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Wed May 26, 2021, 01:30 PM

Resistance to vaccine mandates is building. A powerful network is helping

Source: Washington Post

WP EXCLUSIVE

Resistance to vaccine mandates is building. A powerful network is helping.

A New York firm has filed suit or sent letters to employers in several states as part of an effort spearheaded by one of the largest anti-vaccination groups in the country.

By Isaac Stanley-Becker
May 26, 2021 at 1:28 p.m. EDT

The Americans lodging complaints against coronavirus vaccine mandates are a diverse lot — a sheriff’s deputy in North Carolina, nursing home employees in Wisconsin and students at the largest university in New Jersey. ... But their resistance is woven together by a common thread: the involvement of a law firm closely tied to the anti-vaccine movement.

Attorneys from Siri & Glimstad — a New York firm that has done millions of dollars of legal work for one of the nation’s foremost anti-vaccination groups — are co-counsel in a case against the Durham County Sheriff’s Office. They’ve sent warning letters to officials in Rock County, Wis., as well as to the president of Rutgers University and other schools.

The legal salvos show that a groundswell against compulsory immunization is being coordinated, at least in part, from a law office on Park Avenue in midtown Manhattan. And they offer a window into a wide-ranging and well-resourced effort to contest vaccine requirements in workplaces and other settings critical to the country’s reopening — a dispute with sweeping implications for public health, state authority and individual rights. ... “The message is, ‘Maybe you should reconsider because you don’t want to end up in court,’ ” said Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, a professor at the University of California’s Hastings College of the Law. “I think that works.”

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The Informed Consent Action Network, a Texas-based nonprofit group founded by former daytime television producer Del Bigtree that campaigns against vaccine requirements, in part by citing unsubstantiated or debunked claims about their dangers, has advertised Siri & Glimstad’s services and sought plaintiffs for challenges to mandates. (1)

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By Isaac Stanley-Becker
Isaac Stanley-Becker is a national political reporter. Twitter https://twitter.com/isaacstanbecker

(1) https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/antivaxxers-go-viral-in-communities-battling-measles/2019/05/20/a476417c-78d7-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/26/vaccine-mandate-litigation-siri-glimstad-ican/



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mahatmakanejeeves May 2021 OP
Midnight Writer May 2021 #1
Freddie May 2021 #2
Post removed May 2021 #8
BumRushDaShow May 2021 #9
oldsoftie May 2021 #16
BumRushDaShow May 2021 #18
Yavin4 May 2021 #24
oldsoftie May 2021 #25
BumRushDaShow May 2021 #35
PortTack May 2021 #11
BumRushDaShow May 2021 #21
paleotn May 2021 #30
asiliveandbreathe May 2021 #3
elleng May 2021 #19
bucolic_frolic May 2021 #4
IronLionZion May 2021 #5
COL Mustard May 2021 #6
gopiscrap May 2021 #7
Tiger8 May 2021 #27
NewJeffCT May 2021 #13
IronLionZion May 2021 #36
paleotn May 2021 #31
GulfCoast66 May 2021 #34
IronLionZion May 2021 #37
JudyM May 2021 #39
paleotn May 2021 #38
LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2021 #10
NewJeffCT May 2021 #14
Grins May 2021 #23
not fooled May 2021 #15
rdking647 May 2021 #12
oldsoftie May 2021 #17
roamer65 May 2021 #20
oldsoftie May 2021 #26
TygrBright May 2021 #22
NEOBuckeye May 2021 #28
maxsolomon May 2021 #29
paleotn May 2021 #32
Cryptoad May 2021 #33

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 01:44 PM

1. Wouldn't it be nice for Americans to know where the money behind all this is coming from?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 01:53 PM

2. Hospitals require their employees to get flu shots

How is this any different?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:37 PM

9. They are approved via an "Emergency Use Authorization"

This is what it means - https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?

An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.


It's not unlike what is done for "IND"s (Investigational New Drugs).

