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Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:35 PM

Fauci Says US Headed In 'Wrong Direction' On Coronavirus

Source: AP News

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — The United States is in an "unnecessary predicament” of soaring COVID-19 cases fueled by unvaccinated Americans and the virulent delta variant, the nation’s top infectious diseases expert said Sunday. "We’re going in the wrong direction,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, describing himself as "very frustrated.”

He said recommending that the vaccinated wear masks is "under active consideration” by the government’s leading public health officials. Also, booster shots may be suggested for people with suppressed immune systems who have been vaccinated, Fauci said.

Fauci, who also serves President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, told CNN’s “State of the Union” that he has taken part in conversations about altering the mask guidelines.

He noted that some local jurisdictions where infection rates are surging, such as Los Angeles County, are already calling on individuals to wear masks in public regardless of vaccination status. Fauci said those local rules are compatible with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommendation that the vaccinated do not need to wear masks in public...

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-anthony-fauci-masks-70585010748808ce2284cfc19b608e47





- Top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci responds to accusations by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., as he testifies before the Senate Health, Education, Labor, & Pensions Committee, Washington, Tues., July 20, 2021. Cases of COVID-19 have tripled over the past 3 weeks, & hospitalizations & deaths are rising among unvaccinated people.

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Reply Fauci Says US Headed In 'Wrong Direction' On Coronavirus (Original post)
appalachiablue Jul 25 OP
BumRushDaShow Jul 25 #1
appalachiablue Jul 25 #2
BumRushDaShow Jul 25 #3
LisaL Jul 25 #7
LisaL Jul 25 #8
appalachiablue Jul 25 #12
Evolve Dammit Jul 25 #9
Skittles Jul 25 #11
Cryptoad Jul 25 #4
PortTack Jul 25 #5
rockfordfile Jul 25 #10
monkeyman1 Jul 25 #6
FakeNoose Jul 25 #13
littlemissmartypants Jul 26 #14
appalachiablue Jul 26 #15
BlueWavePsych Jul 26 #16
appalachiablue Jul 26 #17

Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:57 PM

1. I am glad

they are starting to work on some face-saving way to walk back the "throw caution to the wind and get back to 'normal'" advice that was designed to shame anti-vaxxers or hesitants into getting a vaccine.

And when that strategy didn't work, we ended up with people now handed a get-out-of-masking-free card, newly enabled to spread the more contagious version to both the unvaccinated (including those who can't be like children under 12) and to the fully vaccinated, while loon state/local governments correctly point out that "We're just following CDC guidelines".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 02:02 PM

2. The CDC meant well, but didn't factor in

the resistance and ignorance, esp. re masks.

We're in the soup, variants growing and spreading.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:00 PM

3. I expect they were actually aware that there will always be a subset

of refusals - particularly scary when it is happening with significant percentages of the very medical personnel who are actually caring for COVID patients.

However I think they are also still thinking in a tunnel-vision manner by claiming COVID-19 is "novel" yet still treating it as if it were some sort of "bad flu", which in turn downplays any asymptomatic or "mild" infections and the potential minor organ damage that could still occur - even if hospitalization were not required.

We know there are "long-haulers" but the question then becomes whether anyone who gets some degree of symptomatic infection would consider whether their "recovery" was really "a recovery", and they are now experiencing a quality of life reduction. Hell I know that after some flus, it may take up to 6 weeks dealing with the initial onset, then the main infection, then finally coming out of it through to the last productive cough and fatigue of a flu.

So with Delta here, it will be instructive to follow those fully vaccinated who did get it, and how long the symptoms last or linger. I know the CDC's V-Safe app does do survey tracking of those who signed up, but I'm not sure how long out they will do it (I actually did get an 3-month (anniversary) post-2nd dose check-in request a few days ago).

I know this has been posted before on DU - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57431420



and I wouldn't be surprised if Delta is actually closer in R0 to Mumps than is being depicted, especially when you are seeing more and more so-called "break-through" symptomatic infections being reported ("break-through" a term being as oxymoronic as "herd immunity" IMHO).

But I think to be fair, it is hard and time-consuming for public officials to wade through all the data out there, and then come up with some policies and guidelines. But given that the early indications were that the Delta variant has actually been producing symptoms that mimic a coronavirus' more benign cousins ("cold" type sniffing and sneezing), then anyone who ends up with those symptoms will be hesitant to assume they are infected with COVID (as would be expected) until it is too late, particularly if the more indicative symptoms like "loss of taste and smell" kick in.

So in reality, there is most likely an undercount of positives while people "wait out" what they think is a "common cold" or "allergies".

If anything, it was noted a year ago that the incidences of colds and flu were drastically reduced due to the very mitigation strategies deployed to minimize the risk of contracting COVID-19. Remove those mitigations as CDC has effectively done, and now you put yourself into the middle of a guessing game of whether you have "a cold" or "the flu" or "COVID-19".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:28 PM

7. Exactly.

How could you not be aware that a part of the population would refuse to vaccinate? And we are definitely under-counting the number of infections in the US. Some countries like UK send free test kits to anyone who wants it, and we are not doing anything of the sort. It also should have been obvious that a lot of anti-vaxxers are also anti-maskers and won't wear masks unless they are being made to wear masks. So when mask mandates are removed they won't voluntarily wear masks.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:28 PM

8. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:06 PM

12. And the opposition will pick and tear

at anything Fauci says or does, the way it is.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:29 PM

9. Sadly that is exactly right.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 06:49 PM

11. then they are stupid beyond belief

didn't the fact that Trump received more votes this time than last time tell them anything about the critical thinking skills of too many Americans?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:18 PM

4. How many members of GOP can

the GOP afford to lose??????

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:26 PM

5. He's right, but I wish he hadn't used that term. You watch the right will run with that

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Response to PortTack (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 06:49 PM

10. It's the truth.

Biden administration has underestimated Russian and right-wing propaganda.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:54 PM

6. the republican death cartel at it's best !! they could fuck -up a football !!!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:15 PM

13. If Chump were still in the WH, Dr. Fauci would never have been able to say this

Thank God these doctors can speak the truth and not be muzzled like before.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 03:23 AM

14. I love him so much.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, on the other hand, has been an unmitigated disaster, imo.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:23 AM

15. What a contrast, like night and day

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 10:34 AM

16. Kick

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 26, 2021, 10:46 AM

17. Good one, tx

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