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PSPS

(13,584 posts)
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:19 PM Jul 2021

Haiti Police Chief: 4 Suspected Killers Of President Have Been Slain, 2 Arrested

Source: NPR/AP

Haiti Police Chief: 4 Suspected Killers Of President Have Been Slain, 2 Arrested

July 7, 2021 9:23 PM ET

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Haiti's police chief says four suspected killers of President Jovenel Moïse have been fatally shot by police and two others arrested in an apparent hostage-taking situation.

Léon Charles said late Wednesday that three police officers held hostage were freed.

The killing of Moïse early Wednesday, and the wounding of his wife, was sure to bring more chaos to the unstable Caribbean country already beset by gang violence, soaring inflation and protests by opposition supporters who accused Moïse of increasing authoritarianism.

Interim Prime Minister Claude Joseph said the police and military were in control of security. The poorest country in the Americas, Haiti has a history of dictatorship and political upheaval. The streets of Port-au-Prince were empty and quiet.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/07/1014022342/4-suspected-killers-of-president-jovenel-moise-have-been-slain-2-arrested



Short article. The rest is a recap of earlier AP story.
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Haiti Police Chief: 4 Suspected Killers Of President Have Been Slain, 2 Arrested (Original Post) PSPS Jul 2021 OP
Because of an earlier post Deuxcents Jul 2021 #1
Corrupt leadership has stolen all that $$$. nt Progressive Jones Jul 2021 #2
The engrained and lingering effects BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #4
Curiouser and curiouser. maxsolomon Jul 2021 #3
It's Amazing Police Work! COL Mustard Jul 2021 #7
I hate to be suspicious and conspiratorial, but... maxsolomon Jul 2021 #8
The early history of Haiti is really jacked up melm00se Jul 2021 #5
So we put the marines in to make sure the country could.. Maxheader Jul 2021 #6
We put Marines there in response to Moise's Assassination? maxsolomon Jul 2021 #9
Past history... Maxheader Jul 2021 #10

Deuxcents

(16,156 posts)
1. Because of an earlier post
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:58 PM
Jul 2021

I googled the history of Haiti.. I never understood the history or current events. I’m no historian...violence has always been there. Throwing $$ as has been the same as just”figure it out” and it’s forgotten. Their situations never change. I have no earthly idea why but after all these generations,can’tsomething be done about the plight of these people in our hemisphere?

BumRushDaShow

(128,717 posts)
4. The engrained and lingering effects
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:28 AM
Jul 2021

of European colonization. And in their case, they battled for and won their independence (Algeria did similar) but with a huge price tag attached, where they were saddled with overwhelming debt as a result to compensate the slave-owners for loss of their "property".

Haiti’s Debt to France
Haiti paid $21 billion to compensate France for the loss of a colony and slaves

Tarik Ata
Sep 15, 2020 · 3 min read

Haiti is a nation which has been persistently impoverished ever since its independence in 1804, following the most successful slave rebellion in history the Haitian Revolution (1791–1804) and has remained impoverished primarily due to the nations external debt. Haiti was formerly under French colonial rule (1625–1804) and was known as Saint-Domingue, and was one of France’s most profitable and valued colonies. Which France ensured it would be compensated for the loss of. Shortly after Haitian independence in 1804, France demanded that the newly formed country pay the French government, French slaveholders and for French recognition of Haiti as a sovereign state, a total of 150 million francs; with France frequently threatening Haiti with its warships if Haiti did not cooperate.

Not only did France demand compensation but also that Haiti discounts its exported goods to France by 50%, leaving Haiti to operate almost as a colony despite it being a sovereign state (Jacobin, 2017). France in 1834 reduced Haiti’s “Independence Debt” to 90 million francs (the modern equivalent of $21 billion) and was to be paid back over 30 years, as a form of compensation to plantation owners who lost “property” and the “theft” of slaves (Sommers, Race, Reality, and Realpolitik: U.S.-Haiti Relations in the Lead Up to the 1915 Occupation, 2015, p. 124). Haiti continued to pay this “Independence Debt” to France up until 1947 by which point Haiti was forced into a position of submission and forced to adopt new loans in order to pay France as well as new creditors like the U.S. All of which only led to the furthering of the nations suffering.

Haiti was invaded by the U.S. in 1915 who sought to maintain hegemony in the Western hemisphere — in what is known as the Monroe Doctrine — with the U.S. fearing the anti-American revolts against the Haitian leader Vilbrun Guillaume Sam and how this would affect debt repayments. Other fears were the effect these revolts would have on U.S. business interests and when the anti-American leader, Rosalvo Bobo, rose to prominence and became president the U.S. hastily intervened to protect their economic dominance and interests (Brian & Segal, Haiti: Political Failures, Cultural Successes, 1984, p. 28).

