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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,111 posts)
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:25 PM Jul 2021

Rep. McCaul: Biden is 'going to own' Afghanistan fallout

Source: Politico

The top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee hammered President Joe Biden on Sunday for his withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan.

Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas) said that the Taliban is poised to threaten the stability of the Afghan government and Biden will be responsible for the looming violence and repression left in the Taliban’s wake.

“We’re going dark in Afghanistan, and there’s going to be consequences long term for this,” McCaul said on “Fox News Sunday. “President Biden [is] going to own these images.”

Biden announced in April that by the fall the U.S. would withdraw nearly all of its remaining forces from Afghanistan after nearly 20 years there. Recently, the military officially left Bagram Airfield and turned over control of the strategically important post to the Afghan National Security and Defense Forces

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rep-mccaul-biden-is-going-to-own-afghanistan-fallout/ar-AALL27Y?li=BBnb7Kz



You mean the withdrawal that was started by your Lord and Savior Donald Trump?
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Rep. McCaul: Biden is 'going to own' Afghanistan fallout (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 OP
So Joe Biden got us into Afghanistan? Botany Jul 2021 #1
Like the teabaggers, the Trump cult has collective amnesia with regards to 8 years of W. Crowman2009 Jul 2021 #10
A long time Army General said something like... Botany Jul 2021 #19
there it is - celebrate the accomplishment and wrap it up and go home nt msongs Jul 2021 #31
In Dec. 2001 or Jan. 2002 we had US Army special forces less than 1 km from bin Laden Botany Jul 2021 #34
Such a miserable old goat that Rummy... FarPoint Jul 2021 #38
Yes and They Wanted the Minerals McKim Jul 2021 #44
and everything else republican. we let them decide what's important or not with 1500 radio stations certainot Jul 2021 #30
Talk Radio lost most of its Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #39
i agree and it wouldn't take much to put it out of its misery certainot Jul 2021 #40
Technically as senator he voted for the Afghanistan AUMF SouthBayDem Jul 2021 #52
Majority of the republican congresscritters and governors and politicians . .. . Lovie777 Jul 2021 #2
Yeah well that's how was always going to be. underpants Jul 2021 #3
You're right Ritabert Jul 2021 #6
Agree. Tigray (Ethiopia) , Austro-Hungarian Empire . . . on and on Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #20
Sounds like their problem. snort Jul 2021 #4
Trump's betrayal of our Kurdish allies didn't seem to get a lot of media traction. Midnight Writer Jul 2021 #5
We been there propping up the Afghanistan ppl for 20 yrs. we should never ever have gone in there in PortTack Jul 2021 #7
You can't win with these f'in GOPers! Crowman2009 Jul 2021 #8
Republicans create a humanitarian disaster, then try to blame it on the guy cleaning up. Demnation Jul 2021 #9
McCaul can kma. ananda Jul 2021 #11
Afghanistan is ALL on the shoulders of a War Criminal named Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #12
Should have been out long, long ago. Tomconroy Jul 2021 #13
What do you mean, he got it right? Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #15
He started the big drawn down. And was on Tomconroy Jul 2021 #16
He had four years to get out. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #17
On that basis you would also Tomconroy Jul 2021 #21
Except Obama didn't make a campaign promise Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #25
He should have. Tomconroy Jul 2021 #28
I think most Americans Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #14
same fucking thing in V.N. ! TFG & moscow mitch ran away from it ! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #43
No, 20 years is long enough. totodeinhere Jul 2021 #18
Absolutely true! Tomconroy Jul 2021 #22
At first I thought this about McFaul WhiteTara Jul 2021 #23
'THEY' have NO answers, only complaints.............. MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #24
It's worse than having no answers, Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #26
Blow it out your ass, McCaul. Paladin Jul 2021 #27
When Trump ran in 2016 he said he would get us out of Afghanistan. patphil Jul 2021 #29
Sadly, I have to disagree. This was not ever a Republican war. Dan Jul 2021 #36
No it was a repub war, as they misled & deceived congress & the country onetexan Jul 2021 #46
A Republican Administration started it and designed the Military Strategy. maxsolomon Jul 2021 #53
Hey Mike, can I call you Mike McCaul.... turbinetree Jul 2021 #32
WRONG Skittles Jul 2021 #33
"GOD EMPEROR TRUMP ENDING WARS!!" "...but Biden owns the fallout." Grokenstein Jul 2021 #35
TFG is just a way of NOT saying his name and also that he's no longer POTUS Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2021 #50
George W. Bush Is Going To Own This DallasNE Jul 2021 #37
Yup. This is BS what this racist Mccaul is saying, not surprising of course as those damn GOP will onetexan Jul 2021 #41
No, all the CICs own it. former9thward Jul 2021 #49
If so It is a SMALL piece to own compared to the GOP warmongers that started the unnecessary .... usaf-vet Jul 2021 #42
100% at ya!! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #45
As expected. ChazInAz Jul 2021 #47
More dumb fuckery from McCaul Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 #48
I'll be exstatic when someone decides to own the "fallout" from finally getting us out cadoman Jul 2021 #51
Trump MADE THE DEAL TO LEAVE, dipshit. maxsolomon Jul 2021 #54
They will be able to use it as a talking point TheFarseer Jul 2021 #55

