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BumRushDaShow

(128,436 posts)
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:12 PM May 2021

CDC says fully vaccinated Americans no longer need masks indoors or outdoors in most cases

Source: Washington Post

Americans who are fully vaccinated can go without masks or physical distancing in most cases, even when they are indoors or in large groups, federal officials said Thursday, paving the way for a full reopening of society. The change represents a huge shift symbolically and practically for pandemic-weary Americans, millions of whom have lived with the restrictions for more than a year. A growing number have complained they cannot do more even after being fully vaccinated and criticized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of being overly cautious. More than 117 million Americans are now fully vaccinated, or about 35 percent of the population.

CDC officials cited a growing body of real-world evidence demonstrating the efficacy of the coronavirus vaccines and noted the shots offer protection even against more contagious variants circulating in the United States. They said they also factored in the country’s declining cases, and the rarity of breakthrough infections in people who are fully vaccinated. Nonetheless, officials cautioned the guidelines could change again if the pandemic should worsen. The relaxation of restrictions does not apply to airplanes or health-care settings. Officials also noted that some occupational settings may still require masks. They urged those who are immune-compromised to speak with their doctors before giving up their masks.

The guidance means that millions of fully vaccinated Americans can begin returning to pre-pandemic activities, including school and work, that they have largely eschewed since last March. The country is seeing the lowest number of new daily cases it has had in eight months, and deaths have decreased from a high of about 3,000 per day in January to about 600 per day now, as many of the most vulnerable, including the elderly, have been inoculated.

“This is a day that I think will be marked as a true turning point in the pandemic in the United States in that we have three vaccines that are highly effective, we have enough vaccines for everyone in our country who’s 12 years and older to get vaccinated who wants it, and we’re being told that it is safe to roll back a number of the measures that we’ve come to rely on for controlling this pandemic,” said Richard Besser, former acting director of the CDC and president and chief executive of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. “The idea that people who are fully vaccinated can take off their masks, can go outside, can go inside, be around people and not have to worry about covid anymore, that’s absolutely huge,” Besser said.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/13/cdc-says-fully-vaccinated-americans-no-longer-need-masks-indoors-or-outdoors-most-cases/



Note there are still all kinds of "caveats" to this.

