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bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 09:56 AM Aug 2021

Blast reported at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul

Source: CNN

(CNN)An explosion was reported outside the Hamid Karzai International Airport on Thursday, according to two US officials.

One official said there are injuries among Afghans, but there is no information yet on any US casualties.

Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby confirmed there was an explosion outside of the airport. "We can confirm an explosion outside Kabul airport. Casualties are unclear at this time. We will provide additional details when we can," he said in a tweet.

This is a developing story.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/26/asia/afghanistan-kabul-airport-blast-intl/index.html

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Blast reported at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul (Original Post) bearsfootball516 Aug 2021 OP
Oh dear FBaggins Aug 2021 #1
Looks like that's the plan.... secondwind Aug 2021 #2
More likely an attempt by Isis to wnylib Aug 2021 #4
I doubt that it's aimed at Biden FBaggins Aug 2021 #6
Yes, agree. Hopefully no Americans hurt and minimal people hurt overall. LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #10
Ditto onetexan Aug 2021 #25
+1 Lulu KC Aug 2021 #29
Certainly the goal of our domestic enemies and terrorists. n/t MarcA Aug 2021 #28
Oh please...... Yorkist Aug 2021 #51
Taliban and MAGAts have a lot in common. BlueWavePsych Aug 2021 #3
Yup. nt SunSeeker Aug 2021 #54
ISIS has shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles dalton99a Aug 2021 #5
Eeentsy-beentsy nit to pick. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 #7
Am I the only one who looked at this picture, specifically the two guys in the front... SKKY Aug 2021 #23
... orangecrush Aug 2021 #44
So I wonder if this is the terrorist threat PatSeg Aug 2021 #8
Yes, it is. Huffpost has a more detailed wnylib Aug 2021 #11
Why would an explosion outside the airport make President Biden Polly Hennessey Aug 2021 #9
"Is he supposed to solve and cure all of humankind's problems?"-- apparently yes. LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #13
Just because Biden is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't Ohioboy Aug 2021 #19
It could shut down additional evacuations FBaggins Aug 2021 #22
"US personnel among the wounded", get our troops out NOW Shanti Shanti Shanti Aug 2021 #12
where are you getting that from? LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #17
Reuters has it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #21
THANKS-- just saw on twitter. LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #37
I suspect this is but one example of just how much genuine control the leadership of the Taliban Ford_Prefect Aug 2021 #14
this was predicted of course and hopefully we were prepared for it LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #15
Taliban official says at least 11 killed in blast, according to reports muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #16
thank god for the warnings-- though really, how can any American have waited until now to get out? LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #18
Afghan journalist via BBC: At least two attackers involved muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #20
Looks like the Taliban is getting desperate to stop the brain drain from their country. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #24
This wasn't a Taliban attack Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #26
Why are they enemies? They have so much in common! nt SunSeeker Aug 2021 #27
Power Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #31
There's infighting for power among the tribal war lords of the Taliban. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #33
ISIS is their sworn enemy Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #34
No, they're not. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #39
The Taliban literally executed their leader a week ago. Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #40
He was not an ISIS leader. The ISIS leadership had demoted him for "poor performance." SunSeeker Aug 2021 #43
In one sense... that's the story of the world FBaggins Aug 2021 #35
The Taliban and ISIS are both Sunni Muslim extremists; the Taliban has sought unity with ISIS. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #38
Taliban executes former IS-K chief a year after Afghan govt jailed him: Report muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #41
ISIS had already demoted him for "poor performance." The Taliban was just taking out ISIS' trash. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #45
That is, frankly, bullshit muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #46
Bullshit is claiming you know who the suicide bomber was and whose interests he served. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #47
See the link in #42 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #48
The Taliban has publicly stated they want the brain drain to stop. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #49
And you are guessing that this was "to stop the brain drain" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #50
What motivated the suicide bomber can be different from what motivated the Taliban to let it happen. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #53
Islamic State claims responsibility for deadly Kabul airport attack muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #57
+1 Lulu KC Aug 2021 #30
You don't know that. Mosby Aug 2021 #32
However, it is what the US thinks most likely muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #42
The Taliban are in control of Kabul. They want the Kabul Airport brain drain to stop. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #52
There has been a 3rd attack. Mosby Aug 2021 #55
There will be attacks as long as we're there. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #56
How many "Suicide bombing in Kabul kills X people" threads have received two replies and sunk greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #36

