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Thu May 13, 2021, 02:12 PM

CDC says fully vaccinated Americans no longer need masks indoors or outdoors in most cases

Source: Washington Post

Americans who are fully vaccinated can go without masks or physical distancing in most cases, even when they are indoors or in large groups, federal officials said Thursday, paving the way for a full reopening of society. The change represents a huge shift symbolically and practically for pandemic-weary Americans, millions of whom have lived with the restrictions for more than a year. A growing number have complained they cannot do more even after being fully vaccinated and criticized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of being overly cautious. More than 117 million Americans are now fully vaccinated, or about 35 percent of the population.

CDC officials cited a growing body of real-world evidence demonstrating the efficacy of the coronavirus vaccines and noted the shots offer protection even against more contagious variants circulating in the United States. They said they also factored in the country’s declining cases, and the rarity of breakthrough infections in people who are fully vaccinated. Nonetheless, officials cautioned the guidelines could change again if the pandemic should worsen. The relaxation of restrictions does not apply to airplanes or health-care settings. Officials also noted that some occupational settings may still require masks. They urged those who are immune-compromised to speak with their doctors before giving up their masks.

The guidance means that millions of fully vaccinated Americans can begin returning to pre-pandemic activities, including school and work, that they have largely eschewed since last March. The country is seeing the lowest number of new daily cases it has had in eight months, and deaths have decreased from a high of about 3,000 per day in January to about 600 per day now, as many of the most vulnerable, including the elderly, have been inoculated.

“This is a day that I think will be marked as a true turning point in the pandemic in the United States in that we have three vaccines that are highly effective, we have enough vaccines for everyone in our country who’s 12 years and older to get vaccinated who wants it, and we’re being told that it is safe to roll back a number of the measures that we’ve come to rely on for controlling this pandemic,” said Richard Besser, former acting director of the CDC and president and chief executive of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. “The idea that people who are fully vaccinated can take off their masks, can go outside, can go inside, be around people and not have to worry about covid anymore, that’s absolutely huge,” Besser said.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/13/cdc-says-fully-vaccinated-americans-no-longer-need-masks-indoors-or-outdoors-most-cases/



Note there are still all kinds of "caveats" to this.

They are getting yanked back and forth and it is just a shame.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:18 PM

1. Caveats:

The relaxation of restrictions does not apply to airplanes or health-care settings. Officials also noted that some occupational settings may still require masks. They urged those who are immune-compromised to speak with their doctors before giving up their masks.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:22 PM

2. Most school-age kids are not vaccinated yet

Hopefully it will happen this summer, before the next school year resumes.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:26 PM

3. im still going to wear mine for safteys sake.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:30 PM

5. Same here. This feels like an irresponsible move at this stage.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:55 PM

13. I'm going to keep wearing one when I'm in a store.

I'm far too worried about these variants coming out of India.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #13)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:21 PM

41. True

I don't mind wearing them especially when you are smothered by people.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:05 PM

14. I will continue to wear a mask, and carry hand sanitizer, and wet wipes with me.

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Response to Tess49 (Reply #14)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:08 PM

34. I'm never giving up my hand sanitizer or wet wipes.

I'll keep wearing my mask when in stores or near groups of people though.

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Response to Tess49 (Reply #14)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:01 PM

50. Absolutely!!

Same here

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:39 PM

53. Same here! I'm too old to take chances. And I don't want people thinking I'm a Republican/Karen.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #53)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:01 PM

61. I didn't wear red for the entirety of the Trump...

...administration because I didn’t want to signal that I might be a Republican.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:58 PM

60. Me, too. I don't trust other people enough...

...to believe that they are immunized if they are not wearing masks. The mask holes and anti-vaxxers will use this as an opportunity to stop masking.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:30 PM

4. Thank you President Biden

I just wanted to say that because you won’t hear it in the media.

Well okay then. If vaccinated so that means all the morons who refused to get vaccinated get a pass I guess.

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Response to underpants (Reply #4)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:37 PM

7. This is going to be difficult to prove whose vaccinated and whose not

I wish they waited until September to do this. I guess we’ll see how it turns out. But on vaccinations, President Biden is doing an incredible job!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:35 PM

6. I'm still going to wear my mask

even tho I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine in public spaces. With all the mask wearing and hand washing last winter, there were virtually no flu sickness anywhere! Plus I don't want to go around looking like a Republican! LOL!

