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Jose Garcia

(2,702 posts)
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:01 PM Aug 2021

Cuomo says he "never touched anyone inappropriately"

Source: CBS News

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday he "never touched anyone inappropriately" or "made inappropriate sexual advances," after an explosive state Attorney General's investigation found he sexually harassed multiple current and former staffers, as well as women who did not work for his administration.

"The facts are much different than what has been portrayed," Cuomo said in a speech at the governor's mansion.

"I am 63 years old. I have lived my entire adult life in public view. That is just not who I am, and that's not who I have ever been," he said.

Cuomo said he understands "there are generational and cultural perspectives that I have not fully appreciated" and said, "I have learned from this."

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/andrew-cuomo-sexual-harassment-probe/

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Cuomo says he "never touched anyone inappropriately" (Original Post) Jose Garcia Aug 2021 OP
His statement is as bad (though in a different way) as the sexual harassment. spooky3 Aug 2021 #1
His statement was truly awful. I cringed for him since he clearly doesn't care. zuul Aug 2021 #4
"...generational and cultural perspectives that I have not fully appreciated" 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2021 #2
Oh man, he needs to resign ASAP Polybius Aug 2021 #3
I don't think a lot of you really understand what was going on there. I'm now 77 so no longer napi21 Aug 2021 #5
"Cuomo's actions were common practice." A very true and reality based point that most of us women LizBeth Aug 2021 #7
I also don't agree that the men meant no harm, any more spooky3 Aug 2021 #10
+1 LizBeth Aug 2021 #12
No. I'm close to Cuomo's age and can assure you spooky3 Aug 2021 #8
+1, privilege allowed him to feel he could continue. And all the decades he got away with it LizBeth Aug 2021 #9
Exactly! Nt spooky3 Aug 2021 #11
He knew. The rest is details. twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #14
It's a good thing he backed those changes treestar Aug 2021 #16
What good are the changes when he ignores them spooky3 Aug 2021 #17
Tons of people who lived under them treestar Aug 2021 #19
I have responded and am done discussing this with you. Read the report. spooky3 Aug 2021 #20
but how could he have known if he forced staff to take the training programs for him? /s cadoman Aug 2021 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Aug 2021 #22
The replacement will pardon Trump Historic NY Aug 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Aug 2021 #25
Do you think Letitia James is part of this "plan"? onenote Aug 2021 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Aug 2021 #37
Still trying to understand the "plan" you referred to. onenote Aug 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Aug 2021 #43
I agree with you Hamersjill Flash953 Aug 2021 #45
James filed suit against the NRA last August. And the criminal investigation of Trump onenote Aug 2021 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Aug 2021 #50
She doesn't control pardons. Historic NY Aug 2021 #53
Do you think the Repubs weren't going to "line up" to win the governor's race onenote Aug 2021 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2021 #34
What are you Karma13612 Aug 2021 #52
I compared this to Mad Men in another post AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #24
He knows Rebl2 Aug 2021 #26
I really gotta love people citing age like its some sort of defense for his actions. Lancero Aug 2021 #28
Yes, he SHOULD know better, but his age is used because several decades ago, what he did was common napi21 Aug 2021 #42
People are supposed to change with the times Polybius Aug 2021 #48
+1 He is 63 -- not 163 Apollo Zeus Aug 2021 #51
Yeah Sure Ya Betcha Faux pas Aug 2021 #6
Pretty cringy he went that way. BradAllison Aug 2021 #13
If he does, he'd get trounced in the primary Polybius Aug 2021 #55
Plenty of crimes don't involve physical contact... Harker Aug 2021 #15
If he laid a hand on any woman anywhere on her body MontanaMama Aug 2021 #18
According to him. AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Richard D Aug 2021 #27
What the hell does that have to do with Cuomo sexually harassing women? Jose Garcia Aug 2021 #29
It's not important rpannier Aug 2021 #32
Just because people have gotten away with sexist, racist behavior in the past doesn't make it OK Cozmo Aug 2021 #30
Criminals don't get to decide what "inappropriate" means. NotANeocon Aug 2021 #31
Exactly TexasBushwhacker Aug 2021 #39
Irrelevant. paleotn Aug 2021 #33
Ive fired men who also never touched their victim. GulfCoast66 Aug 2021 #35
Thank you for posting this. nt spooky3 Aug 2021 #40
It's nothing but the truth. GulfCoast66 Aug 2021 #41
Does anyone know what Leticia James is doing with the NRA? What about the issues with Trump? Flash953 Aug 2021 #44
She filed suit against the NRA last August. The civil investigation into the Trump organization is onenote Aug 2021 #46
He has a different definition of what is inappropriate and appropriate Raine Aug 2021 #49

spooky3

(34,915 posts)
1. His statement is as bad (though in a different way) as the sexual harassment.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:13 PM
Aug 2021

It’s appalling that he blames this on “politics.” And he was responsible for initiating the changes in NY law and policy on SH. Not sure if that’s ironic, or that he was trying to deflect in advance.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
5. I don't think a lot of you really understand what was going on there. I'm now 77 so no longer
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:35 PM
Aug 2021

working, but I did work in an office environment from age 18 on. Cuomo's actions were common practice. It was important for women to handle it as they saw fit in order to be seen as promotable to management some day. I know from personal experience that that's the way it worked. I began as a file clerk & years later, retired as a director of finance after several promotions & relocation to three different States.

