Mitt Romney: Court Battle Over His Involvement in Bitter Divorce
Source: TMZ
Mitt Romney was heavily involved in the extremely messy divorce of one of his key supporters ... and the Boston Globe is going to court first thing Wednesday morning in an attempt to unseal the court file as well as lift a gag order ... TMZ has learned.
The divorce was between Staples co-founder Tom Stemberg and his first wife Maureen. We're told the divorce battle lasted for years and was extremely ugly.
Sources tell us Romney gave both a deposition in the divorce and testified in the trial. According to our sources, the Boston Globe got a tip that there was "juicy information about Romney" in the sealed documents.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/10/23/mitt-romney-divorce-thomas-stemberg-maureen-staples-gloria-allred-boston-globe/
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)This is John Edwards type stuff
cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)so since there are already plenty of reasons not to vote for Mitt I dont think those of us here on the DU should push this because imo it could come back to bite us on the ass like how those reports over Bush and his military service bit Dan Rather on his ass.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Sex may be the reason for the divorce, but bitter divorces battles are always over MONEY. In this case, how much was Mitt's friend worth, how much did he earned during the marriage (and thus marital property), how much did he have BEFORE the marriage (and thus NOT Marital Property).
This would go into how much money and HOW Mitt made his money NOT his sex life.
EC
(12,287 posts)he wanted that company and the divorce would be a problem I'd think. Since his interests come first I'll bet he was making back deals with their attorneys. Or something really sleazy.
powergirl
(2,393 posts)kinda tanked?
randome
(34,845 posts)Fred Bastiat
(5 posts)and what are the odds of Trump releasing divorce info on the Obama's
http://www.examiner.com/article/sources-claim-trump-s-obama-announcement-will-reveal-divorce-papers
Politics are strange bedfellows for sure.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Of course this would be controversial to the serial wedders like Newt, Trump et al.
Trump is a silly man.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)CBS reported on that story in 09. Old news
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,346 posts)It's about these funny little guys.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,346 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)[url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url]
They don't make trolls the way they used to. They had semi-intelligence, once. Seems to be a shortage of any intelligence, now. [url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url]
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)and he's trying to get there first with some 2 yr old stale-ass tripe.
Is that really the best you can do? Tragic.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)nolabear
(41,932 posts)Getting in someone's personal life just for "juicy details" isn't a good thing.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I want the Bible-thumping fundies and Family Values crusaders to get behind it.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)The question is begging.. WHY did those people get to have a sealed divorce with a gag order on it??? Guess when you're filthy rich, you can shut people up like that.
So THIS is why Trump is supposedly going with the divorce story tomorrow.. to try and counterbalance this story.
Interesting.. so WHAT was Romney's role in that divorce?? I doubt he had an affair with the wife, as the ex husband is still supporting Mitt?? Maybe he had a relationship with the husband. Anything is possible.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)to be released from a gag order. I don't think it's the wife.
Cha
(296,848 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)They are not known for going for cheap shots. There is more than smoke here if the Globe is involved.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)He is, reportedly, a close friend of Willard. So, if Willard was not having an affair with the wife (I really don't even want that possibility in my brain!), what could he have said that was sealed? And if he DID have an affair (NOOOOOOOO! ACK!!! [url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url] ), how is he besties with the ex-husband? What kind of deal went down to have THAT outcome?
Cha
(296,848 posts)the Globe actually thinks this is all worth it..and, not some Al Capone Vault event?
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And hope it's worth it. I'm not expecting anything useful, just something mildly interesting. But, hey! I'm willing to be very, very wrong, if it means we get something sensational.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Okay. Maybe. Or maybe he helped cheat the ex-wife out of the true value of her Staples shares since she sold them before they went public. I wouldn't put it past him, especially if there was something in it for him. Money motivates him.
Why this would be that interesting before the election, I really don't know. I'm interested enough to follow it, though.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)the husband defraud the wife out of assets from their marriage or out of getting the appropriate value for the assets. Perhaps Romney thought he was just "harvesting" another company when he swindled the wife.
cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)better and it turned around and bit him on the ass.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)thought you had about the link between dueling divorce papers.
Guitarzz
(105 posts)Rincewind
(1,201 posts)had all those kids.
TlalocW
(15,374 posts)While staying at a hotel while in town for the trial, the CEO of Staples mentioned he saw Mitt drink a Dr Pepper taken from the minibar because he was really thirsty, and there was nothing decaffeinated in it it that wasn't alcohol.
TlalocW
marshall
(6,665 posts)Both parties agree in order to protect the kids. Of course now the children may be grown, or siding with daddy, or the ex wife may be so mad that she doesn't care anymore about airing the dirty laundry.