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
4. More likely an attempt by Isis to
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:15 AM
Aug 2021

undermine the Taliban. Prior warnings to people about danger outside the gates of the airport were focused on the small number of Isis in Afghanistan who want to disrupt the control of the Taliban.

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
6. I doubt that it's aimed at Biden
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:26 AM
Aug 2021

Best guess is that it's ISIS seeing an opportunity to mess with both the US and the Taliban at the same time.

No reason to think that it would be any different with Trump or Obama in the same scenario. Of course it will hurt Biden if it turns out to be a real attack... but that goes with sitting at the Resolute Desk.

Yorkist

(59 posts)
51. Oh please......
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:31 PM
Aug 2021

….have a word with yourself. If the first thing you can think of whilst they’re tending the wounded is Joe Bidens short term popularity you are either his pollster, or you’ve got your priorities wrong.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
5. ISIS has shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:16 AM
Aug 2021

They might try that next

(The U.S. also gave hundreds of Stinger missiles to the Taliban during the 80s to shoot down Russian aircraft)

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,406 posts)
7. Eeentsy-beentsy nit to pick.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:28 AM
Aug 2021

The missiles were supplied to the mujahideen. So, whatever became of the mujahideen? Some of them went on to form the Taliban.

It's a timeline thing.

Backgrounder

The Taliban in Afghanistan

Since its ouster in 2001, the Taliban has maintained its insurgency against the U.S.-led mission in Afghanistan and the Afghan government. As U.S. troops have withdrawn in 2021, the group has rapidly expanded its control, positioning itself for a return to power.



Taliban fighters attend a gathering to celebrate the U.S.-Taliban deal in March 2020. Wali Sabawoon/NurPhoto/Getty Images

WRITTEN BY Lindsay Maizland

UPDATED Last updated August 3, 2021 12:00 pm (EST)

{snip}

How was the Taliban formed?

The group was formed in the early 1990s by Afghan mujahideen, or Islamic guerilla fighters, who had resisted the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979–89) with the covert backing of the CIA and its Pakistani counterpart, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate (ISI). They were joined by younger Pashtun tribesmen who studied in Pakistani madrassas, or seminaries; taliban is Pashto for “students.” Pashtuns comprise a plurality in Afghanistan and are the predominant ethnic group in much of the country’s south and east. They are also a major ethnic group in Pakistan’s north and west.

{snip}

SKKY

(11,804 posts)
23. Am I the only one who looked at this picture, specifically the two guys in the front...
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:14 AM
Aug 2021

Last edited Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)

..and thought, "Wait? Tretorn makes black hightops??"

PatSeg

(47,405 posts)
8. So I wonder if this is the terrorist threat
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:35 AM
Aug 2021

that was reported last night, when the U.S. Embassy, as well as the British and Australian governments warned Americans to stay away from the airport and the airport perimeter.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142791333

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
11. Yes, it is. Huffpost has a more detailed
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:54 AM
Aug 2021

front headline story on this. The UK warning specifically said that an attack was imminent within hours.

Polly Hennessey

(6,793 posts)
9. Why would an explosion outside the airport make President Biden
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:43 AM
Aug 2021

look bad? Anything and everything that happens is Biden’s fault. Is he supposed to solve and cure all of humankind’s problems? Quite a feat.