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Response to DippyDem (Reply #6)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:38 PM

8. Good thinking, LOL!

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Response to DippyDem (Reply #6)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:12 PM

15. True! And Welcome to DU

Welcome!

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Response to DippyDem (Reply #6)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:44 PM

24. Yep, don't want to look like a trumper.

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Response to DippyDem (Reply #6)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:22 PM

42. ......

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Response to DippyDem (Reply #6)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:17 PM

65. My thought too, I'd hate to have people think I'm one of those...


We’re socializing at home with other vaccinated people but otherwise go on as before

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:44 PM

9. Numbers are supposed to start plummeting in about a month, so I'll keep wearing mine until then. NT

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:49 PM

10. I am so ready for this!

I wonder if establishments will follow the guidelines, or will they err on the side of caution?

I know that if a place doesn’t require them, I won’t be wearing them!

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #10)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:53 PM

12. And neither will anyone else

Vaccinated or not. Pretty much can guarantee that.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:49 PM

11. Doesn't help me much

I'm fully vaccinated but need a mask for public transit, medical offices, grocery, and stores like Target.
Guess I don't need one to take out my trash or get the mail.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #11)

Thu May 13, 2021, 10:40 PM

70. Same here, masks are required in any business - groceries, gas stations, banks, pharmacies

The only place where it's not required is when I'm out by myself with my dog in the yard. And in public places, there's no way of knowing who's vaccinated or not. Also, Bill Maher just tested positive and he was vaccinated, his show is canceled for this week.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:27 PM

16. "Vaccinated people can end mask use and social distancing"... That is the new message from the CDC

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:30 PM

17. The numbers are still not lower than when we were first asked to mask up ...

Until we reach those levels, I will not take off my mask and will continue to social distance myself.

And those people who don't wear masks and are not vaccinated, the virus will eventually find you,
and procreate.

This is way too early to make this call.
CDC is trying to make up for their lapse under Pendejo45's administration.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #17)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:42 PM

23. There were likely significantly more cases than reported when we started wearing masks.

It was almost impossible to get a test back then unless you were on your deathbed.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #23)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:50 PM

28. I'll agree with that ...

but there are no numbers to compare against.
There are numbers to compare against with 7-day trends in infections, hospitalizations & deaths.
Until those numbers fall below the 3/17/2020 numbers when we, in California, were asked to
shelter at home, I will not take off my mask.

The zipcode that I live in, has the 2nd highest covid cases in San Diego County.
The top 5 zipcodes are all around me. So I'm very aware of the numbers and I
believe this call is being made way too early.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #17)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:47 PM

26. "Pendejo45." I love that. Gave me a chuckle.

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Response to brush (Reply #26)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:52 PM

30. An appropriate name, as far as I'm concerned. Glad I made you chuckle, but I was going for ...

spraying your drink and damaging your keyboard.

Maybe next time.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #30)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:10 PM

35. Heeheehee. You're good.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:32 PM

18. Masked and vaxed

I'm gonna keep wearing it out of respect for others (and just in case). At least until things are really in the clear.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:32 PM

19. I hope I'm wrong in thinking there will be a bump in cases

(1) As the fully vaccinated rush into crowds 30 minutes after getting the last shot:
(2) As the newly vaccinated rush into crowds 30 minutes after getting the first/only shot
because "I'm protected".

It takes time (estimated 2 weeks) before the full benefits of the shot manifest, and a few get low protection levels.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:38 PM

20. Only the vaccinated can go without masks? That's just dumb.

Unvaccinated anti-vaxxers, often of the right-wing variety, have been going maskless anyway. So now, they can go unmasked and unchallenged. I expect to see very few masks from now on, though only half of us are fully vaccinated.

CDC might as well just say "nobody has to wear a mask, period".

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #20)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:52 PM

29. If you are vaccinated the chance of you getting sick with or without the mask is about the same.

That is what they are saying. If the non-vaccinated, non mask wearers get sick as a result that is on them.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #29)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:08 PM

33. If the non-vaccinated get sick from Covid, my sympathy level is dropping fast.

I don't like my uncaring attitude, maybe I'm just tired of the pandemic, tired of stupid excuses for not getting vaccinated.

And, yes, I know there are a few who have good medical reason for avoiding the vaccine. If one of them catches it, my sympathy is on full blast. For those few.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:40 PM

21. HAS THE CDC DECIDED TO BE BLIND TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN INDIA?

The average Joe reading about India's COVID decimation can't help but think India is in the position Wuhan was last January.
Do they think that variant is NOT coming across the ocean?