It's hard for me to see how this can affect Romney. Allred is working for the ex wife, whose primary motivation is likely to humiliate her husband and possibly the rest of the family. But how does that translate to Romney?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)No minor children, no request of either party to seal the records. The records were sealed because sealing them is the practice of the court.
I lost records to storm damage and wanted to replace my copy of the documents which included information about continuing business/property interests that were effected by the divorce and I found out that the records were sealed. Even as a party of the divorce I had to get a judgment to look at them again.
marshall
(6,665 posts)Though in fact all of the testimony may have been sealed, there were numerous individual filings and testimonies over several years in this divorce.
From what I'm seeing, I think it will all turn out to be a wash. If there is anything there, it's too complicated for the average person to see.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Remember we are talking about big money here. The fight was over MONEY and what was earned during the marriage. Sex is at best a minor issue in a divorce (If the wife had sex, that is marital misconduct and grounds to be denied Spousal Support and later Alimony but has NO effect on division of Marital Assets).
Thus the reason for a gag order is to keep hidden from the general public how much money both sides had. In this case how much did the Husband have invested with Mitt?
Remember both sides have to agree to the GAG order, but in most cases the paying side insist on it as part of the Marital Settlement Agreement so that that person's assets are not open to review by the General Public (as in the case of most court records). Most payees agree to th GAG order, just to end the litigation and get their settlement that much faster. Thus I can see with Wife Agreeing to the Order when it was entered so she could get her settlement, but now be willing to have it open because she willy does NOT care if it is public knowledge or not. Her ex-husband may want to keep his assets secret thus will fight to keep the GAG order in place, but the wife HAD agreed to it earlier when the case was sealed AND had received something in return for that agreement, THus the Ex-husband has a good case law on his side, he paid for the right to seal the Case.
It will be interesting how the court will decide AND what Mitt did say when he was questioned as to the assets of the Husband.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)the affair Mitt had was with the husband, not the wife. That is why they are still buddies. LOL
onenote
(42,585 posts)Trump is about to make an ass of himself over a divorce that never happened, and this story is just going to feed a meme that both sides are guilty of getting in the gutter.
it will actually just be seen as both parties going dirty.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)as the circus clown Trump taking pot shots at an Obama divorce that wasn't?
Trump is doing this for Trump more than he is for rMoney. You know his motives.
Can you say the same of the Boston Globe?
Was it wrong for the Edwards scandal to break due to the rag Enquirer publishing it?
All things are not equal, but the Repugs want you to believe that.
onenote
(42,585 posts)Whether or not that is true, its the way the story will be spun.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)accept their characterization. Look, the Republicans are also characterizing rape as an instrument of God's will. Do you really, really think that their characterizations make truth? That any crap they say must be accepted as fact by not only voters, but also by the press? Jounalism is not allowed, because Republicans make wild characterizations?
Fuck. Right wing people characterize gay people as child murderers. We do not sit down and take their libelous characterizations. No one should. Fuck them. Of course Republicans will react stongly and loudly to anything said against them. Of course they will TRY to spin. That does not mean they will be be able to spin it as they wish.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)The Obama's didn't divorce and their marriage is a personal matter, whereas Romney's involvement in the Staple owners' divorce case potentially includes financial statements/testimony from him which, if fraudulent, constitutes perjury and THAT is a criminal matter. Criminal matters are in the public interest. Personal matters are where the gutter comes in. We'll all find out who's guilty of what soon enough.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)People get involved in their friends' personal lives all the time.
Sometimes for good, sometimes bad. Shit happens. Sometimes it gets out of hand.
This is personal stuff and doesn't involve Willard directly. Ignore it.
Unless......
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I wonder if it's a Mormon thing.
JohnnyRingo
(18,618 posts)I wonder if the Staples CEO had to pay Mitt a handling fee for fondling his wife. I'm sure Mitt thought of it.
AspenRose
(14,916 posts)I don't think this revelation is going to change anyone's minds one way or the other (I don't think Trump's will, either).
Lines are pretty much drawn at this point, and people have already started voting.
It's just going to annoy people and turn them off.
marlakay
(11,425 posts)look about 1/2 way down for story. Seems the wife was given 500,000 shares of stock when they divorced, sold soon thereafter at almost nothing, then staples went public and she hired lawyer to recoup some of her loss. She lost the case. Romney must have helped the husband win.
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/relationships/articles/2005/11/13/ladies_man/?page=full
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)how Robme helped a guy pal keep money from a woman. But, why not just speak out about it? She can do that without the papers, can't she?