Although there are a few exceptions, most of the men mean no harm, nor do they want to upset the women they work with. If you were upset by their words or actions an you told them to knock it off, they did.

I realize it's 2021, and my experiences are from the 60's through 1990 and things are very different now. I'm only trying to explaine to you that Cuomo is still functioning in the past and he doesn't see what everyone's complaining about. Someone needs to tell him exactly that, and that he must move into the new era or quit!

LizBeth

(9,986 posts)
7. "Cuomo's actions were common practice." A very true and reality based point that most of us women
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:55 PM
Aug 2021

were forced to live. I do not necessarily agree that most men meant no harm. I think they well did mean to dominate and intimidate and have their little fun at women's expense but it was a norm rather than otherwise.

spooky3

(34,915 posts)
10. I also don't agree that the men meant no harm, any more
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:58 PM
Aug 2021

than racists didn’t mean harm when they made racist comments or excluded people of color from good jobs.

They felt entitled and that no one would hold them to account.

spooky3

(34,915 posts)
8. No. I'm close to Cuomo's age and can assure you
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:56 PM
Aug 2021

that the law has been very clear for decades on this, and companies have had training programs forever. Cuomo himself backed recent changes in NY law that clarified and toughened up the policies in the NY state government. There is ZERO possibility that he “didn’t understand” or that “generational differences” account for his behavior.



LizBeth

(9,986 posts)
9. +1, privilege allowed him to feel he could continue. And all the decades he got away with it
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:58 PM
Aug 2021

reinforced that belief. And is friends around him that enabled or participate with him.

spooky3

(34,915 posts)
17. What good are the changes when he ignores them
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 04:02 PM
Aug 2021

And breaks his own rules?

Please stop defending the indefensible.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. Tons of people who lived under them
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 04:06 PM
Aug 2021

and went along with him? What? If he doesn't obey, they are worthless? (if he has been proven guilty). Stop labeling arguments and respond to them instead.

spooky3

(34,915 posts)
20. I have responded and am done discussing this with you. Read the report.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 04:09 PM
Aug 2021

Read up on the law on sexual harassment. Stop defending the indefensible.

cadoman

(792 posts)
56. but how could he have known if he forced staff to take the training programs for him? /s
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 02:51 AM
Aug 2021

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cuomo, beyond simply being a bad person who should be in prison, is dead weight for us politically. Many of you will not fully understand how bad the nursing home situation was until he has a campaign opponent calling him out on it.

Should have been cut long ago, but better late than never.

Response to napi21 (Reply #5)

Response to Historic NY (Reply #23)

onenote

(43,403 posts)
36. Do you think Letitia James is part of this "plan"?
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 08:50 PM
Aug 2021

To put it another way...do you believe her report or not?

Response to onenote (Reply #36)

onenote

(43,403 posts)
38. Still trying to understand the "plan" you referred to.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 09:27 PM
Aug 2021

Are you saying the women who came forward were plants working on Trump's behalf? That they lied? That Letitia James -- the highly respected Attorney General of New York -- had the wool pulled over her eyes?

Defending Cuomo sends a message -- and its not a good one.


Response to onenote (Reply #38)

Flash953

(87 posts)
45. I agree with you Hamersjill
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 11:00 PM
Aug 2021

I don't have all day to get all the info on Cuomo. I know Leticia James is doing things against the NRA and looking into criminal investigations of Trump. I would like the AG to take down the NRA and Trump first.

onenote

(43,403 posts)
47. James filed suit against the NRA last August. And the criminal investigation of Trump
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 11:52 PM
Aug 2021

is largely in the hands of the District Attorney.

Cuomo himself asked James to conduct an investigation of the harassment claims against him last March. Do you think she should have stonewalled that investigation?

Response to Flash953 (Reply #45)

Historic NY

(37,583 posts)
53. She doesn't control pardons.
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 08:57 PM
Aug 2021

The Republicans are already lining up in Westchester & Long Island to capture the throne .

onenote

(43,403 posts)
54. Do you think the Repubs weren't going to "line up" to win the governor's race
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 10:28 PM
Aug 2021

no matter which Democrat is running?

This notion that Cuomo is the victim of some "plan" is ludicrous unless you think James is part of that plan. Which itself is ludicrous.

