Mourdock: Rape Pregnancies ‘Something That God Intended to Happen’

[trailmonkee]

Source: tpm

At the final debate in the Indiana Senate race, held Tuesday night, Republican nominee Richard Mourdock explained his opposition to abortion in the cases of rape or incest. In the course of the explanation Mourdock suggested that rape should not be an exception to a ban on abortion, since rape pregnancies are themselves the will of God.

"You know, this is that issue for that every candidates for federal, or even state office, faces. And I, too, certainly stand for life," said Mourdock, after both Democrat Joe Donnelly and Libertarian Andrew Horning had identified as pro-life. "I know there are some who disagree, and I respect their point of view. But I believe that life begins at conception. The only exception I have, to have an abortion, is in that case of the life of the mother."

Mourdock then seemed to choke back tears, and continued: "I've just struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from god. And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

Video will be posted shortly.

Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mourdock-pregnancies-from-rape-something-that-god-intended

[HockeyMom]

1. Will he go to the hospital having a heart attack?

Maybe it's "God's Will" that he dies?

[roguevalley]

15. maybe getting raped himself is God's will. God is love. Nothing evil is his will, Mourdock.

[truthisfreedom]

2. I don't want anything to do with your god, Mr Moudock. He's one twisted fucked-up deity.

Religion has no place in politics or medicine or the law.

[defacto7]

13. Absolutely, this is correct.

[Angry Dragon]

19. +17,295

Not hard to reject that god
Plenty more out there

[lexx21]

23. Actually a belief in God is not a bad thing, and certainly was never intended to be...

But to quote Kevin Smith "it took all of the wisdom of man to take one simple message and totally fuck it up", which this guy obviously has done.

[Jokerman]

62. This guy, and millions of others...

When a belief in god leads to this kind of stupidity, then it IS a bad thing.

[lexx21]

85. I wouldn't say that IT is a bad thing, I would say that the persons and the people that he

has been hanging around that reinforced this kind of belief is a bad thing and are bad people.

I liken them to snake handlers and the ignoramus in Florida who wanted to burn the Qur'an. It's a form of ignorance that is self perpetuating and again, not of the original message. It took their perverted view to come to the conclusions that you are seeing today.

Do a lot of organized religions have issues? Absolutely. Does that mean that the message itself is bad? No.

What I have noticed about most denominations is that people will gravitate to what they feel most comfortable with. What will keep them in their comfort zone. Some people like to feel very guilty about things, thus they choose one denomination. Other people like to have a drink or two and will choose another denomination.

The individual who was saying that rape pregnancy is Gods plan is part of a mind set that enjoys control. Be it control over his/her family, members of their congregation, or parts of society as a whole. At some point in their lives they took a right when they should have taken a left and compartmentalized their minds to believe this way. I seriously doubt that they themselves would enjoy the edicts that they pass down to be enacted upon them.

[Delphinus]

70. Let me live

in that world - please. I'm so sick of that kind of shit.

[JBoy]

3. Using that logic, rapists shouldn't be prosecuted.

And murders, well, that's just god's will.

What the holy fuck?

[L0oniX]

4. Hey Mourdock ...does that include getting butt raped? n/t

[DollarBillHines]

5. Kinda like murder, eh, fuckface?

Or a really thorough ass-kicking.

[BlueJazz]

6. Would someone just shoot me in the face ? I must be going nuts cause lately, ...

...I keep hearing stupid men saying stupid things and ALL of it can't be real so it's me and i jus....

[onecent]

67. Yep it sort of feels like what I think "going down the rabbit hole" would feel like.n/t

[SingleSeatBiggerMeat]

7. The Sickness Of These Assholes

..is simply breathtaking.

I don't think "God" is believing this either.

[truedelphi]

8. Growing up Catholic that's what we kids were told.

Then came the Era of Revelation, and it was revealed that the priests had sex with young Catholic boys and girls. And sometimes the teenaged girls got pregnant.

And surprise surprise. When a priest got a teenaged girl pregnant, he often arranged for the abortion. He didn't want to lose his job or his reputation.

I am convinced that if men could get pregnant, abortion would soon be a patriotic and spiritual rite of passage!