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
22. It could shut down additional evacuations
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:09 AM
Aug 2021

Civilian evacuations would have to end a little over a day from now if you assume the expected three days for the final military resources to leave.

We already know that the US told any Americans outside the airport gates to leave the area due to a potential attack... which means that they obviously aren't currently able to get to the airport for evacuation.

Worse possibilities quickly come to mind if we speculate that there's an ongoing risk. This isn't Bagram air base where US forces can secure a substantial perimeter. Flights might need to cease entirely.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
21. Reuters has it
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:05 AM
Aug 2021
A U.S. official told Reuters there were casualties from the explosion, but said it was unclear how many people were hurt. As many as three U.S. service members were among those injured, the official said, citing initial information.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/explosion-outside-kabul-airport-casualties-unclear-pentagon-2021-08-26/

And just now it's become official - the Pentagon Press Secretary:




"We can confirm that the explosion at the Abbey Gate was the result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of US & civilian casualties. We can also confirm at least one other explosion at or near the Baron Hotel, a short distance from Abbey Gate."

Ford_Prefect

(7,891 posts)
14. I suspect this is but one example of just how much genuine control the leadership of the Taliban
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:56 AM
Aug 2021

actually has over the actions of the horde. ISIS and the Taliban were originally configured to operate as a diffuse force rather than with top down cohesive command.

I suspect there are also more than a few zealots among them who feel the need to strike one more blow against the Great Satan of the west and any of those who ally with him. The Khmer Rouge were equally ruthless in their oppression and interpretation of loyalty.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
16. Taliban official says at least 11 killed in blast, according to reports
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 10:58 AM
Aug 2021
A Taliban security source has said at least 11 people, including foreigners and children, have been killed, and many Taliban guards wounded, in the explosion outside Kabul airport, Al Jazeera are reporting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/aug/26/afghanistan-live-news-updates-evacuation-refugees-taliban-kabul-airport-latest?page=with:block-6127a58f8f080840ca17c2cc#block-6127a58f8f080840ca17c2cc

Someone's intelligence on this was pretty good - the warnings not to approach the airport had come via several western embassies this morning.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
20. Afghan journalist via BBC: At least two attackers involved
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:02 AM
Aug 2021
Afghan journalist Bilal Sarwary - who was evacuated from the country a few days ago - says that the explosion at Kabul airport occurred in a sewage canal where Afghan refugees were having their visa documents vetted.

He reports that a suicide bomber detonated his explosives in the crowd of people before a second attacker started opening fire.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-58279900

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
24. Looks like the Taliban is getting desperate to stop the brain drain from their country.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:53 AM
Aug 2021

This may delay flights, but it won't stop the educated from fleeing.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
33. There's infighting for power among the tribal war lords of the Taliban.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:11 PM
Aug 2021

That does not make them enemies.

Johnny2X2X

(19,047 posts)
34. ISIS is their sworn enemy
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:16 PM
Aug 2021

The Taliban have executed ISIS leaders. This isn't the regular warlord stuff.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
39. No, they're not.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:43 PM
Aug 2021

The Taliban and ISIS are both Sunni Muslim extremists; the Taliban has sought unity with ISIS.

Both want an authoritarian regime under strict sharia law. Though the two are united in their use of violence to enforce their goals, what differentiates them essentially comes down to strategic differences of how to accomplish their common goals, with ISIS favoring more extreme violence. Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour asked his Isis counterpart Abu Bakr al Baghdadi to unite under the Taliban’s leadership in order to achieve a common goal of ruling by sharia law.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
43. He was not an ISIS leader. The ISIS leadership had demoted him for "poor performance."
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:51 PM
Aug 2021

The Taliban basically completed what ISIS started; the Taliban took out ISIS' trash for them. Read your article.

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
35. In one sense... that's the story of the world
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:17 PM
Aug 2021

We have so much in common - yet we're always in conflict with each other.