I had a neighbor three weeks ago who was vaccinated, as was his brother and his dad and mom. The brother worked in a warehouse. He, his brother, his mom and data, all got COVID (they think from the warehouse working brother). My neighbor brought it home unknowingly after helping his dad to the hospital. His wife and both kids (12,14) all got COVID.

So this advice to forget about your mask when you've been vaccinated is horribly irresponsible. We the vaccinated can definitely give it to each other. Wear your mask. keep 6 feet distant when you can.

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Response to KatyBR (Reply #21)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:45 PM

25. We're nothing like India as we have vaccinated a significant portion of our population.

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Response to KatyBR (Reply #21)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:11 PM

36. Has your neighbor gotten his kids and wife the vaccine? If not, why not?

It's available now for all of them. It's been available for his wife for a while.

Leave the mask. Take the shots.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:41 PM

22. doing this before we reach vaccine herd immunity is a mistake imho, I will still wear a mask. nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:50 PM

27. This might have to do w/studies that show if you had any of the 3 shots your nose can no longer ..

... be receptive to or transmit the virus.

Less than 5 total months and look at what Joe has done by listening to "the experts and science."

Very soon if you want to go to a football game, work, a restaurant, Canada, or get on a plane, train, bus
or a ship you will have to show proof of being vaccinated.




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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 03:58 PM

31. You won't know who got the Vaccine & who didn't. I'll continue to wear a mask.

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Response to Trueblue1968 (Reply #31)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:13 PM

37. Yes thank you

I said the same thing how do you know, the ones that were vaccinated??? I'll still wear a mask.

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Response to Trueblue1968 (Reply #31)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:15 PM

38. I'm with you

to many unvaccinated people will say they are. It will catch up to them at some point. I'm not ready to make this jump yet. I work with a staff that doesn't believe in vaccines so there's that and I live in Florida where the cases are going up

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:03 PM

32. Remember only fully vaccinated Americans can remove masks ...

How about those non-Americans and un-Americans?
They still need to mask-up?

Just highlighting a poorly written announcement, although I don't mind un-Americans still masking up.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:19 PM

39. I'm still going to wear mine.

I am wondering if this is, maybe in part, an attempt to make vaccine hesitant individuals get vaccinated, so they can do without a mask. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I will continue to wear mine. I've learned that you can't trust anyone else in the world. It makes me really sad.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #39)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:09 PM

46. sad

is correct, there are many selfish, misinformed people. I think it's too soon, also we will never have herd immunity, we will still have people dying. If a booster is needed, I'll take it.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #46)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:06 PM

52. I was just reading about boosters, bdamomma. If we need them

How can we be sure we don't need masks?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/05/12/nation/heres-what-moderna-executive-said-about-possibility-covid-19-booster-shot/

Moderna’s chief executive on Wednesday discussed the biotech’s progress in developing a booster shot against COVID-19 variants, saying the company hopes to have authorization from the Food and Drug Administration on one of three booster strategies by the end of the summer or early fall.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:21 PM

40. Though I am still concerned that we do not have a reliable "vaccine passport"...

I think this was the right call. I think the data we have so far on transmission among the vaccinated supports the decision. But, more than that, I suspect this policy change is calculated to encourage vaccination uptake.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:52 PM

43. Personal Responsibility..I'm still

going to wear my mask and avoid any indoor crowds.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:57 PM

44. Unvaxxed unmasked idiots will catch COVID fast

and then we'll have herd immunity through a combination of vaccinated and people who were infected.

The wild cards are of course variants and anyone who can't get vaccinated yet because reasons like medical conditions or whatever.

I live in a city and will continue to wear masks indoors around people.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:01 PM

45. This s a bad idea, isn't it?

It means that all you have to do to go maskless is -- if challenged (and you probably won’t be -- claim you’ve been vaccinated. Which means a lot of un-vaccinated people will just pretend and, thus, put at risk other people.

I’d prefer a more conservative rule. But then who am I? (I’ve been vaccinated, but my immune compromised son and my frail daughter law have not yet had that pleasure. I’d like a rule that guarantees them some protection.)

