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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Wed May 19, 2021, 08:20 PM May 2021

George W. Bush Warns of 'Aggressive' Iran, Says Arab World Must Decide on Peace With Israel to Solve

Source: Newsweek

Former President George W. Bush warned of an "aggressive" Iran and said the Arab world must decide on peace with Israel to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

During a Wednesday interview with Fox News, Bush said that what "you're seeing playing out is Iranian influence targeted toward Israel," and that he believes "the best approach with regard to Iran is to understand that their influence is dangerous for world peace, that they are very much involved with extremist movements in Lebanon and Syria and Yemen, and they are aiming to spread their influence."

Any U.S. deals made with Iran, according to Bush, should focus on its nuclear capabilities as well as "its influence in the Middle East," and should keep in mind "the dangers of an aggressive Iran to our allies and to stability."

Bush said Iran is trying to break up alliances made in the 2020 Abraham Accords with Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) under then-President Donald Trump's administration, which called it a "historic peace agreement."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/george-w-bush-warns-of-aggressive-iran-says-arab-world-must-decide-on-peace-with-israel-to-solve-conflict/ar-AAKaUtg?li=BBnb7Kz



So which Saudi prince called Chimpy? Thought he was enjoying retirement.
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George W. Bush Warns of 'Aggressive' Iran, Says Arab World Must Decide on Peace With Israel to Solve (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 OP
Fuck off shrub. roamer65 May 2021 #1
... trusty elf May 2021 #17
+1 x ∞ Crowman2009 May 2021 #20
No one should pay any attention to "W", he should be in prison for crimes against humanity. walkingman May 2021 #2
Waterboarding Torture War Based On Lies DanieRains May 2021 #23
W must still be on a Saudi retainer. Irish_Dem May 2021 #3
The man who lied the US into Iraq, in turn creating ISIS Dawson Leery May 2021 #4
Thanks for speaking out W!!! Bleacher Creature May 2021 #5
The war criminal who murdered hundreds of thousands Mr.Bill May 2021 #6
Phooey hooey, mad-cow boy. eom sprinkleeninow May 2021 #7
Piss off dubya weapons of mass destruction asshole Duncanpup May 2021 #8
Most PEACEFUL Arab nations have made peace with Israel oldsoftie May 2021 #9
So Israel Decides To Bulldoze Some Homes To Cause Trouble DanieRains May 2021 #24
No, every time Palestinian elections are set, they start shit. oldsoftie May 2021 #30
I could talk about 2006 Palestinian elections but that could start a firestorm AZProgressive May 2021 #33
Hamas is a terrorist organization wanting to remove Israel oldsoftie May 2021 #42
Name ONE country that just made "peace" with Israel in the past year karynnj May 2021 #37
They're titled "Abraham Accords Peace Agreement" oldsoftie May 2021 #43
No matter what they were called, they did NOT create peace karynnj May 2021 #45
You lost me at George W. Bush n/t spike jones May 2021 #10
Trump was such a fucked up president that now GWB assumes he has some credibility olddad65 May 2021 #11
You noticed that too. Mr. Evil May 2021 #22
Thats the ONLY reason he was ever elected in '16 oldsoftie May 2021 #31
It was out - but ignored karynnj May 2021 #38
Sez the nation builder, we create our own reality, mushroom clouds, aluminum tubes liar-in chief. nt Evolve Dammit May 2021 #12
He is actually right about what he is saying. Not sure how he became informed JI7 May 2021 #13
I hope Michelle Obama gives him an earful the next he asks her for a piece of chewing gum ... marble falls May 2021 #14
Fuck off, war criminal nt Javaman May 2021 #15
Is the mushroom cloud going to finally appear? stollen May 2021 #16
Not again with this Axis of Evil stuff AZProgressive May 2021 #18
Shrub and Drump should be cell mates. They both committed multiple crimes totodeinhere May 2021 #19
war criminal say what? irisblue May 2021 #21
Usually, something stupid. AZLD4Candidate May 2021 #26
George W. Bush Has Been Better Out Of Office DallasNE May 2021 #25
Shut the fuck up asshole (Chimp). Hasn't he done enough damage in the Middle East already? Crunchy Frog May 2021 #27
Israel causes alot of the problems itself with its persecutions and illegal evictions of cstanleytech May 2021 #28
One Dullard trusty elf May 2021 #29
Hey, Boy George, how would we know you're not seeing something that isn't there? bucolic_frolic May 2021 #32
Said the guy who lied America into war on an innocent country. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #34
Now that there has been all the flogging melm00se May 2021 #35
Iran made a very inflammatory Tweet when it came to Trump AZProgressive May 2021 #36
Neither can be trusted. oldsoftie May 2021 #44
Yeah, let's everybody listen to the shithead who disrupted any hope for peace in the Middle East Aristus May 2021 #39
Says the idiot who invaded the wrong country Mysterian May 2021 #40
go back to painting your feet, asshole.... bahboo May 2021 #41