And the above was expedited based on a federal "Public Health Emergency", which was first declared January 31, 2020 and recently extended for another 90 days - https://www.phe.gov/emergency/news/healthactions/phe/Pages/COVID-15April2021.aspx

Renewal of Determination That A Public Health Emergency Exists

As a result of the continued consequences of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, on this date and after consultation with public health officials as necessary, I, Xavier Becerra, Secretary of Health and Human Services, pursuant to the authority vested in me under section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, do hereby renew, effective April 21, 2021, the January 31, 2020, determination by former Secretary Alex M. Azar II, that he previously renewed on April 21, 2020, July 23, 2020, October 2, 2020, and January 7, 2021, that a public health emergency exists and has existed since January 27, 2020, nationwide.


April 15, 2021
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Date

/s/
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Xavier Becerra

More Emergency and Response Information

Declarations of a Public Health Emergency
Public Health Emergency Determinations to Support an Emergency Use Authorization
Section 1135 Waivers
Emergency Use Authorizations

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The federal health agencies have generally deferred to the states regarding any vaccination mandates, regardless of whether they have "full approval" or not - https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/vaccine-safety-questions-and-answers

What does CDC do when someone wants to exempt out of vaccinations?

Enacting and enforcing immunization laws and regulations are the responsibility of State governments. CDC supports States' decisions to require certain immunizations as recommended on the Childhood Immunization Schedule for children entering school and childcare facilities. Almost all State immunization mandates pertain to entrance into school and childcare facilities. Many States also have college immunization requirements. States' approaches to exemptions for immunization requirements vary. All States allow medical exemptions for immunization. Forty-eight States permit exemptions for religious reasons and 15 States permit parents to claim exemptions on philosophical grounds. Implementation of religious and philosophical exemptions also varies among States. In some States, immunization program staff review written applications for exemption before granting or denying religious or philosophical exemptions. In other States, parents can obtain exemptions by simply signing a form which is accepted without review.

State public health laws and regulations are enacted pursuant to the provisions of individual State constitutions. CDC guidelines are voluntary rather than regulatory. CDC works with States that are ultimately responsible for the development and enforcement of school laws. The issue of philosophical exemptions in State laws was reviewed by the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC), which is made up of experts in immunization policy. The Committee supports the current policy, which gives States flexibility in developing and enforcing immunization laws. This issue, as well as other immunization issues, are periodically assessed by the NVAC.


Statutory authorities - https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/ph-emergencies.pdf (PDF)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:06 PM

16. Still doesnt count as "approved". Not many are requiring it yet

I wish they ALL would; it would prove a lot to the idiots.

But I expect at least Pfizer & Moderna will get approval soon. I dont know why its taking so long; with so many shots given early on they should have all the info they need

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #16)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:25 PM

18. For "public health emergency" purposes it is

but as noted in my post - it is up to the states to institute mandates based on their laws and/or state Constitution. When it comes to quarantines, the feds do have statutory authority.

I expect they may start submitting data for final approvals this fall/wnter. Normally the vaccine approval process (non-emergency) takes several years. The expedited manner of this this was due to some work that had already been in process over the past decade after the SARS CoV-1 pandemic in Asia and MERS. Plus now they will all have a massive amount of data - at least regarding adverse events.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #16)

Wed May 26, 2021, 05:20 PM

24. How about approvals from the European Union, Israel, the UK, Canada, and Japan?

Their health agencies all approved the vaccines, and their entire healthcare systems are light years better than ours.

Is that enough approval for everyone?

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #24)

Wed May 26, 2021, 06:46 PM

25. Legally, no. Realistically, yes.

And since those other countries have already approved the vaccines, why the heck isnt that good enough for OUR country to go ahead and approve them & remove that argument

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #25)

Wed May 26, 2021, 08:56 PM

35. The essential difference between the EUA and the traditional "approval"

is literally authorizing them to "market" their products "direct-to-consumer/healthcare provider". The safety and efficacy data is no different. And in this case, since both of the mRNA firms had started their trials a year ago, they have that trial data, and now will have any additional data that might be admissible from public vaccinations (including any that may have had more controls instituted like for health workers who might have volunteered for additional testing)... plus they now have recent trial data for ages 12 - 15/16.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are going for being able to "market" to providers for ages 12+ in one fell swoop. They are also currently trialing for infants of 6 months through to children age 11 as a next step, but will need more data for any EUA or other approval.