Response to Historic NY (Reply #23)

AngryOldDem

(14,094 posts)
24. I compared this to Mad Men in another post
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 05:14 PM
Aug 2021

I love that show, but seeing how the workplace was back then is extremely uncomfortable to watch. And I’m of that age, too, to know for a fact it was not exaggerated. What a gag-inducing place the governor’s office must have been (or still is, for all we know). Cuomo seems to honestly not get why his behavior is just offensive and wrong.

Lancero

(3,050 posts)
28. I really gotta love people citing age like its some sort of defense for his actions.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 06:29 PM
Aug 2021

At his age, shouldn't he know better?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
42. Yes, he SHOULD know better, but his age is used because several decades ago, what he did was common
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 10:31 PM
Aug 2021

practice. Anyone who was in the workforce for a log time had to change with the times. Unfortunately it seems Cuomo did not learn.

Polybius

(16,291 posts)
48. People are supposed to change with the times
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 12:38 AM
Aug 2021

Just like people used to say fussy. Saying it in 2021 makes a person look silly. It's been replaced by picky.

Apollo Zeus

(251 posts)
51. +1 He is 63 -- not 163
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 11:35 AM
Aug 2021

and it hitting on and touching 25-year-old employees is never appropriate.

He is burying his legacy with his non-apology / "I did nothing wrong" nonsense.

Harker

(14,402 posts)
15. Plenty of crimes don't involve physical contact...
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 03:57 PM
Aug 2021

and parsing doesn't help. It compounds the insensitivity.

He should resign.

Now.

MontanaMama

(23,542 posts)
18. If he laid a hand on any woman anywhere on her body
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 04:06 PM
Aug 2021

without her permission, it was inappropriate. He can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned.

AngryOldDem

(14,094 posts)
21. According to him.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 04:49 PM
Aug 2021

I’m dumbfounded that he admits to what he did, but can’t see how or why it’s offensive. And he further demeans the women who brought these allegations to boot.

What did he hope to gain with that whole cringy slideshow of him acting like a gold-plated creeper? If anything, that closes the case.

He needs to do himself a favor and resign.

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

rpannier

(24,432 posts)
32. It's not important
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 06:58 PM
Aug 2021

What is important is that the Democratic Attorney General of the State of New York put together a commission to investigate Cuomo and found that he had committed serious offenses; violating both state and federal laws

If you want to go pure politics; Cuomo is NOT the only Democrat that can win the governor's race. Just about any Democrat will win it.
Trump flunkies wanting to run for governor is a non-starter

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
30. Just because people have gotten away with sexist, racist behavior in the past doesn't make it OK
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 06:40 PM
Aug 2021

We all gotta evolve.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,492 posts)
39. Exactly
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 09:32 PM
Aug 2021

He didn't say he never touched anyone, just that he didn't do it "inappropriately". Well, the perpetrator doesn't get to make that decision. Like Harvey Weinstein. He said all the sex he had with actresses was "consensual". Has he looked in the mirror lately? Geez!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
35. Ive fired men who also never touched their victim.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 08:21 PM
Aug 2021

I’m old enough to remember when women at my company regularly had to put up with skivvy comments. But no more.

About the time I became a manager 26 years ago it started changing. Over the next 5 year many men were fired and way more who could not change retired.

I personally terminated several. If the Governor worked for me and my HR department came back with same investigation results I would fire him. And not blink an eye. And the Union would not strongly support any grievance he filed. They would represent, but as anyone in a union workforce knows there is being there as a union representative and actually fighting for the member.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
41. It's nothing but the truth.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 10:30 PM
Aug 2021

We learned over a decade ago in my company that if you are making a woman feel uncomfortable it’s on you. Not her.

You do it more than a one or 2 times you are gone.

The biggest problem was men thinking the way they talked to other men of their mindset was cool for the ‘girls’ since they were now in the workplace.

It took a while to change that bullshit. But I tell my employees that if they use any language or say anything they would not say to their grandmother they are on thin ice.

I’ve seen what my wife put up with over 30 years ago at our company. She is now in a position of power and believe me, she has an even less tolerant policy than me. As long as I’m a manager that shit won’t be allowed at all. Fortunately that is true throughout my company of over 120,000 employees. And that has now been extended to all marginalized groups.

Flash953

(87 posts)
44. Does anyone know what Leticia James is doing with the NRA? What about the issues with Trump?
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 10:59 PM
Aug 2021

Whats the latest on the NRA? Does Frump owe New York any Taxes?

onenote

(43,403 posts)
46. She filed suit against the NRA last August. The civil investigation into the Trump organization is
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 11:49 PM
Aug 2021

ongoing. District Attorney Cyrus Vance is pursuing a criminal investigation.

The Cuomo investigation was conducted by James at Cuomo's request.

Raine

(30,565 posts)
49. He has a different definition of what is inappropriate and appropriate
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 05:08 AM
Aug 2021

from the women he touched INAPPROPRIATELY.

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