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Response to RVN VET71 (Reply #45)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:24 PM

48. If you're vaccinated, you don't have much risk of serious illness or death.

If you're not vaccinated, then yes, you are taking a huge risk much like smoking cigarettes. Your son and daughter in law should get vaccinated as soon as possible.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:14 PM

47. This is excellent news. Provides a strong incentive to get the vaccine.

The next step is that health insurance companies will require the vaccine as a requirement for coverage. And hospitals will begin charging you for non-vaccinated, COVID-19 treatment.

You may have a choice to not get the vaccine, but just like smoking, you will have to pay for any treatment related to your choice.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #47)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:27 PM

55. Who is going to check if they had the vaccine or not?

I think this is a really bad decision.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #55)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:36 PM

57. It's up to the individual to take on the risk of not getting vaccinated.

Government cannot mandate that people wear masks and socially distance indefinitely. We have to get back to normal after more than a year.

Not getting vaccinated is like smoking cigarettes. You know the health risks.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:25 PM

49. and the tables have kind of turned as those of us who choose to keep wearing a mask will

be looked upon as outsiders, even Biden just stated that people should be patient with those who choose to continue mask wearing like WTF!!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:02 PM

51. Well, as someone

Who is fully vaccinated as of the end of March, and an eyeglass wearer, I am going to go maskless in certain indoor situations. I always have my vaccine card with me and will be happy to show it on request. As I said, I will do this in certain circumstances like when I am trying to read something and my glasses are fogging to the point that I can’t see anything. I pinch the mask over the bridge of my nose, I attempt to get my glasses to rest over the top of the mask (can’t because the height of my glasses is too short), and I have used special lens cleaning clothes to reduce fog: all to no avail.

So, phase 2 has begun at least for those of us who are vaccinated. We live in a rural area (NY-21 near the Canadian border) and we just don’t have the population density they many DU’ers face. So, I think cautious optimism is in order!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:26 PM

54. How will anybody know who is vaccinated and who is not?

Anti-maskers could just lie and claim they are vaccinated.
Does anybody think otherwise?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #54)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:43 PM

59. I'm fully vaccinated...

I'm not going to worry if some maskless chump next to me in the check-out line is vaccinated.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:31 PM

56. I am going to continue wearing a mask for multiple reasons. One being ALLERGIES.

I don't care what people think. It helps me with my allergies as well. And in the fall/winter, I will be wearing masks bc I am not going to get the "viral crud" that goes around every year. No thanks. These masks work for me as I see fit. Maybe not in the summer, though.

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Response to FlyingPiggy (Reply #56)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:14 PM

63. Yep, especially when I have to mow the lawn under dry weather conditions.

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Response to FlyingPiggy (Reply #56)

Thu May 13, 2021, 10:32 PM

69. you're

right wearing masks keep flu illnesses down, and it worked.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:39 PM

58. BIG MISTAKE...

I don;t even know where to begin !!!

Many here have already posted their concerns.

It's just stupid!!!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:13 PM

62. I'm not taking my chances!

During my life I've had pneumonia, bronchitis, allergies, the flu, survived rocket attacks in Iraq, bicycle collisions, and other near-death experiences. So I'll be damned if I'm gonna take my mask off when there are fuckin' idiots who don't give a damn about the health of other people because they believe some BS they saw posted by some random con-man/nutjob on social media.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:15 PM

64. Only for situations where contact tracing is possible

This is good advice only for situations where contact tracing is possible. As we won't know about the new variants and their possible spread.
I'm staying masked anywhere I am unsure of being able to know where an infection came from.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:23 PM

66. This should infect the unvaccinated faster

so they'll either feel pressed to comply, or .... well, you get the idea.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #66)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:37 PM

67. One of the issues that seems to be the main excuse used by some of the 'hesitant" vaxxers

is the fact that these vaccines are only being given under the provisions of an EUA vs being officially "fully approved". Many places around the country, including here in Philly, have run into some of the most critical "front line" workers - hospital staff and long-term care providers, as well as police/fire fighters, and even some teachers, who have refused to be vaccinated - many claiming it is specifically because of that issue. In fact the numbers I've seen bandied about is that fully 1/2 of workers in those occupations have refused the vaccine, and they were at or near the front of the line to get the shots initially, alongside the over 75s, back this past December/January.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #67)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:46 PM

68. That is absolutely true

Corroborated in my hospital volunteer work. That resistance presented some early unexpected openings to those willing to go for it, and recently I saw workers still not vaccinated.

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