As long as there is a public health emergency in place, they don't need the "extra step". Once that emergency goes away (i.e., if it isn't extended this coming July) then other criteria kick in for a regular-process approval. I expect HHS may consider one more extension to go until October but I suppose that will depend on where things are in July.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:46 PM

11. Full FDA approval of the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J vaccines will be coming shortly

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Response to PortTack (Reply #11)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:38 PM

21. Yup and this part is something to note from your link

Standard vaccine reviews generally take several months to a year or more to determine whether it is safe and effective for use in the general public. But due to the pandemic, which has killed nearly 600,000 Americans, the FDA permitted the use of the shots under an EUA.

In a public health emergency, the manufacturing and approval of vaccines can be streamlined through emergency authorizations. Former Health Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency on Jan. 31, 2020. The health emergency has been renewed several times, most recently in late April. The FDA allowed the use of the shots with just two months of safety data under an EUA. It’s not the same as a Biologic License Application, or a request for full approval, which requires at least six months of data.


I believe they started the actual trials about a year ago around May 2020, with the vaccines receiving EUA approvals late last November (2020). Since then, the trials have continued, plus you then had the general public having started to receive the vaccine last December 2020 (with health workers included early on, where they could contribute some additional medical data from those individuals beyond that available from the general public). Therefore Juneish 2021 would be the 6 months mark for the earliest public use, which can provide some supplemental data (although that data in general isn't as tightly controlled as a trial participant's). So they are in good shape at the moment.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #2)

Wed May 26, 2021, 07:18 PM

30. It ain't.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 02:03 PM

3. Each state has its own mandate for children in school..this is so absurd..


As of July 18, 2018, all 50 states and DC require vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis; polio; measles and rubella (49 states and DC also require mumps vaccination); and the varicella (chickenpox) vaccination. 43 states and DC require hepatitis B vaccination (Alabama, Illinois, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas do not) to enter kindergarten. Some states require Hib, PCV, and Hep A vaccines to enter kindergarten. As of Aug. 19, 2020, Massachusetts is the first and only state to require the flu vaccine. Many states require more vaccines as the children age, for example West Virginia requires the meningitis vaccine at the CDC-recommended age (11-12 years old).


https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

Much more at link..site updated Aug/2020

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Response to asiliveandbreathe (Reply #3)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:26 PM

19. ZACLY

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 02:12 PM

4. I am voluntarily choosing to hope their self-deportation will ultimately be successful

but it may take a few iterations.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 02:42 PM

5. And the pandemic continues among these unvaccinated communities

in places with lots of them nearby, like conservative areas, it will be a brutal summer as they get together indoors, unmasked, and refusing any social distance guidelines. Breathe deep.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #5)

Wed May 26, 2021, 02:49 PM

6. As The Jack Kilpatrick Character Said In "Airplane!"

They knew the dangers. They took their chances. I say, let 'em die.

(Not a direct lift, but one of the great lines from one of my favorite movies!)

