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swag

(26,486 posts)
Tue May 25, 2021, 05:22 PM May 2021

Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges

Source: Washington Post

by Shayna Jacobs and David A. Fahrenthold

May 25, 2021 at 1:57 p.m. PDT

NEW YORK — Manhattan's district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.

The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters — not just the Trump case ­— during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.

The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime — if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.

Vance’s investigation is expansive, according to people familiar the probe and public disclosures made during related litigation. His investigators are scrutinizing Trump’s business practices before he was president, including whether the value of specific properties in the Trump Organization’s real estate portfolio were manipulated in a way that defrauded banks and insurance companies, and if any tax benefits were obtained illegally through unscrupulous asset valuation.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-investigation-grand-jury/2021/05/25/5f47911c-bcca-11eb-83e3-0ca705a96ba4_story.html#click=https://t.co/ryafjdeLMw

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Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges (Original Post) swag May 2021 OP
Nicolle Wallace is talking about this now mnhtnbb May 2021 #1
Two words about this...... Jack from Charlotte May 2021 #17
Here's Nicolle Wallace interviewing the WaPo reporter who broke the story: Rhiannon12866 May 2021 #33
Farenthold made an interesting point about Deminpenn May 2021 #35
I have Mary Trump's book Rhiannon12866 May 2021 #36
Then there's the cheap paint story from Cohen's book Deminpenn May 2021 #37
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock COL Mustard May 2021 #2
Eventually, maybe - but it has to be faster than that. TheRickles May 2021 #16
Oh man! Popcorn! Lots of Butter on the Popcorn PA_jen May 2021 #3
sorry, there seems o be a run on popcorn.... sold out getagrip_already May 2021 #26
😲 Industrial Size! I had NO idea! 😂😂 electric_blue68 May 2021 #34
About fucking time. Paladin May 2021 #4
Not sure about the 6 month time frame. machoneman May 2021 #5
Good point Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #21
don't think so.... getagrip_already May 2021 #27
Just because the schedule is for 6 months, gab13by13 May 2021 #29
Committing Tax, Bank, and Real Estate fraud all at the same time ProudMNDemocrat May 2021 #6
You mean "lock", right? Autocorrect or Freudian that you LOVE them all locked up? George II May 2021 #9
Love them all locked up! Mr. Evil May 2021 #14
COOL - Goonch May 2021 #7
Love the cartoon bdamomma May 2021 #23
This is big stuff. As it turned out it broke during Nicole Wallace's show and she had.... George II May 2021 #8
During commercials gab13by13 May 2021 #31
ABC has confirmed Washington Post story LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #10
send this bdamomma May 2021 #24
I immediately prepared 2 quarts of popcorn and watched Nicole and am NCjack May 2021 #11
From the Hoarse Whisperer LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #12
Love that Twitter handle " Mueller she wrote" Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #20
Very slow mo, "three days a week for six months." Not holding my breath, but a good sign. Demnation May 2021 #13
Oh my! honest.abe May 2021 #15
The warm fuzzy feeling you feel when the ternm "Grand Jury" is trending LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #18
Thanks! Also for not adding an egotistical remark about Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #19
Ooohhhhhhh, this is going to be sweet... SuperCoder May 2021 #22
Grand juries are done in secret. gab13by13 May 2021 #32
Lock him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 #25
Wow. So a Grand Jury is going to actually indict a ham sandwich? Cool. Midnight Writer May 2021 #28
Alan Weiselberg is the key, gab13by13 May 2021 #30
His ex-daughter-in-law knows the details of how Deminpenn May 2021 #38

Rhiannon12866

(205,036 posts)
33. Here's Nicolle Wallace interviewing the WaPo reporter who broke the story:
Wed May 26, 2021, 12:22 AM
May 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017658498

David Fahrenthold, political reporter for the Washington Post discusses the story he broke about the Manhattan district attorney convening a grand jury in its criminal probe into Donald Trump, and speaks to what kind of data and witnesses are likely to be used. Aired on 05/25/2021.

Deminpenn

(15,273 posts)
35. Farenthold made an interesting point about
Wed May 26, 2021, 03:05 AM
May 2021

the Trump Foundation that was found to have broken the law on charity self-dealing, fined and eventually disestablished. He said the Foundation's taxes were done by the same accountants and contained many, many errors. It might be reasonable to assume Trump's personal and business taxes are similarly error-filled.