[shoreline]

9. So remember ladies...

...when you are being raped, the perpetrator isn't some evil, violent misogynist; he is an instrument of the Lord who is trying to provide you with the blessing of motherhood. Praise be.

[DhhD]

10. Christians are supposed to believe that God gives Mankind Choice. Then Man pays the

consequences. GOP Mankind are full of lies and misconception. They lie about reading the Bible too, it seems to me.

[demwing]

11. So if the rape is Gods plan

is rape still a sin?

Candidate Mourdock--are rapists sinners?

[fingrinn]

12. FCUK you

I have a teenage daughter severely mentally disabled with the cognition of a 3-5 year old who is about to get her tubes tied.
So if she gets raped it's a "gift"
I will pass on that, fcukwit.
Its attitudes like yours that made me make that decision. you are one sick puppy.
Where did America go so wrong where people like this can run for office?

[perdita9]

14. Stuff like this is why I became an atheist

I can't think of anything I'd like to do less than worship Murdock's twisted god.

[olddad56]

26. this isn't about God, it is about this man's fucked up misunderstanding of his own spirituality.

[McCamy Taylor]

16. Kiddie porn! God meant it to happen!

[McCamy Taylor]

17. Serial killers! God made them that way!

[McCamy Taylor]

18. Tsunami! God's way of saying "Hi!"

[Megahurtz]

78. Lol n/t

[southerncrone]

20. What kind of God is THAT??!!!

[sakabatou]

21. Clue-by-four time!

[Major Nikon]

22. Not really that much worse than fucksticks who think the state can pick and choose...

who qualifies for abortions and who doesn't. This particular fuckstick just wants to take the crazy one step farther.

[hoosierlib]

24. A Hoosier perspective

It looks like this story is spreading like wild fire...The Huffington Post, Washington Post and Politico have picked the story up...I just hope it makes the MSM (CNN and MSNBC) and eventually it filters to our local media outlets here in Indiana (ideally the Indianapolis Star). I know many Republican moderates who will NOT Mourdock and that was before this comment. This should really help Donnelly out over the next two weeks if the story gets legs...I'll be making some phone bank this weekend for sure! Keep Indiana Blue!

[hoosierlib]

25. Update

Our local media has just posted the story on several websites (both television and print news)...

[Rose Siding]

27. Good. Thanks. He's running against an anti-choice Dem

That's what tacking center gets us; a "right" wing that is fringe-y nuts.

[hoosierlib]

35. While Donnelly is not ideal...

He will tow the party line and not obstruct votes, unlike Mr. Mourdock. Remember this is Indiana...the electorate is very old and very white...

[Jokerman]

65. I live in Indy and the first I saw of this was on BBC News America.

I posted it on the facebook page for our local dem club.

[Myrina]

66. It was breaking on local news at 11pm Tues

... And the same newscast (WTHR) that was covering it also ran the "I'm Mitt Romney & I support Richard Mourdock" ad.

LMFAO!!!

[clydefrand]

28. If God intended rapes to happen, then

God is just as bad as the stupid Repub.

If people believe this crap, they are indeed crazy as hell.

[bucolic_frolic]

29. Using God to Justify Reality - Any Reality

Seems nuts to me

[JeffHead]

30. If this is the best candidate the R's can come up with in my home state....

I'm pretty embarrassed to admit I was born there, or ever lived there. (I don't anymore) Wow, is all I can say. The freaks have taken over the joint. At least they have the top ranked college basketball team in the nation. Go Hoosiers!

[caraher]

41. Well, they could have had Lugar

But the teahadists tarred Lugar (of all people) as a RINO, "Obama's favorite Republican senator," etc.

One great irony is that Mourdock has come out in favor of repealing the amendment granting voters the power to elect senators directly. The irony is that there's no way in hell the state Republican party would ever have made Mourdock their man in the Senate - they'd have just sent Lugar back.

[bluesbassman]

31. There is now officially NOTHING those wastes of air can say to shock me.

Their stupidity is monumental.

[lunasun]

32. sorry .......God's will I raped you

God intended it to happen doncha know

[fingrinn]

34. So when

a 7 year old is getting gang banged and she cries out for God, shes really asking to have a baby like mamma?