Botany

(70,291 posts)
19. A long time Army General said something like...
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:32 PM
Jul 2021

.... we can always win the battles but we can't win the occupation. We could have expelled the Taliban, killed bin Laden, gone home, and have been seen as the good guys by a high % of the Afghani people but Rummy let bin Laden walk @ Toro Bora and then we got bogged down into an endless war.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
34. In Dec. 2001 or Jan. 2002 we had US Army special forces less than 1 km from bin Laden
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jul 2021

But Rummy called 'em off because he wanted a war in Iraq.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
44. Yes and They Wanted the Minerals
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 12:38 AM
Jul 2021

Yes and they wanted the minerals. There are billions worth of minerals in Afghanistan and that was the real power behind this war, greed!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
30. and everything else republican. we let them decide what's important or not with 1500 radio stations
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:44 PM
Jul 2021

who gets remembered and isn't. what/who's acceptable or isn't. and that's a major motivation for republican obstruction - they always get to have it both ways.

it really doesn't matter what biden (or any other democrat) does or says or doesn't as long as dems keep ignoring that radio propaganda operation that putin uses too. the biggest political mistake in history

SouthBayDem

(31,962 posts)
52. Technically as senator he voted for the Afghanistan AUMF
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 01:58 AM
Jul 2021

in a unanimous 98-0 vote. The two non-voting senators: Larry Craig (R-ID) and Jesse Helms (R-NC).

Lovie777

(11,992 posts)
2. Majority of the republican congresscritters and governors and politicians . .. .
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jul 2021

are "afraid" of other network news such as CNN and MSNBC.

Most republicans speak with fork tongue. Shithole starting this but alas he was considered a genius (fake).

underpants

(182,279 posts)
3. Yeah well that's how was always going to be.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:33 PM
Jul 2021

Sorry, you can’t change nature. No one has ever “conquered” Afghanistan and no one ever will.

Ritabert

(644 posts)
6. You're right
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:41 PM
Jul 2021

Never open a Pandora's box unless you can see a favorable outcome. As Rumsfeld said "Democracy is messy" while trying to explain the mess in Iraq.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
20. Agree. Tigray (Ethiopia) , Austro-Hungarian Empire . . . on and on
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:33 PM
Jul 2021

Similar dynamic playing out.

Factional 'nations' attempted to be held together by unrepresentative central governments.

The 'Taliban' will splinter once the unpopular central government is overthrown . . basically back to the Civil War of the 90's.

PortTack

(32,606 posts)
7. We been there propping up the Afghanistan ppl for 20 yrs. we should never ever have gone in there in
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jul 2021

Last edited Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

The first place. But at this juncture 20 yrs should have been enough for them to know how to defend their country. We could stay another 10 and nothing would change

ananda

(28,783 posts)
11. McCaul can kma.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:12 PM
Jul 2021

I just can't stand him, and he doesn't represent
my area since it's so fucking gerrymandered.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
16. He started the big drawn down. And was on
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:26 PM
Jul 2021

A schedule to end it. I guess it's hard to be wrong about everything.

MyOwnPeace

(16,888 posts)
24. 'THEY' have NO answers, only complaints..............
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:40 PM
Jul 2021

Yes, the RepubliQans.
NOTHING about the economy (how to help it)
NOTHING about global warming (how to fix it)
NOTHING about equal rights (just ways to prolong the problem)
NOTHING about voting rights for all (just ways to 'rig' elections for themselves)

and NOTHING about how to end a war that they started - NOTHING!!!!!

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
26. It's worse than having no answers,
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:48 PM
Jul 2021

when they are in office, they don't think any of those things are even problems.

Paladin

(28,204 posts)
27. Blow it out your ass, McCaul.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:19 PM
Jul 2021

Go back to counting your wife's family money. (Is the old saying true? "Nobody works harder for money than those who marry into it"? Somehow I seriously doubt it.)

patphil

(6,035 posts)
29. When Trump ran in 2016 he said he would get us out of Afghanistan.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:36 PM
Jul 2021

So, Biden is just completing Trump's work there.
And, this was always a Republican war. "W" started this war in 2001, and let his guy Rumsfeld allow bin Laden to live when they had him cornered.
It wasn't until May of 2011 that a Democratic President announced the operation that killed bin Laden.
Then Trump let it drag on throughout his term.
And now another Democratic President is putting an end to an unwinnable war that has stretched on for over 20 years.
There was never any doubt that the Afghan people could not defeat the Taliban; even with our presence it hasn't happened. The end result of our exit was always known. We could stay there 50 years, and the Taliban would control the country within 6 months of our exit.
The only thing we can do is give asylum to the many thousands of Afghanes who worked with us...providing the Republicans will vote to do so. I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.
So my guess is the Republicans will decry Bidens bringing home the troops, and the slaughter of those who supported us there, while conveniently ignoring the fact that they refused to give them shelter.