The U.S. squashed the growing resentment towards America and gained control of the financial institutions (banks, the national treasury, etc.) to guarantee debt repayments to the U.S. and France. Washington forced Haiti into economic stagnation by designating a total of 40% of Haiti’s national income to debt repayments to France and the U.S (Ibid, p.29). For the following 19 years, Washington led advisors ruled Haiti with the Marine Corps providing the muscle. The crises left by the “Independence Debt” enforced by France, has left Haiti in a state of despair and saw them ravaged by imperialist powers despite the sovereignty of the nation.

https://medium.com/illumination/haitis-debt-to-france-338bdab8dfa8


Since then, some banks have waived the debt but not all.

So those in power would grab the most of what was left of the resources for themselves (and families and friends) in an attempt to appear to be "legit" and elegant heads of state to the world. And that ended up starting the cycle of coup, installation of the opposition leaders, retribution by that new government against the previous one, coup, installation of a new opposition, retribution by that government, over and over.

The one who sortof briefly deviated from that was Aristide, but then some of his own officials and supporters were still engaging in the same habits and tactics against the opposition. And since he had been in exile twice, it seems that may be why "someone" decided to remove that option from this guy.

The issue there now, coupled with that debt and exploitation/destruction (by natural causes like that earthquake) of natural resources, is that you have multi-generational bitterness, with threads of a revenge mentality due to the factionalism.

Only the U.S. had the forethought of trying to create a non-parliamentary government system that attempted to try something different. In a way, the U.S. system basically spread the corruption across many levels and entities vs concentrating it at the head of state (and that head's loyal adherents), and it kept the military under civilian control (at least for now).

maxsolomon

(33,267 posts)
3. Curiouser and curiouser.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:54 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Thu Jul 8, 2021, 03:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Moise replaced Joseph on 7/5; Monday.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article252574293.html

Moise is assassinated TWO DAYS LATER.

Joseph now controls the Government, and the police have killed the assailants.

Curious.

That poor, misbegotten land, freed from France in 1801, 25 years after America broke away from England. What a counterpoint to the US.

CRT is real.

melm00se

(4,988 posts)
5. The early history of Haiti is really jacked up
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:42 AM
Jul 2021

(This is very abridged)

- Taking advantage of the French Revolution, Haitian slaves rise up and revolt.

- In an attempt to quell the revolt and to push back against British and Spanish, the French revolutionary government grants Haitian slaves their freedom.

- Toussaint Louverture abandons the Spanish and fights for France.

- Haiti draws up its constitution (1801) establishing a Republican style government.

- This works until Toussaint Louverture becomes governor-general for life.

- Intrigue builds within the Haitian government and with
Jean-Jacques Dessalines' complicitly, Louverture is betrayed, arrested, returned to France, jailed and dies.

- Jean-Jacques Dessalines comes to power.

- Jean-Jacques Dessalines orders the execution (massacre) of between 3000 and 5000 French and Creole in Haiti.

- Jean-Jacques Dessalines becomes emperor.

- Jean-Jacques Dessalines is assassinated in a conspiracy led by upset members of his administration (Alexandre Pétion and Henri Christophe).

- Alexandre Pétion and Henri Christophe then split Haiti into 2 separate countries with completely opposite ideologies.

- Henri Christophe declares himself king of the State of Haiti.

- Christophe commits suicide to avoid a coup. His son (Henri II) ascends to power but is assassinated less than 2 weeks later.

- France refuses to recognize Haiti until they pay a huge indemnity to France (150 million francs later reduced to about half). To pay this Haiti takes out loans from...wait for it...France.

- There were a series of revolts thru the 19th century and with them a series of presidents and proclaimed emperors/kings.

Maxheader

(4,371 posts)
6. So we put the marines in to make sure the country could..
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:57 AM
Jul 2021

repay its debts? Debts the citizens had no hand in creating?

I keep getting a deja vu on this..a sign in my bosses cubicle...

"The beatings will continue until moral improves"....

maxsolomon

(33,267 posts)
9. We put Marines there in response to Moise's Assassination?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 03:08 PM
Jul 2021

Or you referring to current events? past history?

Maxheader

(4,371 posts)
10. Past history...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:28 PM
Jul 2021

Or so wiki showed...


The United States occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915, when 330 United States Marines landed at Port-au-Prince, Haiti, on the authority of President of the United States Woodrow Wilson in order to establish control of Haiti's political and financial interests. The invasion and subsequent occupation was promoted by growing American business interests in Haiti. The July intervention took place following years of socioeconomic instability within Haiti that culminated with the murder of President of Haiti Vilbrun Guillaume Sam by insurgents angered by his ordered executions of elite opposition. The occupation ended on August 1, 1934, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt reaffirmed an August 1933 disengagement agreement. The last contingent of US Marines departed on August 15, 1934, after a formal transfer of authority to the American-created Gendarmerie of Haiti.
During the occupation, Haiti had three new presidents, though the United States ruled as a military regime led by Marines and the US created Haitian gendarmerie through martial law. Two major rebellions occurred during this period resulting in several thousand Haitians killed and numerous human rights violations – including torture and summary executions – by United States Marines and the gendarmerie. Corvée labor was utilized for massive infrastructure projects that resulted in hundreds to thousands of deaths. Under the occupation, the majority of Haitians continued to live impoverished while the United States re-established power into the hands of only a select minority of Haitians, the wealthy French-cultured mulatto Haitians.


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