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
4. The man who lied the US into Iraq, in turn creating ISIS
Wed May 19, 2021, 08:25 PM
May 2021

needs to shut the f**k up and take his right wing neo-con animals and go HELL!

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
5. Thanks for speaking out W!!!
Wed May 19, 2021, 08:29 PM
May 2021

I've spent too much time since 2016 saying nice things about him that I'm grateful for a reminder of what made him such a horrible President!

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
9. Most PEACEFUL Arab nations have made peace with Israel
Wed May 19, 2021, 08:57 PM
May 2021

Some just in the past year. Countries who were sworn enemies in the past are now accepting flights & opening embassies
The Iranians are a threat to all of them. More now than ever thanks to Dick Cheney's Iraq fuck up

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
30. No, every time Palestinian elections are set, they start shit.
Thu May 20, 2021, 06:30 AM
May 2021

So that Abbas can then "postpone" the elections and stay in power. He's been in a 4 yr term since 2005.
They do it every time

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
33. I could talk about 2006 Palestinian elections but that could start a firestorm
Thu May 20, 2021, 07:04 AM
May 2021

I will just post a link and I recommend reading the whole thing including the aftermath.

I will post one excerpt

Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America's behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power. (The State Department declined to comment.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
42. Hamas is a terrorist organization wanting to remove Israel
Thu May 20, 2021, 07:00 PM
May 2021

They do not want peace. They want ALL the land

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
37. Name ONE country that just made "peace" with Israel in the past year
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:42 AM
May 2021

NONE of the countries involved in the Abraham Accords were at war with Israel and all had INFORMAL ties and relationships. At most, the accord made connections more public and could have led to more trade. Some of the countries involved had relations with both the US and Iran.

Netanyahu had long tried to use mutual dislike of Iran as a unifying bloc consisting of the Sunni countries and Israel. The United States, over multiple administrations, had held the possibility of friendlier economic ties as a carrot for the middle east that could exist if the Israel/Palestine issue was resolved. Trump, took the cynical Netanyahu approach that they could move directly to these better ties because it was in those countries interests to do so. The US did a lot to "sweeten" the deal - mainly weapons sales.I expect that the Trump/Kushner allies will blame Biden if those accords retreat as some weapons sales are put on hold and the population responses to the video from Gaza.

For years, Israel made the correct point that Israel/Palestine was not the root of all MiddleEast turmoil. Now, it needs to be said that Iran is not the root of all turmoil in the MiddleEast. (Remember that the Taliban, ISIS and AQ are all Sunni.)