But in the more specific sense, you can't just say "they're both Muslim fanatics so they should get along". Shia/Sunni Iran-backed/Iran-hating, different ethnic groups with greater enmity than our own racial divisions... the list goes on.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
38. The Taliban and ISIS are both Sunni Muslim extremists; the Taliban has sought unity with ISIS.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:40 PM
Aug 2021

Both want an authoritarian regime under strict sharia law. Though the two are united in their use of violence to enforce their goals, what differentiates them essentially comes down to strategic differences of how to accomplish their common goals, with ISIS favoring more extreme violence. Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour asked his Isis counterpart Abu Bakr al Baghdadi to unite under the Taliban’s leadership in order to achieve a common goal of ruling by sharia law.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
41. Taliban executes former IS-K chief a year after Afghan govt jailed him: Report
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:47 PM
Aug 2021
According to a Wall Street Journal report, Khorasani, also known as Mawlawi Ziya ul-Haq, was taken from an Afghan government prison and executed. Khorasani had been arrested by Afghan security forces in an operation in May 2020. Khorasani headed the group’s South Asia operations, but had been replaced as chief at the time of his arrest.
...
According to reports, Khorasani was killed in the Pul-e-Charkhi prison in Kabul.

Khorasan’s successor, Shahab al-Muhajir, was appointed in June 2020, according to a report by the United Nationals monitoring team for the ISIL (Da’esh) & Al Qaeda sanctions Committee.

In July 21, the UN team in its 28th report warned that ISIL-K was seeking to recruit Taliban fighters. The Taliban and ISIS have clashed numerous times in Afghanistan since 2015.

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2021/08/19/taliban-executes-is-k-chief-a-year-after-afghan-govt-jailed-him.html

The formation of ISKP prompted Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour to write a letter to his Isis counterpart, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, calling on him to abandon his recruitment drive of the disaffected and arguing that any war for their comparable cause in Afghanistan should be carried out under Taliban leadership.
...
More battles erupted in April 2017 when ISKP captured three drug dealers selling opium to raise funds for the Taliban in the northern Afghan province of Jowzjan and again in May 2017 when 22 militants were killed in clashes between the two sides along the Iranian border.

The Taliban launched an offensive to clear Isis out of Jowzjan the following summer, with the the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan joining in on the latter’s side, as up to 7,000 people were displaced from their homes.

That July’s conflict ended in a significant defeat for ISKP, who suffered further setbacks in skirmishes the following year before being almost entirely eradicated by the US and the Afghan military in late 2019, although the Council for Foreign Relations estimates that there are still 2,200 members of ISKP still active in Afghanistan.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/taliban-and-isis-connection-afghanistan-b1909352.html

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
45. ISIS had already demoted him for "poor performance." The Taliban was just taking out ISIS' trash.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:59 PM
Aug 2021

You ignore this part of The Week article you are quoting:


According to the UN report, “In April, ISIL-K leader Mawlawi Zia ul-Haq, also known as Abu Omar Khorasani, was dismissed and replaced by Mawlawi Aslam Farooqi, who was previously in charge of operations in the Khyber Agency. Ul-Haq’s demotion was reportedly due to poor performance in the context of ISIL-K setbacks in Nangarhar in the second half of 2018. 


https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2021/08/19/taliban-executes-is-k-chief-a-year-after-afghan-govt-jailed-him.html

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
46. That is, frankly, bullshit
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:06 PM
Aug 2021

You're trying to posit agreement or cooperation between IS-K and the Taliban that experts and people there just don't see.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
47. Bullshit is claiming you know who the suicide bomber was and whose interests he served.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:19 PM
Aug 2021

That there is infighting within and among the Taliban & ISIS does not mean they aren't working toward the same goal.