They are getting yanked back and forth and it is just a shame.
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CDC says fully vaccinated Americans no longer need masks indoors or outdoors in most cases (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2021 OP
Caveats: NYC Liberal May 2021 #1
Most school-age kids are not vaccinated yet FakeNoose May 2021 #2
im still going to wear mine for safteys sake. AllaN01Bear May 2021 #3
Same here. This feels like an irresponsible move at this stage. CentralMass May 2021 #5
I'm going to keep wearing one when I'm in a store. Siwsan May 2021 #13
True bdamomma May 2021 #41
I will continue to wear a mask, and carry hand sanitizer, and wet wipes with me. Tess49 May 2021 #14
I'm never giving up my hand sanitizer or wet wipes. IcyPeas May 2021 #34
Absolutely!! ailsagirl May 2021 #50
Same here! I'm too old to take chances. And I don't want people thinking I'm a Republican/Karen. NurseJackie May 2021 #53
I didn't wear red for the entirety of the Trump... 3catwoman3 May 2021 #61
Me, too. I don't trust other people enough... 3catwoman3 May 2021 #60
Thank you President Biden underpants May 2021 #4
This is going to be difficult to prove whose vaccinated and whose not jimfields33 May 2021 #7
I'm still going to wear my mask DippyDem May 2021 #6
Good thinking, LOL! 50 Shades Of Blue May 2021 #8
True! And Welcome to DU COL Mustard May 2021 #15
Yep, don't want to look like a trumper. brush May 2021 #24
...... bdamomma May 2021 #42
My thought too, I'd hate to have people think I'm one of those... Unwind Your Mind May 2021 #65
Numbers are supposed to start plummeting in about a month, so I'll keep wearing mine until then. NT Bleacher Creature May 2021 #9
I am so ready for this! forthemiddle May 2021 #10
And neither will anyone else durablend May 2021 #12
Doesn't help me much left-of-center2012 May 2021 #11
Same here, masks are required in any business - groceries, gas stations, banks, pharmacies Rhiannon12866 May 2021 #70
"Vaccinated people can end mask use and social distancing"... That is the new message from the CDC Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #16
The numbers are still not lower than when we were first asked to mask up ... aggiesal May 2021 #17
There were likely significantly more cases than reported when we started wearing masks. Ace Rothstein May 2021 #23
I'll agree with that ... aggiesal May 2021 #28
"Pendejo45." I love that. Gave me a chuckle. brush May 2021 #26
An appropriate name, as far as I'm concerned. Glad I made you chuckle, but I was going for ... aggiesal May 2021 #30
Heeheehee. You're good. brush May 2021 #35
Masked and vaxed C_U_L8R May 2021 #18
I hope I'm wrong in thinking there will be a bump in cases nitpicker May 2021 #19
Only the vaccinated can go without masks? That's just dumb. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2021 #20
If you are vaccinated the chance of you getting sick with or without the mask is about the same. cinematicdiversions May 2021 #29
If the non-vaccinated get sick from Covid, my sympathy level is dropping fast. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2021 #33
HAS THE CDC DECIDED TO BE BLIND TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN INDIA? KatyBR May 2021 #21
We're nothing like India as we have vaccinated a significant portion of our population. Ace Rothstein May 2021 #25
Has your neighbor gotten his kids and wife the vaccine? If not, why not? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2021 #36
doing this before we reach vaccine herd immunity is a mistake imho, I will still wear a mask. nt yaesu May 2021 #22
This might have to do w/studies that show if you had any of the 3 shots your nose can no longer .. Botany May 2021 #27
You won't know who got the Vaccine & who didn't. I'll continue to wear a mask. Trueblue1968 May 2021 #31
Yes thank you bdamomma May 2021 #37
I'm with you jovibennett May 2021 #38
Remember only fully vaccinated Americans can remove masks ... aggiesal May 2021 #32
I'm still going to wear mine. littlemissmartypants May 2021 #39
sad bdamomma May 2021 #46
I was just reading about boosters, bdamomma. If we need them littlemissmartypants May 2021 #52
Though I am still concerned that we do not have a reliable "vaccine passport"... Blasphemer May 2021 #40
Personal Responsibility..I'm still Roc2020 May 2021 #43
Unvaxxed unmasked idiots will catch COVID fast IronLionZion May 2021 #44
This s a bad idea, isn't it? RVN VET71 May 2021 #45
If you're vaccinated, you don't have much risk of serious illness or death. Yavin4 May 2021 #48
This is excellent news. Provides a strong incentive to get the vaccine. Yavin4 May 2021 #47
Who is going to check if they had the vaccine or not? LisaL May 2021 #55
It's up to the individual to take on the risk of not getting vaccinated. Yavin4 May 2021 #57
and the tables have kind of turned as those of us who choose to keep wearing a mask will yaesu May 2021 #49
Well, as someone Karma13612 May 2021 #51
How will anybody know who is vaccinated and who is not? LisaL May 2021 #54
I'm fully vaccinated... VarryOn May 2021 #59
I am going to continue wearing a mask for multiple reasons. One being ALLERGIES. FlyingPiggy May 2021 #56
Yep, especially when I have to mow the lawn under dry weather conditions. Crowman2009 May 2021 #63
you're bdamomma May 2021 #69
BIG MISTAKE... HUAJIAO May 2021 #58
I'm not taking my chances! Crowman2009 May 2021 #62
Only for situations where contact tracing is possible IbogaProject May 2021 #64
This should infect the unvaccinated faster bucolic_frolic May 2021 #66
One of the issues that seems to be the main excuse used by some of the 'hesitant" vaxxers BumRushDaShow May 2021 #67
That is absolutely true bucolic_frolic May 2021 #68

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
1. Caveats:
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:18 PM
May 2021
The relaxation of restrictions does not apply to airplanes or health-care settings. Officials also noted that some occupational settings may still require masks. They urged those who are immune-compromised to speak with their doctors before giving up their masks.

FakeNoose

(32,577 posts)
2. Most school-age kids are not vaccinated yet
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:22 PM
May 2021

Hopefully it will happen this summer, before the next school year resumes.

Siwsan

(26,248 posts)
13. I'm going to keep wearing one when I'm in a store.
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:55 PM
May 2021

I'm far too worried about these variants coming out of India.

IcyPeas

(21,841 posts)
34. I'm never giving up my hand sanitizer or wet wipes.
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:08 PM
May 2021

I'll keep wearing my mask when in stores or near groups of people though.

3catwoman3

(23,944 posts)
61. I didn't wear red for the entirety of the Trump...
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:01 PM
May 2021

...administration because I didn’t want to signal that I might be a Republican.