Rhiannon12866

(205,036 posts)
36. I have Mary Trump's book
Wed May 26, 2021, 03:15 AM
May 2021

I have it on audio (read by the author) and listened to part of it again in my car on my way home from the dentist today. The part I heard today focused on Trump's first efforts in business on his own, rather than working for his father, and it's totally mind boggling how many millions(!) he "borrowed" from his father and squandered through abysmal business decisions (Atlantic City casinos). All the Trumps were averse to paying taxes, I can't imagine what they'll find examining his business records.

Deminpenn

(15,273 posts)
37. Then there's the cheap paint story from Cohen's book
Wed May 26, 2021, 08:10 AM
May 2021

when Trump upgraded/updated Doral. The paint was the companies lowest quality brand and sold as such. Shortly after being applied, the paint began to fail. Trump tried to sue the paint contractor, but that didn't work since the paint was specified in the contract. Then he went after the paint company who did came and tested the paint and said it was exactly to spec, but they did offer Trump a credit of x number of gallons which he then used to repaint the rooms at Doral. Trump has been a grifter his entire life. There's every reason to believe that ALL his dealings follow the same script - lie, cheat, steal.

COL Mustard

(5,886 posts)
2. Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
Tue May 25, 2021, 05:30 PM
May 2021

Like sands through the hourglass, so go the days of T***p's lies.

You know the truth will out eventually.

TheRickles

(2,047 posts)
16. Eventually, maybe - but it has to be faster than that.
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:41 PM
May 2021

If things haven't imploded on the R's before the midterms, the tide can shift dramatically. A couple of indictments would go a long way towards convincing more people to stick with the D's.

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
5. Not sure about the 6 month time frame.
Tue May 25, 2021, 05:44 PM
May 2021

It would seem that they are dragging it all out into 2022 on purpose. While that may serve our political aims, methinks it is still better to go for a quicker indictment and trial. Why? Trumpy's lawyers will delay any efforts here with multiple challenges anyway, So, let's go ahead now, endure those challenges and get him on the witness stand (or his henchmen at least) and start the trial.

In brief, let the TRIAL slip deeply into 2022!

getagrip_already

(14,674 posts)
27. don't think so....
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:24 PM
May 2021

The wheels of justice are supposed to move slowly, especially in cases like this where it is as much technical minutia data as legal fact.

This isn't a car theft or liquor store theft. It is a complex and well covered series of financial transactions. The grand jury is made up of carpenters, and teachers, and working parents in all walks of life other than what is being discussed.

It takes time.....

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
29. Just because the schedule is for 6 months,
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:15 PM
May 2021

doesn't mean that there won't be indictments before that time frame.

I mean grand juries usually only meet once a week and this one is meeting 3 times a week. This tells me there is a lot going on.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,780 posts)
6. Committing Tax, Bank, and Real Estate fraud all at the same time
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:08 PM
May 2021

Is committing a CRIME. Trump, his kids, snd Allen Weisellberg are in HUGE trouble.

Love them all up.

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. This is big stuff. As it turned out it broke during Nicole Wallace's show and she had....
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:18 PM
May 2021

....the right guests when it happened. I think she wound up spending an hour on this, overflowed onto Melber's show which is usually all legal discussion anyway. It's all they've spoken about so far.

As Melber just said, "It's going to be a bad night in Mar a Lago!"

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
31. During commercials
Tue May 25, 2021, 11:02 PM
May 2021

I flipped to Fox, 3 or 4 different times, must have missed its coverage of the grand jury. lol. The few seconds I was watching made me gag. What a complicit bull shit station.

 

SuperCoder

(300 posts)
22. Ooohhhhhhh, this is going to be sweet...
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:59 PM
May 2021

Buwahahahahahaha. I can't wait to watch this one.

Let the jailings begin!

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
30. Alan Weiselberg is the key,
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:18 PM
May 2021

he needs to flip to make it easier to convict, and indict for that matter.

Deminpenn

(15,273 posts)
38. His ex-daughter-in-law knows the details of how
Wed May 26, 2021, 08:13 AM
May 2021

his son Barry was paid to evade taxes. Once he's indicted, the pressure will wratchet up a few more notches on Alan to turn on Trump to save his son. Another son also works for the Trump Organization and could be a target, too.

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