[meow2u3]

33. Mourdock thinks rape should be elevated to a sacrament and rapists should be hailed as heroes

This Mourdock is a pervert, plain and simple. He thinks the rape VICTIMS should be locked up instead of the rapists.

This GOP wants to declare open season on women

[Tx4obama]

36. Mitt Romney Cuts Ad For Richard Mourdock, Calls Him '51st Vote' To Repeal Obamacare (VIDEO)

Mitt Romney Cuts Ad For Richard Mourdock, Calls Him '51st Vote' To Repeal Obamacare (VIDEO)

INDIANAPOLIS — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is plugging Richard Mourdock for Indiana's open seat in the fight for control of the Senate.

In a new ad airing this week, Romney accuses Democratic candidate Joe Donnelly of voting too often with Democratic leaders in Washington. He also calls Mourdock the "51st vote" to repeal the federal health care law.

The spot comes as Mourdock struggles to win the support of moderate Republicans and independent voters in Indiana. Mourdock has underperformed Romney in Indiana by roughly 12 points in most polls taken since he defeated Sen. Richard Lugar in May.

-snip-

Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/mitt-romney-richard-mourdock-ad_n_2005188.html

[randome]

37. Does this yogurt-for-brains have a shot at winning the seat?

[caraher]

42. The polls have been neck and neck

One would hope this would swing the balance decisively back to our side...

[Pab Sungenis]

38. Please welcome the new Junior Senator from Indiana

Democrat Joe Donnelly.

[PatrynXX]

39. ahh a devil worshiper

love these. no sonny.. sorry Pregnancy is something that happens from this guy that has more names than shit and usually he's described as living under your ass or in your head. I'm guessing in this case he's in Mourdocks head. This is similar to the HIV AIDS crap , that it was gods punishment on anyone who is gay. Hey children get them too. Nice needles on the beach.

[riderinthestorm]

40. So by that logic, Gawd also allowed coat hangers to be invented and other abortifacients...

just sayin'

[daleo]

43. By similar reasoning God means abortions to happen

After all, they are permitted to happen, and God could stop them if God so desired.

[4saken]

44. An example of a despicable result of a teleological worldview.

Teleology assumes that there is a static state of existence which all variables in existence are moving towards. But all evidence we have shows that there is only one actual existence. The concept "future" is an abstraction from memories of the existence, using our developed models of cause and effect to conceptualize a state after further change. And "past" refers to memories of the existence in previous states.

Brains and calculating structures are the only things ever doing any "predicting", abstracting from observations/information from the existence.

Contrived trust in an omniscient deity leaves room for justifying anything they want. With a simple thought stopping meme like "God works in mysterious ways."

[alp227]

45. He just asked to lose the election. Way to go.

Did he not learn anything from the Todd Akin fiasco? I guess he confirms the idea that the Republican Party has gone OFF THE RAILS, so much that incumbent moderate Richard Lugar lost the primary to him. I wonder if Lugar is now scrambling to be a write-in candidate.

[caraher]

47. Lugar is out of the picture

Lugar probably could have won as a third-party candidate, but I believe there's a rule in Indiana specifically prohibiting a losing primary candidate from being on the ballot in the general election. Even before this gaffe, a lot of Lugar Republicans were planning to sit this out or vote for Donnelly. Lugar himself has chosen not to campaign for Mourdock (I believe he also refused to congratulate him on his primary victory) but has also been very careful not to advocate against him. About a week ago the Indy newspaper tried to get Lugar to say anything about Mourdock, but he refused to bite. The best they could get was relating a story of a lifelong Republican telling Lugar he planned to vote for a Democrat for the first time ever, and Lugar said simply, "I understand."

[AngryOldDem]

58. Lugar is done.

And, really, can you blame him?

The way the teabaggers treated him is absolutely shameful. And Mourdock, recently, had the major balls to use Lugar's likeness in a campaign flier!

Lugar doesn't need this shit.