3catwoman3

(23,944 posts)
60. Me, too. I don't trust other people enough...
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:58 PM
May 2021

...to believe that they are immunized if they are not wearing masks. The mask holes and anti-vaxxers will use this as an opportunity to stop masking.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
4. Thank you President Biden
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:30 PM
May 2021

I just wanted to say that because you won’t hear it in the media.

Well okay then. If vaccinated so that means all the morons who refused to get vaccinated get a pass I guess.

jimfields33

(15,678 posts)
7. This is going to be difficult to prove whose vaccinated and whose not
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

I wish they waited until September to do this. I guess we’ll see how it turns out. But on vaccinations, President Biden is doing an incredible job!

DippyDem

(659 posts)
6. I'm still going to wear my mask
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:35 PM
May 2021

even tho I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine in public spaces. With all the mask wearing and hand washing last winter, there were virtually no flu sickness anywhere! Plus I don't want to go around looking like a Republican! LOL!

Unwind Your Mind

(2,041 posts)
65. My thought too, I'd hate to have people think I'm one of those...
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:17 PM
May 2021

We’re socializing at home with other vaccinated people but otherwise go on as before

forthemiddle

(1,375 posts)
10. I am so ready for this!
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:49 PM
May 2021

I wonder if establishments will follow the guidelines, or will they err on the side of caution?

I know that if a place doesn’t require them, I won’t be wearing them!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
11. Doesn't help me much
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:49 PM
May 2021

I'm fully vaccinated but need a mask for public transit, medical offices, grocery, and stores like Target.
Guess I don't need one to take out my trash or get the mail.

Rhiannon12866

(204,702 posts)
70. Same here, masks are required in any business - groceries, gas stations, banks, pharmacies
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:40 PM
May 2021

The only place where it's not required is when I'm out by myself with my dog in the yard. And in public places, there's no way of knowing who's vaccinated or not. Also, Bill Maher just tested positive and he was vaccinated, his show is canceled for this week.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
17. The numbers are still not lower than when we were first asked to mask up ...
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:30 PM
May 2021

Until we reach those levels, I will not take off my mask and will continue to social distance myself.

And those people who don't wear masks and are not vaccinated, the virus will eventually find you,
and procreate.

This is way too early to make this call.
CDC is trying to make up for their lapse under Pendejo45's administration.

Ace Rothstein

(3,141 posts)
23. There were likely significantly more cases than reported when we started wearing masks.
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:42 PM
May 2021

It was almost impossible to get a test back then unless you were on your deathbed.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
28. I'll agree with that ...
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:50 PM
May 2021

but there are no numbers to compare against.
There are numbers to compare against with 7-day trends in infections, hospitalizations & deaths.
Until those numbers fall below the 3/17/2020 numbers when we, in California, were asked to
shelter at home, I will not take off my mask.

The zipcode that I live in, has the 2nd highest covid cases in San Diego County.
The top 5 zipcodes are all around me. So I'm very aware of the numbers and I
believe this call is being made way too early.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
30. An appropriate name, as far as I'm concerned. Glad I made you chuckle, but I was going for ...
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:52 PM
May 2021

spraying your drink and damaging your keyboard.

Maybe next time.

C_U_L8R

(44,986 posts)
18. Masked and vaxed
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:32 PM
May 2021

I'm gonna keep wearing it out of respect for others (and just in case). At least until things are really in the clear.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
19. I hope I'm wrong in thinking there will be a bump in cases
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:32 PM
May 2021

(1) As the fully vaccinated rush into crowds 30 minutes after getting the last shot:
(2) As the newly vaccinated rush into crowds 30 minutes after getting the first/only shot
because "I'm protected".

It takes time (estimated 2 weeks) before the full benefits of the shot manifest, and a few get low protection levels.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
20. Only the vaccinated can go without masks? That's just dumb.
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:38 PM
May 2021

Unvaccinated anti-vaxxers, often of the right-wing variety, have been going maskless anyway. So now, they can go unmasked and unchallenged. I expect to see very few masks from now on, though only half of us are fully vaccinated.

CDC might as well just say "nobody has to wear a mask, period".

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
29. If you are vaccinated the chance of you getting sick with or without the mask is about the same.
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:52 PM
May 2021

That is what they are saying. If the non-vaccinated, non mask wearers get sick as a result that is on them.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
33. If the non-vaccinated get sick from Covid, my sympathy level is dropping fast.
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:08 PM
May 2021

I don't like my uncaring attitude, maybe I'm just tired of the pandemic, tired of stupid excuses for not getting vaccinated.