Guitarzz
(105 posts)The Wife Got Lots Less $$$ In The Divorce Settlement.
dooner
(1,217 posts)It's probably about helping his friend protect his money.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And if that is true then it is a bombshell and not just for the lying.
It will show again how he works against the 'little' people.
Bunch of white guys helping each other out, screwing the women and the kids.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Must be more to it than that.
Guitarzz
(105 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)election shattering.
And that could happen if an investigation showed that he helped cheat this woman.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That would be offset by 1% of men switching votes the other way. Not a game-changer. And among the repuke base, they don't give a shit about Newt's and Guiliani's affairs and divorces. And they already know Rmoney is a liar. This simply isn't a election altering story.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Cassotto
(2 posts)He lied to the court and a major shareholder, the wife.
[link:http://tantmieux.squarespace.com/cyrano-tant-mieux-articles-old/2008/2/5/a-fish-out-of-water-mitt-romney-the-wanna-be-president.html|
truthisfreedom
(23,139 posts)There will be consequences, Donald. Your hairness.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)so?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...why would they care about this one?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)repentant. HAHAHAH
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)be swayed by this enough to vote against rMoney before they go back into their coma.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Wednesdays
(17,312 posts)See post # 52
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)boingboinh
(290 posts)They seem interested in helping Romney and so i see no way this story goes beyond TMZ.
I'll bet my children on that obvious prediction
LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)What type of person would tolerate that?
LisaL
(44,972 posts)Bigleaf
(2,050 posts)Texin
(2,590 posts)And why would the Boston Globe want to wade into the weeds about a divorce matter? It's beyond infidelity and divorce. There's something deeper going on here.
I think it relates to the valuation of Staples stock. If Romney testified about the stock's valuation in relation to a financial settlement between the Stemberg's, and essentially downplayed its value to the presiding judge (thereby reducing Marureen Stemberg's settlement) might that have constituted perjury under oath and fraud?
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)then Donald Trump starts hinting that he has dirt on the Obamas, and now this...a pre-emptive strike?
rocktivity
olddad56
(5,732 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)and they are requesting reopening it to prove that fraud, deception, deceit and falsification of records, etc was committed using evidence of newly found accounts or other hidden assets (secret overseas accounts) recently discovered that proves the agreement was entered into based on fraud
perhaps they landed on some proof of this, tax returns re-filed / reclaimed income or whatever, that can make this come back into the court for a re-examination based on fraud
may also have come up after that IRS amnesty issue allowed folks to update their assets without penalty
just thinking aloud
Cassotto
(2 posts)According to this article, Romney testified in 1988 that Staples stock was overvalued, saying I didnt place a great deal of credibility in the forecast of the companys future. At the same time, he was working with Tom Stemberg and Goldman Sachs to take the company public, and the deal was completed in the Spring of 1989.
From the article.......
Staples went public through Goldman Sachs but three years after Romneys initial capital investment. Mitt Romney says hes prouder of this [Staples] investment than any other. (Mister PowerPoint Goes to Washington, Mathew Rees, December 1, 2006)
The issue here, if it is not already clear, is why a primary investor in a company that Romney was about to take public and of which he later says he is prouder than any other, he downplayed in a civil divorce case
As a witness for Tom Stemberg, Romney perhaps wanted to downplay the worth of Staples because if he did this then Maureen Sullivan-Stemberg stood to gain a whole lot less from Staples equity because Romney had just undervalued her ex-husbands primary asset in a fifty/fifty state. If Staples is not worth very much, if the judge can be convinced of that, then how much can he award in terms of shares?
More, if monies and property are communal in a marriage, why wasnt Staples split fifty-fifty and why was Romney testifying at all, other than the fact that Tom Stemberg, clearly one of Mitt Romneys best friends and who recently said of Romney, I have never met a better venture capitalist [than Mitt Romney]
I suspect he will be an equally good president. (Mr. PowerPoint Goes to Washington, Wide Awakes, syndicated).
[link:http://tantmieux.squarespace.com/cyrano-tant-mieux-articles-old/2008/2/5/a-fish-out-of-water-mitt-romney-the-wanna-be-president.html|
onenote
(42,585 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)I can see it now, one day Romney saying the Stock is worth X to various investors in papers filed with the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the next day saying the Stock is only worth Y in this divorce action. Which is the lie UNDER OATH?
Great ad Potential, how can you know Romney is lying under oath? Answer: His lips are moving while his hands is on a Bible.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)to have the Romster thumped by an opened court BINDER.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)tomorrow, it promises to be a very interesting day. Sigh, I'm already turning into a major twitterholic. Makes FB look like high school stuff, imo. G'nite to all my fellow DUers! Sweet dreams (as long as you can get the Donald out of your mind).