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #6)

Wed May 26, 2021, 02:58 PM

7. my senitments exactly

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

Wed May 26, 2021, 06:48 PM

27. Second that. nt

 

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #5)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:55 PM

13. it's not just poor conservative communities

I believe a lot of urban areas with significant non-white populations are also lagging behind in vaccination rates.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #13)

Wed May 26, 2021, 11:38 PM

36. My city is like that

they are closing the walk up mass vaccination sites next month because non-white poorer residents don't want it for some reason. There are plenty of vaccines here, and plenty of community outreach groups offering rides and even housecalls. But everyone who wants it has gotten it by now. And the rest don't want it.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #5)

Wed May 26, 2021, 07:35 PM

31. Brutal Fall and Winter.

Like the rest of us, they're spending more time outside, inside with windows open for greater air exchange, etc., etc. The normal ebb in respiratory disease. But wait until it gets cold and everyone goes back inside. Unless vaccination rates increase dramatically in red regions, it's going to be a red state plague this Winter, with blue states saying.."I told you so. But, would you listen? Oh, hell no." Red Amurka will blame Biden and say it was a Democratic plot all along. Mark my words.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #31)

Wed May 26, 2021, 08:04 PM

34. In the southern states the yearly pattern is reversed.

Here in Florida most people are about to head back indoors for the AC. So we won’t have to wait to winter to test you theory. Personally I think we are done with the big spikes of deaths and will have a continuing trickle of a few hundred of non vaccinated people dying a day.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #34)

Wed May 26, 2021, 11:40 PM

37. There could be electoral implications

if it mostly impacts conservatives in swing states like Florida, Georgia, Texas, Arizona

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #37)

Thu May 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

39. If only.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #34)

Thu May 27, 2021, 05:28 PM

38. That makes sense.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:45 PM

10. I wonder if Putin plays any part in this.

He is a master of disinformation, which he used in two elections. He has been trying to destroy the American experiment, hence putting a person with autocratic tendencies in power, giving him frequent instructions and feeding into his paranoid fantasies about conspiracies against him. Putin has the money to pay the lawyers and "experts" to file SLAPP suits against any small agency or city, threatening to bankrupt them.

It's interesting that the so-called "pro-life" people are fighting against something that keeps millions of people alive. If they had been organized back when students started getting mandatory vaccines to attend school, we could have lost half our population to various childhood diseases.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #10)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:56 PM

14. Yes - a good part of the anti-vax movement

has been amplified by Russian propaganda

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #14)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:56 PM

23. Yes! The Russians!

Reading a story last night that placed this anti-vax lie directly on Russia.

Maybe a topic for the Biden-Putin meeting next month...?

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #10)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:59 PM

15. Stands to reason

he's involved at some level.

But, the Republican Party is no doubt behind this, because they want Biden's presidency to not be successful, and one way to achieve that is to keep the pandemic going and the economy hampered as a consequence. Thom Hartmann has laid all of this out on his show, and it makes sense to me. The thousands of Americans who die needlessly are just collateral damage as the pukes grasp for power.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 03:50 PM

12. health insurers shouldnt have to cover costs for any patient who refused a vax

hospitalized with covid after refusing a vax? have fun paying a 6 digit bill out of pocket.....

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #12)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:08 PM

17. Now THAT would be interesting.

But it still would have to be after FDA approval. Legally it'll be hard to force something that still doesnt have approval
I wish they move it along

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #12)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:35 PM

20. THIS.

Why I should I have to pay increased rates for their care? Same goes with smoking.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #20)

Wed May 26, 2021, 06:48 PM

26. Amen to THAT too! nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 04:47 PM

22. How did Putin buy all these people... it's mind-bending. n/t

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 06:57 PM

28. Fuck these people

Seriously. These are the people who will get us ALL killed by a plague mutation because they are so goddamn stupid.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 07:17 PM

29. They're exhausting.

Conservatives are exhausting. I don't know where they find the time.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 07:44 PM

32. What do these people have in common...

a sheriff’s deputy in North Carolina, nursing home employees in Wisconsin and students at the largest university in New Jersey


They don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to epidemiology. Yet!...Yet!...they consider themselves "experts" because they did a little "research" on the internets. And all those bioscience PhD's wasted all that time and money when all they needed was a few minutes on "thu google."

The war on expertise is really beginning to toast my arse. There once was a time when expertise was prized and respected. This ain't that time.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed May 26, 2021, 07:59 PM

33. no Vax,,, No Problem,,,

Fire 'em!

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