And, yes, I know there are a few who have good medical reason for avoiding the vaccine. If one of them catches it, my sympathy is on full blast. For those few.

KatyBR

(183 posts)
21. HAS THE CDC DECIDED TO BE BLIND TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN INDIA?
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:40 PM
May 2021

The average Joe reading about India's COVID decimation can't help but think India is in the position Wuhan was last January.
Do they think that variant is NOT coming across the ocean?

I had a neighbor three weeks ago who was vaccinated, as was his brother and his dad and mom. The brother worked in a warehouse. He, his brother, his mom and data, all got COVID (they think from the warehouse working brother). My neighbor brought it home unknowingly after helping his dad to the hospital. His wife and both kids (12,14) all got COVID.

So this advice to forget about your mask when you've been vaccinated is horribly irresponsible. We the vaccinated can definitely give it to each other. Wear your mask. keep 6 feet distant when you can.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
36. Has your neighbor gotten his kids and wife the vaccine? If not, why not?
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:11 PM
May 2021

It's available now for all of them. It's been available for his wife for a while.

Leave the mask. Take the shots.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
27. This might have to do w/studies that show if you had any of the 3 shots your nose can no longer ..
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:50 PM
May 2021

... be receptive to or transmit the virus.

Less than 5 total months and look at what Joe has done by listening to "the experts and science."

Very soon if you want to go to a football game, work, a restaurant, Canada, or get on a plane, train, bus
or a ship you will have to show proof of being vaccinated.




bdamomma

(63,794 posts)
37. Yes thank you
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:13 PM
May 2021

I said the same thing how do you know, the ones that were vaccinated??? I'll still wear a mask.

jovibennett

(120 posts)
38. I'm with you
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:15 PM
May 2021

to many unvaccinated people will say they are. It will catch up to them at some point. I'm not ready to make this jump yet. I work with a staff that doesn't believe in vaccines so there's that and I live in Florida where the cases are going up

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
32. Remember only fully vaccinated Americans can remove masks ...
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:03 PM
May 2021

How about those non-Americans and un-Americans?
They still need to mask-up?

Just highlighting a poorly written announcement, although I don't mind un-Americans still masking up.

littlemissmartypants

(22,548 posts)
39. I'm still going to wear mine.
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:19 PM
May 2021

I am wondering if this is, maybe in part, an attempt to make vaccine hesitant individuals get vaccinated, so they can do without a mask. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I will continue to wear mine. I've learned that you can't trust anyone else in the world. It makes me really sad.

bdamomma

(63,794 posts)
46. sad
Thu May 13, 2021, 05:09 PM
May 2021

is correct, there are many selfish, misinformed people. I think it's too soon, also we will never have herd immunity, we will still have people dying. If a booster is needed, I'll take it.

littlemissmartypants

(22,548 posts)
52. I was just reading about boosters, bdamomma. If we need them
Thu May 13, 2021, 06:06 PM
May 2021

How can we be sure we don't need masks?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/05/12/nation/heres-what-moderna-executive-said-about-possibility-covid-19-booster-shot/

Moderna’s chief executive on Wednesday discussed the biotech’s progress in developing a booster shot against COVID-19 variants, saying the company hopes to have authorization from the Food and Drug Administration on one of three booster strategies by the end of the summer or early fall.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
40. Though I am still concerned that we do not have a reliable "vaccine passport"...
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:21 PM
May 2021

I think this was the right call. I think the data we have so far on transmission among the vaccinated supports the decision. But, more than that, I suspect this policy change is calculated to encourage vaccination uptake.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
44. Unvaxxed unmasked idiots will catch COVID fast
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:57 PM
May 2021

and then we'll have herd immunity through a combination of vaccinated and people who were infected.

The wild cards are of course variants and anyone who can't get vaccinated yet because reasons like medical conditions or whatever.

I live in a city and will continue to wear masks indoors around people.

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
45. This s a bad idea, isn't it?
Thu May 13, 2021, 05:01 PM
May 2021

It means that all you have to do to go maskless is -- if challenged (and you probably won’t be -- claim you’ve been vaccinated. Which means a lot of un-vaccinated people will just pretend and, thus, put at risk other people.

I’d prefer a more conservative rule. But then who am I? (I’ve been vaccinated, but my immune compromised son and my frail daughter law have not yet had that pleasure. I’d like a rule that guarantees them some protection.)