I'm not claiming I know for sure, I was just saying what it looks like to me. The Taliban have made it very clear in recent days that they want the brain drain to stop at the Kabul Airport. https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-spokesperson-says-afghans-stop-150424721.html

The bombings at the airport would appear to be an attempt to further that goal.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
48. See the link in #42
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:22 PM
Aug 2021

"Bullshit is claiming you know who the suicide bomber was and whose interests he served...The bombings at the airport would appear to be an attempt to further that goal." So your post claims to know whose interests he served.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
50. And you are guessing that this was "to stop the brain drain"
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:29 PM
Aug 2021

Meanwhile, in actual analysis and reporting:

Isis affiliate is prime suspect for Kabul airport suicide bombing

The crowds, planes and infrastructure at the airport provide an obvious venue for the kind of mass-casualty attack that Isis has become known for. But Winter said, the situation was also, for the group, a “perfect meeting of diverse targets” in Afghanistan: the US military, Afghans who have helped the western effort and are therefore seen as collaborators and the Taliban, which Isis-K sees as “apostates”.

Isis-K is likely to see an attack against the airport as a “great victory”, said Tore Hamming, an expert on Isis also at the ICSR.

“They achieve several things: they hit legitimate targets (from their perspective), they send a signal of still being a force to be reckoned with and they challenge the Taliban’s state project by highlighting that the group can’t secure Kabul.”
...
The new rulers of Afghanistan have so far been unable to force Isis-K fighters out of two valleys in Kunar province, despite repeated offensives earlier this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/26/isis-affiliate-iskp-is-prime-suspect-for-kabul-airport-suicide-bomb

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
53. What motivated the suicide bomber can be different from what motivated the Taliban to let it happen.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:40 PM
Aug 2021

And yes, of course I'm guessing, as is everyone else. I just saying this is what it looks like to me.

Kinda like how Trump let the Proud Boys attack the Capitol.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
57. Islamic State claims responsibility for deadly Kabul airport attack
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:13 PM
Aug 2021
Islamic State claimed responsibility for a deadly attack outside Kabul airport on Thursday, the group's Amaq News Agency said on its Telegram channel.

A suicide bomber from the Islamist militant group "managed to reach a large gathering of translators and collaborators with the American army at 'Baran Camp' near Kabul Airport and detonated his explosive belt among them, killing about 60 people and wounding more than 100 others, including Taliban fighters," it said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-kabul-airport-attack-2021-08-26/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
42. However, it is what the US thinks most likely
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:50 PM
Aug 2021

so a deletion seems unnecessary:

WASHINGTON – Explosions outside the Kabul airport that have caused multiple U.S. casualties come as Biden administration officials have been alarmed in recent days by threats at Hamid Karzai International Airport by ISIS-K, a terrorist group that is a sworn enemy of the Taliban.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said while no formal attribution has been made, all signs – and recently gathered intelligence – point to ISIS-K, an offshoot of Islamic State, as the culprits.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby tweeted that there was an explosion at Abbey Gate, as well as one at or near the Baron Hotel, which is a short distance from Abbey Gate. He noted the explosion at the gate "resulted in a number of US & civilian casualties."

U.S. officials, including President Joe Biden, had been warning of the threat of Islamic State terror attacks at the Kabul airport, which is being guarded by the Taliban as Americans and Afghan allies seek to leave the country.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/26/what-isis-k-afghanistan-islamic-state-terror-group/5600295001/

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
52. The Taliban are in control of Kabul. They want the Kabul Airport brain drain to stop.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:36 PM
Aug 2021

The Taliban relayed specific info on imminent violence at the airport and were telling people not to go to the airport, so they clearly knew this was going to happen.
https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-spokesperson-says-afghans-stop-150424721.html

Seems like letting their crazy buddies in ISIS do a few suicide bombings at Kabul Airport is an attempt to stop the brain drain.

That's all I'm saying.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
36. How many "Suicide bombing in Kabul kills X people" threads have received two replies and sunk
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 12:19 PM
Aug 2021

to the bottom of LBN and GD within minutes over the last several years?

I'd wager dozens. Conservatively, dozens.

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