[ropi]

46. kicking

[caraher]

48. Here's some video

http://www.wishtv.com//dpp/news/politics/mourdock-god-at-work-when-rape-leads-to-pregnancy

[-LOKI -BAD FOR YA]

49. love how gawd speaks to mourdock

he uses god to justify his misdeeds, will he support the mother and child of the rapist. in this horrible situation will the rapist get child visitation or will he demand the woman is his if he pay 20 shekel and a donkey.this is wrong plain and simple. i like to joke but this is seriously wrong,this type of thinking is mainstream gop doctrine.i noticed he said "I've just struggled with it myself for a long time . this is similiar when someone is going to lie to you or tell their version of a story . its like Jimmy Swaggart preaching against prostitutiion

[4lbs]

51. Wow. Just... wow. These idiots just have to try to one-up each other with the stupid, don't they?

First, Akin with the "legitimate rape".

Then, Joe Walsh with the "abortion no longer necessary to protect the life of the mother because of medical advances."

Now, Mourdock, with the "if a woman was raped, then it was God's plan."


Way to win the female vote.

[blkmusclmachine]

52. Sieg Heil, Amen!

[blkmusclmachine]

53. Wasn't it Mr. Ryan that made his kids sleep with their dead sibling?

I remember reading about that a while ago. Rumor?

[blkmusclmachine]

54. Arkansas GOP: Death Penalty for Unruly Children

See http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/08/974321/republican-candidate-in-arkansas-says-parents-should-seek-death-penalty-for-rebellious-children/?mobile=nc

[Kablooie]

55. Santorum my dear blkmusclmachine, Santorum.

http://sussexcountyangel.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/rick-santorum-and-the-dead-baby-story-is-it-sad-sick-or-a-twist-of-both/

[truthisfreedom]

56. Syphilis is alive. Respect life. Live with it. The lack of logic in these neanderthals will never

cease to amaze me.

[Waiting For Everyman]

57. Legislating morality is not a legitimate use of government anyway.

These philosophical and theological "life" controversies are beside the point. The point is, no establishment of religion.

[AngryOldDem]

59. More to the point....

Abortion is legal.

[Norbert]

60. Lead story on the morning news on Cincinnatis WCPO Ch 9

I hope this story is going viral.

[sinkingfeeling]

61. How can anybody with a brain worship a god who uses a violent attack with a

male penis to give a 'gift'?

[Marrah_G]

63. Really? you believe in a God so fucking sadistic that he has women raped?

I really, really despise these people. I do not want to share breathing space with them.

[Myrina]

64. My gripes

1. Mourdock is being allowed to inject his God into government.
2. What ever happened to "freedom of choice"- that which this country was supposedly founded for?
3. What ever happened to the GOP dog whistles of "getting government out of health care" and "protecting personal freedoms"?
4. Why the hell is Donnelly, the Dem, also proclaiming he's pro-life?

[reflection]

68. What is with these stupid-ass men

obsessing about rape, vaginas, and fetuses? I bet Freud could have a field day if he were able to get some of these weirdos on the couch.

[Tenleytown]

69. good rapid response

[Delphinus]

72. Let this be shown - TV, Facebook, ads

running everywhere on the Internet.

[Solly Mack]

71. and if someone breaks into your house and shoots your kids, God wanted that to happen too

and if you're mugged and get knifed in the process, causing you to bleed out - that was also God's will.

and if you're driving down the road and another driver has road rage and crashes into your car, causing you to never walk again - yep, God intended that to happen too.

Oh, the blessings!

[Aerows]

73. I'm just waiting

for one of these assholes to come out and say that an empty womb is a sin, and women ought to thank men for filling them.

[Zambero]

74. Apology Tour in order!

Sounds like Romney needs to shift gears and conduct an apology tour in order to save his party from itself! Missouri, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Florida and others would be on the itinerary. It would be refreshing indeed to witness "Moderate Mitt" disavowing the likes of Akin, Mourdock, Bachmann, Walsh, West and King. However I suspect wingnuttery will proceed unbated through the campaign, as Romney does not want to offend his shaky right wing base by taking these lunatics to task. The fallout from this for the GOP is that Democrats are more able to position themselves as being a more mainstream alternative to voters. And, as in 2010, any GOP hopes of regainig the Senate will be pulverized as a result of their own undoing.

[NorthCarolina]

75. Of course being born gay is obviously not per "gods" plan...just rape

[Myrina]

76. Mourdock presser 11:30est, wthr.com

This oughta be interesting ...

