2 Catholic bishops at odds over Biden receiving Communion

[BlueWavePsych]

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Source: AP

They share Roman Catholicism as a faith and California as their home base. Yet there’s a deep gulf between Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco and Bishop Robert McElroy of San Diego in the high-stakes debate over whether politicians who support abortion rights should be denied Communion.

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“It will bring tremendously destructive consequences,” McElroy wrote. “The Eucharist is being weaponized and deployed as a tool in political warfare. This must not happen.”

The polarized viewpoints of the two prelates illustrate how divisive this issue could be if, as expected, it comes before the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops at its national assembly starting June 16. There are plans for the bishops to vote on whether the USCCB's Committee on Doctrine should draft a document saying Biden and other Catholic public figures with similar views on abortion should refrain from Communion.

In accordance with existing USCCB policy, any such document is likely to leave decisions on withholding Communion up to individual bishops.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2-catholic-bishops-at-odds-over-biden-receiving-communion/ar-BB1gx7ss

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Weaponized religious nunsense

[FarPoint]

1. They will force the Pope.

To command them..

[DownriverDem]

6. How so?

The Pope has consistently said things these righties don't agree with.

[NYC Liberal]

9. The pope is also virulently anti-choice.

If the issue is abortion, he will likely side with the anti-choicers.

[DownriverDem]

14. And I don't

think communion plays a part. The Pope has never said deny someone communion. Americans are a la cart Catholics. They pick and choose what they will believe and accept.

[multigraincracker]

2. Looks like the RCC is going to split....

....again.

[jimfields33]

22. Two busybody bishops from California

President Biden’s priest in Washington obviously is cool with him taking communion and that’s all that matters. I am Catholic but this is ridiculous.

[Freethinker65]

3. Do these males have any idea how many parishioners accepting communion take birth control?

How many performed the ceremony of turning bread into body and wine into blood while turning a blind eye to sexual abuse? While they can offer opinions on who should take communion, the decision to accept it should be between the parishioner and their faith in God.

[WA-03 Democrat]

10. Yes

I am not Catholic but went through Catholic schools. We were taught the rhythm method for family management. I don’t recall them sharing the exact formula but the basic theory was no sex during days with high odds of pregnancy during the monthly cycle. Better than 50% effective!

Tax the church get all the people out who are in it for the love of money rather than the love of people.

[Freethinker65]

13. Tell that to my devout SIL decades ago who was in tears at news of child #5

She got her daughter on birth control as soon as the daughter started dating.
Most of the Catholic females I know will admit to using methods other than the rhythm method to manage their sanity and family size, most with their husband's blessing.
These families are not denied communion.

I left the church when I refused to be confirmed. No regrets.

[DownriverDem]

15. And that's

how I was conceived. Failed rhythm method!

[piddyprints]

21. Do you know what they call people who use the rhythm method of birth control?

Parents.

My sister is married to a Catholic and they have 6 kids. Yeah, she told me that joke.

[SWBTATTReg]

4. So, the democratic party, overwhelming in favor of human rights, LGBT rights, women's rights, black

rights, and a whole slew of ABC to Z rights of all kinds of suppressed groups in this Country and the world, would be held hostage by the Catholic Church and its beliefs, even though they supported pedophile priests, moved suspect priests out of parishes to avoid prosecution and cash settlements, all while knowing about this disgusting issue at the upper levels of the church and still did nothing?

[DownriverDem]

5. Hard for you to believe, I know

Many Catholics view the Church as it relates to them. They ignore the crap they don't agree with. It's called a la cart Catholics. Biden should have communion brought to him at the WH and still attend mass. See what German Catholics are doing:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142740882

[RevBrotherThomas]

16. Regarding the German bishops...

These kind of statements usually come from retired bishops. The movement in Germany to bless same-sex couples is coming from the ACTIVE clergy, priests AND bishops. This is not a small deal.

Will it cause schism? Yes, I believe it will, and it won't stop in Europe. I am an independent Catholic priest (left because of allllllll the Roman Church's 'below-the-belt doctrines). The last significant schism was after the first Vatican Council when Papal Infallibility was defined as doctrine; my community follows the line that separated from Rome at that point, known as the Old Catholic Church. The effects of the Second Vatican Council are still being felt.

Regarding the communion denial issue coming up now, it is significant because the issue usually only heats up immediately before presidential elections. That American bishops a choosing to take a stand with this now is indicative of the widening gap in the American Church.

[TlalocW]

7. It's funny when Catholic clergy debate moral issues

As if the church has any kind of claim to do so.

TlalocW

[Girard442]

8. Time to file any pronunciations by the hierarchy of the RCC...

...in the file folder marked "Epstein."

[radical noodle]

11. This is the weapon that Protestants tried to use against Kennedy

The claim that a president would do what's right for the church before what is right for the country could be a powerful argument if the church starts punishing the president. The hard-liners need to re-think this.

[Warpy]

12. Cardileone needs to have his nose rubbed in the text

about rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to go that which is god's until he gets the difference between religious dogma and civil law.

My guess is that he's bucking for Pope.

[LittleGirl]

17. F*ck Off

Not the OP, those bishops.

[Ziggysmom]

18. The Catholic BS about divorce is just as ridiculous!

So you’re supposed to endure a cheating spouse because marriage is for life?

[bucolic_frolic]

19. God left these 2 clerics with differences of opinion on dogma?

It's political hogwash.

[HariSeldon]

20. Biden, as anyone, will be welcomed by any ECC community

The Eccumenical Catholic Communion is a breakaway branch of the Catholic church where each community is its own legal entity and the laity are directly and incontravertably involved in decision-making, both at the local community and Communion level. We meet people where they are and do not engage in the "othering" of women (yes, there are women who are priests and a bishop), homosexuals, divorcées, women who make necessary decisions about their bodies, and other groups I'm missing here maligned by the Roman Catholic Church.

My personal view is that the Roman Catholic Church served as a very imperfect vessel to carry some essential truths for a time, but now is a time to hold those same truths in an improved (though still, as all human creations, imperfect) vessel steered through the consensus of those who genuinely believe in Christ's message of love and redemption -- the message Ghandi appreciated despite the Christians he reportedly encountered.

[IronLionZion]

23. Not this shit again

[Crowman2009]

24. Let me guess, the bishop from San Diego is one of those Opus Dei SOBs?

[PatrickforB]

25. Bull Shit. Wow.

These people have sold out to the Republicans over this one backburner issue. Old white guys have no place telling women what they can and cannot do, and if we had better policies in place around women's healthcare, and the availability of contraception, there would be very few abortions indeed.

[obamanut2012]

26. Canon 915 -- They literally cannot refuse it

I learned it in CCD, taught it in CCD, and doubled checked and it is still Canon.

The general rule of canon law is that "sacred ministers cannot deny the sacraments to those who seek them at appropriate times, are properly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them"; and "any baptized person not prohibited by law can and must be admitted to holy communion".

[Omaha Steve]

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