spread LIES...

..... we will IMO finally get some thoughtful progress instead of organized rebellions bolstered by MSM outlets.

FOX News of course is the worst!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:53 AM

52. Not good enough.

Grow a set, Zuck.

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Response to 634-5789 (Reply #52)

Wed May 5, 2021, 12:58 PM

59. What else do you want Zuck to do?

Trump's banned for good, unless he gets reinstated from a future decision (unlikely).

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Response to Polybius (Reply #59)

Wed May 5, 2021, 05:21 PM

68. I don't trust Zuckerberg, I don't trust his people.

I'll believe trump is done when I see it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:57 AM

53. FB is considering whether or not Democratic regulation is just around the corner

Opportunists to the core, neither right and wrong, nor the good of the country are part of their equation. Otherwise, the former guy would have been permanently banned ages ago for consistently violating their “terms of service.”

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 11:57 AM

54. Yes, would luv a permanent ban..I'll take the 6 months..anything!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 12:17 PM

55. Neener neener Trumpolini

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 12:25 PM

56. Well, that is sure something.

I'm not fully convinced that FB has become the even-handed arbiter of behaviour, but this is far better than the inverse.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 12:36 PM

57. That will generate an unnatural excitement in the criminal class. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 12:58 PM

58. Hah!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 01:00 PM

60. It's a happy day - yes!!! n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 01:38 PM

61. It is pathetic that our own government won't step in and prosecute rump to the fullest extent of the

law and nail him for tax evasion, fraud, incitement of violence among his cult, and more. Our own government...witness how long things seem to be taking w/ all of the lawsuits put on hold simply because he was PINO. Where are all of the lawsuits and everything that was suspended? Why the delays? I suspect that the thug BARR was involved in some manner to illegally throw out these lawsuits, or worse, and even made fake judgments on disposing of cases, etc.

It is time to quit prancing around and avoid the issue(s) and start nailing trump to the wall.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 02:21 PM

63. Hahahahahahahahaha

And on Cinco de Mayo, no less. More mariachis and less red don--it's a good thing.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 02:35 PM

66. Greast News...we don't need him

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 02:40 PM

67. Good. Facebook should just delete his account now. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed May 5, 2021, 06:25 PM

70. lol.. All Psycho's "Billions"

can't buy him a twitter, FB, Or Instagram account.

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