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Wed May 19, 2021, 08:17 PM

Biden's warning to Israel shakes up diplomacy -- and politics

Source: Washington Post

WINDSOR, Conn. — President Biden's unusually blunt demand Wednesday that Israel de-escalate its military attack on Gaza is creating a rare rift between the two countries and dismaying some of Israel's supporters in the United States, while heartening Democrats who have increasingly pushed for a tougher U.S. stance against Israel.

Biden for days had hesitated to publicly confront Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and his demand for “a significant de-escalation today on the path to a cease-fire” shook up the worlds of politics and diplomacy. It was the clearest evidence yet of a rapidly changing political dynamic, at least among Democrats, that is far less accepting of actions Israel says it is taking in self-defense.

The White House has told Netanyahu in recent days that the ground is shifting in the U.S., even among some lawmakers who have long been supportive of Israel, two people familiar with aspects of the message said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. That shift was the backdrop for Wednesday’s call, the fourth between the two leaders since hostilities began.

Netanyahu, however, vowed Wednesday to continue with the 10-day military offensive “until its aim is met,” meaning until more Hamas targets are destroyed. That public defiance underlined his disconnect with Biden, which is all the more notable because Netanyahu, whose own domestic political position is precarious, closely embraced former president Donald Trump.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-demand-israel-gaza/2021/05/19/ee0ef536-b8ae-11eb-a6b1-81296da0339b_story.html

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Reply Biden's warning to Israel shakes up diplomacy -- and politics (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 OP
comradebillyboy May 2021 #1
EX500rider May 2021 #5
questionseverything May 2021 #2
Sherman A1 May 2021 #11
Post removed May 2021 #3
EX500rider May 2021 #6
Budi May 2021 #8
Renew Deal May 2021 #4
Steelrolled May 2021 #7
murielm99 May 2021 #9
McKim May 2021 #13
Maxheader May 2021 #10
Deminpenn May 2021 #12

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed May 19, 2021, 08:20 PM

1. I'd believe Israel was serious if they actually

took out Hamas leadership. But Bibi needs Hamas as a foil for his personal ambitions. This whole little adventure is an attempt to keep Bibi in power.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Wed May 19, 2021, 08:53 PM

5. They tried hard to do just that:

"... on May 12th when the movement of several Israeli combat brigades to the Gaza border was followed by the announcement that Israeli ground forces had moved into Gaza. Israel knew that the Hamas war plan mandated that all senior leaders head for underground bunkers or tunnels when this happened. The ground assault was not happening but Israeli airstrikes soon took place with over 400 smart bombs and guided missiles used in less than an hour. Many of the smart bombs were of the ground penetrating variety. It was no secret that Israel had a lot of these ground penetrating bombs and also designed and manufactured them. It was also no secret that since 2014 Israel had developed new tech for quickly finding underground bunkers. In addition the Israeli informant network inside Gaza had paid a lot of attention to where the new Hamas underground tunnels and shelters were. Hamas finally realized all this when dozens of their underground shelters, now full of key Hamas personnel, were damaged or destroyed by the ground penetrating bombs. These bombs were all delivered, against over a hundred Hamas targets, in less than 40 minutes. That made it difficult for Hamas personnel in the shelters to get word to get out of the shelters because Hamas had been the played and the shelters had become traps which many Hamas personnel did not escape."


https://strategypage.com/qnd/israel/articles/20210518.aspx

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed May 19, 2021, 08:22 PM

2. We need to cut off the money

I hate that we’re paying for this aggression

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #2)

Thu May 20, 2021, 06:16 AM

11. Precisely

I’m sick of paying for Israel and there BS when we cannot have universal healthcare, decent roads and clean water for our own people.

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Wed May 19, 2021, 08:54 PM

6. "Israel needs to be blown into the sea once and for all."

Exactly what Iran & Hamas and Islamic Jihad say, not good company.

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Wed May 19, 2021, 09:08 PM

8. HAMAS jihadi murderers & terrorists & those who fund it & welcome thier presence..

Thank you for that statement. IRAN says howdy also!!


"Israel needs to be blown into the sea once and for all."

That'll solve it!!
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed May 19, 2021, 08:44 PM

4. Destroying an AP building will do that.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed May 19, 2021, 09:01 PM

7. I don't believe for a minute that Biden's statement

has anything behind it. He needs to do it for political reasons, and Israel knows that.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #7)

Thu May 20, 2021, 05:03 AM

9. This!

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #7)

Thu May 20, 2021, 09:04 AM

13. Yes, Just Pro Forma

Yes, just Pro Forma. In the meantime we are selling them more missles as he speaks.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 06:09 AM

10. in anticipation of a usa weapons embargo...

weapons manufactories in russia china and the black markets here.

Are licking theys lips....course getting by the USA military

might be a trick. $$ in the right wingers hands would solve

that.....

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu May 20, 2021, 07:07 AM

12. At some point, America has to put our interests

first. We have to realize that Israel's actions, whatever their motivation, are simply not in America's national interest. Actions like this create enemies for the US, too, given our significant financial and military support for Israel.

America and Israel do have many areas of mutual interest, but not always. When these interests diverge, doing what is in our national interest should prevail.

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