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
48. If you're vaccinated, you don't have much risk of serious illness or death.
Thu May 13, 2021, 05:24 PM
May 2021

If you're not vaccinated, then yes, you are taking a huge risk much like smoking cigarettes. Your son and daughter in law should get vaccinated as soon as possible.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
47. This is excellent news. Provides a strong incentive to get the vaccine.
Thu May 13, 2021, 05:14 PM
May 2021

The next step is that health insurance companies will require the vaccine as a requirement for coverage. And hospitals will begin charging you for non-vaccinated, COVID-19 treatment.

You may have a choice to not get the vaccine, but just like smoking, you will have to pay for any treatment related to your choice.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
57. It's up to the individual to take on the risk of not getting vaccinated.
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:36 PM
May 2021

Government cannot mandate that people wear masks and socially distance indefinitely. We have to get back to normal after more than a year.

Not getting vaccinated is like smoking cigarettes. You know the health risks.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
49. and the tables have kind of turned as those of us who choose to keep wearing a mask will
Thu May 13, 2021, 05:25 PM
May 2021

be looked upon as outsiders, even Biden just stated that people should be patient with those who choose to continue mask wearing like WTF!!!

Karma13612

(4,541 posts)
51. Well, as someone
Thu May 13, 2021, 06:02 PM
May 2021

Who is fully vaccinated as of the end of March, and an eyeglass wearer, I am going to go maskless in certain indoor situations. I always have my vaccine card with me and will be happy to show it on request. As I said, I will do this in certain circumstances like when I am trying to read something and my glasses are fogging to the point that I can’t see anything. I pinch the mask over the bridge of my nose, I attempt to get my glasses to rest over the top of the mask (can’t because the height of my glasses is too short), and I have used special lens cleaning clothes to reduce fog: all to no avail.

So, phase 2 has begun at least for those of us who are vaccinated. We live in a rural area (NY-21 near the Canadian border) and we just don’t have the population density they many DU’ers face. So, I think cautious optimism is in order!!

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
54. How will anybody know who is vaccinated and who is not?
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:26 PM
May 2021

Anti-maskers could just lie and claim they are vaccinated.
Does anybody think otherwise?

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
59. I'm fully vaccinated...
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:43 PM
May 2021

I'm not going to worry if some maskless chump next to me in the check-out line is vaccinated.

FlyingPiggy

(3,376 posts)
56. I am going to continue wearing a mask for multiple reasons. One being ALLERGIES.
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:31 PM
May 2021

I don't care what people think. It helps me with my allergies as well. And in the fall/winter, I will be wearing masks bc I am not going to get the "viral crud" that goes around every year. No thanks. These masks work for me as I see fit. Maybe not in the summer, though.

HUAJIAO

(2,379 posts)
58. BIG MISTAKE...
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:39 PM
May 2021

I don;t even know where to begin !!!

Many here have already posted their concerns.

It's just stupid!!!!

Crowman2009

(2,490 posts)
62. I'm not taking my chances!
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:13 PM
May 2021

During my life I've had pneumonia, bronchitis, allergies, the flu, survived rocket attacks in Iraq, bicycle collisions, and other near-death experiences. So I'll be damned if I'm gonna take my mask off when there are fuckin' idiots who don't give a damn about the health of other people because they believe some BS they saw posted by some random con-man/nutjob on social media.

IbogaProject

(2,786 posts)
64. Only for situations where contact tracing is possible
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:15 PM
May 2021

This is good advice only for situations where contact tracing is possible. As we won't know about the new variants and their possible spread.
I'm staying masked anywhere I am unsure of being able to know where an infection came from.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
66. This should infect the unvaccinated faster
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:23 PM
May 2021

so they'll either feel pressed to comply, or .... well, you get the idea.

BumRushDaShow

(128,436 posts)
67. One of the issues that seems to be the main excuse used by some of the 'hesitant" vaxxers
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:37 PM
May 2021

is the fact that these vaccines are only being given under the provisions of an EUA vs being officially "fully approved". Many places around the country, including here in Philly, have run into some of the most critical "front line" workers - hospital staff and long-term care providers, as well as police/fire fighters, and even some teachers, who have refused to be vaccinated - many claiming it is specifically because of that issue. In fact the numbers I've seen bandied about is that fully 1/2 of workers in those occupations have refused the vaccine, and they were at or near the front of the line to get the shots initially, alongside the over 75s, back this past December/January.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
68. That is absolutely true
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:46 PM
May 2021

Corroborated in my hospital volunteer work. That resistance presented some early unexpected openings to those willing to go for it, and recently I saw workers still not vaccinated.

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