[They_Live]

77. Does his logic extend to

assault and murder? All part of Dog's mysterious plan. Could save billions in court costs, and law enforcement costs.

edit to add in case it wasn't obvious.

[noiretextatique]

79. so...rapists are agents of god

this is one sick m.f.

[somethingshiny]

80. Politico's home page

has a pic of Mourdock with the weird, no-lips, corners of the mouth turned down expression that was discussed on a thread here yesterday. And his eyes show absolute misery. One very messed up dude.

[Coyotl]

81. Hello Indiana. Welcome to the Blue Bandwagon.

Thank you Richard Mourdock. No one else could have delivered Indiana to Obama in one sentence

P.S. Thanks also for ensuring the Senate remains Democratic.

[montanto]

82. then rape shouldnt be a crime.

[damnedifIknow]

83. This twisted freak

has to be a member of teapartyjesus.com

[riverbendviewgal]

84. if mourdock.was raped

And got HIV from his rapist would he consider it a gift from God?

[FiveGoodMen]

86. Beware of those who think they know god's intentions!

I watched a documentary on the nuking of Japan.

It started by pointing out the fire-bombing of civilian areas that we were already doing on a massive scale.

One interviewee (a pilot) said that dropping fire on civilians bothered his conscience.

So he went to his priest and asked whether doing something like that was really okay.

The priest told him, "God let you do it so he must have approved."

We'd all do better to figure out what's fair and decent than to try to figure out what "god wants".

[wordpix]

87. why is this asshat crying? Another alcoholic like Boehner? Or was he the cause of some abortions?

just wondering

[allan01]

88. re:Mourdock: Rape Pregnancies ‘Something That God Intended to Happen’

my god dosent do that , nor does he cause man made disasters nor natural disaters . my god is a gentle kind and understanding god and dear sir, he is too busy answering prayors for that nonsense ,you so and so. so there too !!.

[Cherchez la Femme]

89. And God saith: LET THERE BE RAPE,

And there was rape.

And all the criminals rejoiced and made a joyful noise, saying 'Yea, the Lord God hath bestowed upon US his blessing to sexually attack women... just because."

And the women wore sackcloth and ashes and were still accused of 'dressing to want it'.
"This is bullshit", crieth they; "Is He not our God too? Are we also not His children that he'th professeth to Love?"

"TOUGH TITTIES, BIATCHES" chuckled the Lord; "YOU SIGNED ON TO THIS PATRIARCHAL RELIGION AND YOU NEVER NOTICED *I AM* A 'HE';
AND WE
OLD-TESTAMENTER, MANLY-MEN GUYS *REALLY* STICK TOGETHER?
BESIDES, I'M RUNNING LOW ON BASTARDS TO SMITE FOR THE SINS OF THEIR FATHERS! TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, EH?" pointing at His noggin.

"NOW GET THEE IN THE KITCHEN AND DELIVERETH UNTO ME A SANDWICH ...CHOP CHOP"


Thus endeth our reading of the Testament of Republicans, Book of Mourdock-Romney -Moroni, Verses 69-deep 86.

ah-MEN!


:
Edit: Hoo-boy, I better add some : sarcasm:

tags just in case!

[bucolic_frolic]

90. Stone Cold CRAZY as BEDBUGS

Republicans invented this issue and are really struggling with it.

Last month they told us women couldn't get pregnant from rape.

They had some kind of "natural defenses", remember?

Now they're telling us the resulting pregnancies are God's will.

In Pennsylvania so much so that the state will only grant additional
welfare support for the child if it resulted from rape, and you can
prove it.

What a lot of hooey!

HOW and WHY do they make this stuff up?

Do they really sit around all day and think of these scenarios?

Who in their right mind sits around and thinks about rape all day?

And how God views it, and what the state should do about it?

INSANE. These people are stone cold crazy!!!!

[bhikkhu]

91. The issue - he would use the law to force his beliefs on others

others, in this case, who have been victimized by what he calls "the will of god". Wrong in so many ways!

How a guy like this, who should have flunked high school civics, gets elected to public office is a mystery to me...

[PMcDee]

92. Following that reasoning then,

wouldn't the death of the mother during childbirth also be God's will and therefore something we should not interfere with? Just asking.