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Thu May 27, 2021, 10:07 AM

Covid: China hits back as US revisits Wuhan lab leak theory

Source: BBC

China has denounced US efforts to further investigate whether Covid-19 came from a Chinese lab.

US President Joe Biden has called on intelligence officials to "redouble" their work to find out how the virus was first transmitted to humans.

China's foreign ministry accused the US of "political manipulation and blame shifting".

It has rejected any link between Covid-19 and a virus research lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57267729

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SouthBayDem May 2021 OP
JustABozoOnThisBus May 2021 #1
TheFarseer May 2021 #2
The Mouth May 2021 #7
catsudon May 2021 #8
Bayard May 2021 #3
IronLionZion May 2021 #4
moriah May 2021 #5
abqtommy May 2021 #6

Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu May 27, 2021, 10:41 AM

1. Is a "denunciation" the same as a "confession"?

Methinks Xi doth protest too much.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu May 27, 2021, 10:49 AM

2. Even if Trump was still president

I think I would trust our government more than China.

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #2)

Thu May 27, 2021, 02:55 PM

7. I agree

I might dislike Trump intensely, but I trust the Chinese government even less.

Cui bono

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #7)

Thu May 27, 2021, 04:03 PM

8. also, remember before all this

trump was so ready to bend over backwards to make a trade deal with China. (and praising China's handling of the Xingjian Muslims)


also, Minutes after Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th President of the United States, Beijing issued sanctions against former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and 27 figures tied to the now-disbanded Trump administration, slamming them for their “selfish political interests, prejudice, and hatred against China.”

uh how about Trump himself? China didn't sanction the actual person responsible? I wonder if it had something to do his big bank account still active in China.

Sure, the people in China really dislike Trump, but I find it interesting that the Chinese Government avoid directly criticizing Trump himself, while slamming Pompeo every chance they get.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu May 27, 2021, 11:34 AM

3. A bright spot in trump's day

I told them--China Virus!

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu May 27, 2021, 11:43 AM

4. It's good to find out for sure

to prevent such a thing from happening again. Or if it was bats at the wet market. Either way, it's good to find out the truth. It benefits everyone.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu May 27, 2021, 11:47 AM

5. The political environment may have changed, but the science?

Villagers had gotten sick when the 2015 specimen that seems to be the closest known relative to SARS-CoV-2 was collected -- and while they were similar, previous "viral tree attempts" had placed both the 2015 bat specimen and SARS-CoV-2 to each have a common ancestor, not as descendants of each other.

Nextstrain, after a year now of tracking known COVID-19 infections and how the virus mutates, have backed up the earliest potential emergence date for SARS-CoV-2 (essentially, when it started infecting humans and having to deal with a human immune system) as late September.

Of course, without knowing exactly how they're studying these viruses we *can't* know what happened. I just know that humans move, and humans often move animals with them, and people usually move animals from rural areas towards cities and not the other direction.

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Of course, I am also always inclined to remember our own country's near-miss -- a strain of Ebola near DC, which they determined to be capable of spreading via droplets/aerosols (monkeys in other rooms of the quarantine center were getting sick too). Workers tested positive, showing that the virus was capable of infecting us long enough to generate antibodies, even if it didn't cause illness or linger.

Right now it doesn't seem to be nearly as lethal to monkeys as Ebola or SHF, which in a way, made it even more dangerous, and a good thing that the perception of danger/need for investigation was higher because of a co-existing SHF outbreak in the same facility. Without that SHF infection, we might never have discovered it.

Since it has been since discovered at many primate quarantine and/or breeding centers, and once in pigs that lived near the presumed reservoir of the virus, and in a human who was taking care of said pigs (no human-to-human transmission known yet). We now know to test to look for this fucker that could hide and eventually get a sustained transmission capacity between humans. And Ebola that can spread through an AC system is kinda our country's worst nightmare, even if it's a reduced-fatality version of Ebola.

We got lucky. If we hadn't gotten lucky, we'd have certainly been investigated by the international community because of the proximity of Reston to the US military virology lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu May 27, 2021, 01:26 PM

6. From what I've read and heard over the last year, Covid-19 may have been caused by both

a lab leak AND the Wuhan (and other Chinese) "wet markets". Finding the exact cause may be important but at least we have vaccines now even though some people refuse them. Let's investigate
that too.

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