Even in 2015, the Obama team spoke of the need to stop Iran's ability to get a bomb diplomatically as a first step. Sanctions that were placed because of support of terrorism were left in place. Bush's comments actually are not inconsistent with where the Obama team was in 2015 or where Biden likely is now. Trump was actually well positioned to push a second deal (leaving the nuclear deal in place) that dealt with terrorism and other issues. Creating a more dangerous Shia/Sunni fight is the exact opposite of what is needed - no matter what Netanyahu wants.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
43. They're titled "Abraham Accords Peace Agreement"
Thu May 20, 2021, 07:07 PM
May 2021

Opening embassies, allowing airline flights, etc, is all part of normalizing relations where there was little before
And they're all leaving the palestinians behind, because they realize that they really dont want peace

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
45. No matter what they were called, they did NOT create peace
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:38 PM
May 2021

None of these countries were at war with Israel.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
31. Thats the ONLY reason he was ever elected in '16
Thu May 20, 2021, 06:31 AM
May 2021

Celebrity.
I just wish all the info about how shitty a businessman he was would've come out back THEN

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
38. It was out - but ignored
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:51 AM
May 2021

There were many many very easy to find detailed articles on his real estate and casino bankruptcies. His only real success was his TV celebrity.

We live in a country where reality TV is seen as "real", not artifice, edited for the desired message and to create interest in the plots the producer wanted. For many people, the DJT of that show labeled a brilliant businessman for no apparent reason was who they thought was running. They ignored news stories that he actually was a pretty terrible businessman, who was born the heir to a large NYC real estate fortune.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
13. He is actually right about what he is saying. Not sure how he became informed
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:16 PM
May 2021

but when he was in office he didn't know there were different sects like sunni and shia.

Also what he did contributed to the problems he is now warning about.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
14. I hope Michelle Obama gives him an earful the next he asks her for a piece of chewing gum ...
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:43 PM
May 2021

... he knows better than to inject his opinion into US statecraft during a crisis.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
25. George W. Bush Has Been Better Out Of Office
Thu May 20, 2021, 12:47 AM
May 2021

Than he ever was in office - up until now. His record in foreign policy was not exemplar, after all.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
27. Shut the fuck up asshole (Chimp). Hasn't he done enough damage in the Middle East already?
Thu May 20, 2021, 02:06 AM
May 2021

Who was it who made Iran a regional power in the first place?

cstanleytech

(26,282 posts)
28. Israel causes alot of the problems itself with its persecutions and illegal evictions of
Thu May 20, 2021, 02:46 AM
May 2021

civilians to create settlements for its own citizens.

melm00se

(4,990 posts)
35. Now that there has been all the flogging
Thu May 20, 2021, 07:25 AM
May 2021

of Bush, I have many questions about this whole affair. Among them are:

Where did Hamas get 3100 rockets?
- The photos of rockets appear to be far more sophisticated than something made in someone's garage.
How did they pay for them?
- If the images are accurate, they also don't look cheap. Even if they are homemade, the money for the resources to make them has to come from somwhere.

The fact that Iran backs Hamas, at least in words, is evidenced by this comment:

"Tehran backs the Palestinians' fight against the Zionist regime (Israel),"
- Source

Iran has been one the most vocal critics of Israel and has made some extremely inflammatory remarks about Israel and its continued existence.



AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
36. Iran made a very inflammatory Tweet when it came to Trump
Thu May 20, 2021, 07:29 AM
May 2021

I think the Tweet was deleted and the account was banned.

I also remember this from Iran.

Iran Says Trump Gone to 'Dustbin of History,' Hopes Biden Has 'Learned'

(Snip)

Trump, Pompeo & Co. are relegated to the dustbin of history in disgrace," Zarif tweeted.

(Snip)

"The DIPLOMATIC VANDALISM of Trump, Pompeo & co stemmed partly from a broken institutional process," Khatibzadeh tweeted. "But that same process—when "functional"—produced disasters like wars in Iraq, Afghanistan & Vietnam."

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-trump-gone-dustbin-history-biden-learned-1563194

I think if people think Iran is an enemy and Saudi Arabia are our friends I think they are missing the entire picture.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
39. Yeah, let's everybody listen to the shithead who disrupted any hope for peace in the Middle East
Thu May 20, 2021, 10:40 AM
May 2021

with his fascistic, perverted grab for cheap oil and a place in the history books.

Mysterian

(4,585 posts)
40. Says the idiot who invaded the wrong country
Thu May 20, 2021, 01:05 PM
May 2021

The corrupt AWOL Bush regime is the second-worst in U.S. history.

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