Dan

(3,524 posts)
36. Sadly, I have to disagree. This was not ever a Republican war.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 06:02 PM
Jul 2021

This was and is an American war. Regardless of what truth or lies got us into Afghanistan - we are all in that mess together.

People’s children from both sides of the aisle have died because of this misadventure.

I know the moral obligation to give asylum to the many thousands of Afghans - but I question not their their intelligence, but their ability to adapt culturally. I suspect that there are some cultural values that they might have that will be unacceptable here in the cities and the heartland.

Just thinking…

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
46. No it was a repub war, as they misled & deceived congress & the country
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:23 AM
Jul 2021

The entire thing was based on lies so they can profit from their interests in defense companies.

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
53. A Republican Administration started it and designed the Military Strategy.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:09 PM
Jul 2021

A Republican Administration decided on the troop levels, how to engage Pakistan, how to attack Tora Bora, etc.

A Republican Administration made the choice to VOLUNTARILY add an invasion and occupation of Iraq to our military's plate.

Grokenstein

(5,707 posts)
35. "GOD EMPEROR TRUMP ENDING WARS!!" "...but Biden owns the fallout."
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 05:22 PM
Jul 2021

This is why I don't go for the "TFG" nonsense. Pretending he and his supporters have just "gone away" isn't going to work out for anyone but them.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
50. TFG is just a way of NOT saying his name and also that he's no longer POTUS
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 04:37 PM
Jul 2021

It doesn't imply he and Cult45 have gone away. Just sayin

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
37. George W. Bush Is Going To Own This
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 06:14 PM
Jul 2021

It started to unravel when Bush let bin Laden escape at Tora bora in order to ramp up his dreamed invasion of Iraq, where no WMD were to be found. You just can't engage in forever wars and this is what Afghanistan turned out to be. If you can't complete the mission in 20 years you can't complete the mission in 50 years. We learned nothing from Vietnam and repeated the same mistakes in Afghanistan and Iraq.

https://www.facebook.com/TwistedTailsPugs/photos/a.376641535837283/1865053486996073/?__cft__[0]=AZWw5WwZa7WTADy3UzHlrTYjHXKciqYRAWf9y1zM7WlUmSfQMrikRX9ybuqCokSUHH8ZQyWboxH5_uM4_RW7XyZfpFQYMhhBLma1HT9VK1tEdO8_aSszHEh_y_XlFfPerz0Yir_o8gnq_qEAj89TofoPCBLN0q3nDfCXiPSfuyoEKjSgUbxXgQv5zKH2BGPYWLOyBluQNQkQbIS05lxAs7g7&__tn__=EH-y-R

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
41. Yup. This is BS what this racist Mccaul is saying, not surprising of course as those damn GOP will
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 08:01 PM
Jul 2021

do whatever they can to paint it Biden's problem. It's pure BS. This is Bush, Rumsfeld, & Cheney and the GOP having deliverately deceived the Congress, the Senate & the country on WMDs. Republicans lie, spread more lies, & continue to lie. Dubya w forever be the Idiot who got us into this mess, and the Con w forever be the fake potus who stole the 2016 election and invoked an insurrection to keep himself in office. No matter how the GOP spin this, these 2 things will forever be their ugly legacy.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
49. No, all the CICs own it.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 03:35 PM
Jul 2021

Please remember President Obama called the Afghan war "the good war".

It was a crucial turning point in the evolution of Barack Obama. The antiwar candidate of 2008 who had pledged to turn around Afghanistan — the “good war” to George W. Bush’s “bad war” in Iraq — had conceded that the longest military operation in American history would not end on his watch. The optimistic president who once thought Afghanistan was winnable had, through bitter experience, become the commander in chief of a forever war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/01/world/asia/obama-afghanistan-war.html

Every POTUS from the time we invaded had the power to withdraw our troops. They all own it.

usaf-vet

(6,094 posts)
42. If so It is a SMALL piece to own compared to the GOP warmongers that started the unnecessary ....
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 10:11 PM
Jul 2021

..... wars in the middle east. Started them on lies and continued them to benefit the rich oil barons, weapon builders, mercenary groups, and others who always benefit without shedding a drop of their own blood.

Biden works to SAVE lives where TFG let 500,000 Americans die of Covid without even a bit of compassion.

Go POTUS Joe Biden!

cadoman

(792 posts)
51. I'll be exstatic when someone decides to own the "fallout" from finally getting us out
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 12:54 AM
Jul 2021

They'll have the wrath of the press and MIC but the hearts and votes of the nation.

The tricky part (and why no one has done it yet) is surviving an assassination attempt from the three letter agencies.

TheFarseer

(9,308 posts)
55. They will be able to use it as a talking point
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jul 2021

But honestly, there were no good choices in this situation. I think most people will recognize that.

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