Texin
(2,590 posts)said that part of the contention in the divorce (and part of of the reason why they want the records unsealed) centered around the "custody of a child." Note, not children but a child. Interesting.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Now, given the high finance we are dealing with, it is possible the Child, even as a minor, is a major stock holder of the company (maybe even staples itself, but probably a holding company) ANd thus whoever has primary legal custody of that child ends up controlling the child's stock (There are some income tax reasons to give such stock to the children, it spreads out the money among people who have lower tax rates, such moves were more common pre-Reagan tax cuts but have survived to this day).
As to the Child's custody otherwise, the age of the child is a factor but it is also possible that one parent get primary physical custody, but the other parent gets control of the child's assets. Thus I can NOT see how custody would be to big a concern in the divorce, it would be a quick one to two day hearing, with the burden being on the the side without the child. If both sides are fit parents (and I see nothing that indicates otherwise) Custody will remain as it was before the hearing started.
On the other hand a fight over the assets of the child would be grounds for a long drawn out battle bringing into question both parents ability to protect the Child's assets including testimony from Mitt if any of the Child's assets had been invested with Mitt (The Courts prefer investments in the safest investments possible, US Treasury bonds, low interest rates, but absolutely safe).
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Wasn't the same tactic used against one of his Republican opponents?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/
It was low then and it is even lower now since it's not about Romney, but someone else's divorce. We should be better than that.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)with the Boston Globe's request to bring this issue up?
Beacool
(30,247 posts)They are obviously trying to help their candidate of choice. I think that these type of attacks hit below the belt, whether they are directed at our side or not.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Mittens was Governor there, claims Massachusetts as his home state--reason enough for the Globe to give him extra scrutiny. I applaud them for doing their job.
randome
(34,845 posts)I usually agree that we should not get sidetracked into frivolous issues but I think this is relevant since it's alleged that he lied under oath and then cashed in on that.
If that's what this is, it definitely applies to his trustworthiness.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)- especially Weld. They have also done a HUGE number of Scott Brown puff pieces that heap praise on him whenever he jumps even very low bars. (They have recently started to call him on his nasty campaign.)
I assume they will endorse Obama - because they KNOW how bad a MA governor he was - as he speaks of a non existant apology tour, it may remind the BG that he spent an entire year mostly out of state - trashing MA and apologizing for being its Governor - across the country.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)Note the date January 2004. Obama was not even the democratic nominee then. You could say that he was lucky as both a strong Democratic opponent and this Republican opponent imploded. That led to Alan Keyes entering and getting the Republican nomination - giving Obama the easiest race in the country.
Here again, this is not Obama. It seems it is the wife and the Boston Globe. As Kerry said on the night of the debate, speaking of Massachusetts, that the people who know Romney the best, like him the least. I would bet that this story - true or not - has bubbled around Boston for decades. If the accounts are true, Romney is a creep. (Note there are many things that already let me make that judgment.
Megahurtz
(7,046 posts)LOL
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)so his friend got off with easy settlement. Mittens and friend cashed out their stock to the tune of millions shortly thereafter.
Friend's Wife got screwed by Mittens, just not in the way ya'll are thinkin'.
When you're thinking about Mittens, think $$$$$. Because that's all that's there.
marshall
(6,665 posts)The selling of stock is the opposite--Friend's Wife apparantly took the testimony at face value and promptly sold her 500,000 stocks. Meanshile Friend and Romney held onto their stock and took Staples public, vastly increasing the stock value. Friend's Wife was screwed--if she had held onto her stock she would have had hundreds of millions instead of just tens of millions.
randome
(34,845 posts)If Staples wasn't public at the time of the divorce, could Romney's testimony have been accurate?
marshall
(6,665 posts)He was giving an opinion about the value of the company and the stock over time. The court could easily put an actual dollar amount on the stock at the present moment, but Romney was projecting about how much it would be worth in relation to division of assets. I don't know if it could be proven that he "lied" unless they somehow get concurrent testimony directly opposing what he told the court. It actually would speak more to his business acumen. Perhaps the Ex Wife could argue (or at least believes) that the entire testimony was a ruse to trick her into selling stock that she thought was worthless (even though she hadn't been allocated her portion yet), because if she had hung onto it rather than selling it she would have been much better off financially.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Meaning that she only got 10s of millions. Meh. No sympathy from the masses there.
I thought I'd read that she ended up with very little and lost it all to illness. If she lost 10s of millions, that's her bad and nobody else's. She's just a greedy fool.