California QAnon believer indicted on charges of killing his 2 children with a spear fishing gun

[SunSeeker]

Source: NBC News

A California father who said he was enlightened by QAnon to kill his 10-month-old daughter and 2-year-old son with a spear fishing gun in Mexico was indicted by a San Diego federal grand jury Wednesday.

Matthew Taylor Coleman, 40, is charged with two counts of foreign first-degree murder of United States nationals, according to a statement from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of California.

Coleman, a surfing instructor from Santa Barbara, could face the death penalty.

A criminal complaint filed last month accuses Coleman of killing his children "by shooting a spear fishing gun into their chests."



Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-qanon-believer-indicted-charges-killing-his-2-children-spear-n1278802

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QAnon believers should be labeled a terrorist organization. They are a danger to our country.

[gohuskies]

1. Another one of tRump's 'very fine people'

These psychos just have no limits to their depravity and cruelty. This guy needs to suffer the worst of consequences. There should be no punishment that is off limits for the heinous act he has committed.

[gab13by13]

2. I believe, I could be wrong,

Qanon people, according to what I'm seeing, are entitled to lesser sentences.

[PatSeg]

3. Speechless

[bucolic_frolic]

4. This is real?????

Repulsive. Just Ewww! If the jurisdiction is Mexico, let them have at it.

[RAB910]

5. I am sorry, but I wouldn't convict him because the man was insane

He confessed to killing the children, according to the complaint, telling investigators that "he believed his children were going to grow into monsters so he had to kill them."
"Coleman explained that he was enlightened by QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories and was receiving visions and signs" that revealed his wife was telling him "he was saving the world from monsters," the complaint said.

According to the document, Coleman said he knew it was wrong to kill his children, "but it was the only course of action that would save the world."
"Coleman explained that he was enlightened by QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories and was receiving visions and signs" that revealed his wife was telling him "he was saving the world from monsters," the complaint said.

According to the document, Coleman said he knew it was wrong to kill his children, "but it was the only course of action that would save the world."

[colorado_ufo]

6. He said that he knew it was wrong.

That is enough. If he is committed to a mental hospital, he could be released someday. Compounding this is a man who is physically attractive and charming and who could murder his children without any indication of intent. Some poor woman, ten years from now, could go surfing with her "date" and wind up with a fishing spear in her chest.

Good people are suffering. There is nothing that this man could do in his life to make his life valuable enough to save. Since Sirhan Sirhan is being released, a life sentence (after he "charms" the parole board) is not safe.

Send him to God, and let God be the judge.

[RAB910]

7. Do you think someone who believes that his young children will grow up and "Destroy the world"

is sane and capable of making rational decisions?

The federal insanity defense now requires the defendant to prove, by "clear and convincing evidence," that "at the time of the commission of the acts constituting the offense, the defendant, as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of his acts"


While he said he knew it was wrong to kill his children, believing that he was doing so for the greater good of saving the world, is a serious mental defect one can't look past.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/insanity_defense

[louis-t]

19. Qanon and believing crazy conspiracy theories are

severe mental defects.

[hollygolively]

9. I'm with you. He seems to be far beyond just a "typical" QAnon believer.

Perhaps I am biased as there is a history of schizophrenia in my family. Anyone receiving "Visions and signs" has more than a bad conspiracy theory habit. They are truly, mentally, ill.

Jail will do nothing for him, but make it worse. I'm not a Republican. I don't seek revenge on people.

[RAB910]

12. Thank you, this is the sort of response I thought I would see here

I thought part of being a Democrat or liberal was compassion and an appreciation of mental illness.

[SunSeeker]

10. How is he different from other QAnoners, other than he acted on his beliefs?

QAnoners believe the world is run by shape-shifting pedophile lizard people who eat children. How is that any less insane than what this guy believes?

Or the Jihadist who believe if they blow themselves up with a suicide bomb they will go to paradise and have 70 virgins at their disposal?

[RAB910]

11. Which Q teaching included the possibility of one's children growing up and destroying the world?

Look, this is mental illness. I know the article spun it that it was about Qanon, but I don't agree, not by a long shot

[SunSeeker]

22. How is believing "evil shape-shifting lizard people run the world" not mental illness?

If you can get a guy to believe that, it is not much of a stretch for him to believe his babies are evil shape shifters posing as his children.

[RAB910]

23. I have never heard nor could I find on the net

indications that Qanon believes in "evil shape-shifting lizard people running the world"

[SunSeeker]

27. Here you go...

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1253819#aoh=16313358521388&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

[tenderfoot]

13. He knew what he was doing and did it anyway

Spare me this nonsense.

[RAB910]

16. You believe he "saved the world" by killing his children?!?!

Because that is what he thought he was doing

[tenderfoot]

28. No. I believe he's a religious/narcissistic whack job that needed a reason.

So he made one up.

[MiniMe]

14. Well, somebody should have killed him to save the children!

Of course I don't believe that, but you don't kill kids

[IronLionZion]

24. Why make excuses for a child murderer?

People can be guilty and insane. We don't have to pick one. He needs to be locked up before he kills anyone else. Then he can get mental health treatment in prison.

[ck4829]

25. How do we test that? Just because what he did was heinous?

No, that’s not good enough.

There are mentions of there being “no warning signs”. His functioning in other areas does not seem diminished.

We may be looking at a healthy man of sound mind… who is willing to murder and has murdered his own children because of QAnon.

[2Gingersnaps]

8. "Enlightened"

Killed them with a spear fishing gun. Shaking.my.damn.head. This is just so incredibly sad for the babies.

[Hekate]

15. One of my oldest friends lives on that street, used to see his wife walking with the baby...

She’s beyond stunned. She said something about “Paradise lost” — my friend’s little house has a big yard, which she’s been intensively gardening every weekend for almost 50 years: Paradise.

Think what you will about what might be the snake — I think it’s Q. I think Q got into his brain and ate it.

There’s been a debate here about whether Sirhan2 committed an “ordinary murder,” and whether those of us who were alive then are simply indulging in a combination of nostalgia and revenge.

Sirhan is a political assassin who tried to kill our democratic government. So no, he doesn’t get to be paroled in a sensible world.

I see there’s now a debate over what kind of sentence should be meted out to Coleman. Is this an “ordinary murder”? Is he insane? Is his insanity temporary? Will he come back at his wife, the woman he thinks has reptile DNA, and finish his bloody mission?

The crime was horrific. Will it seem less horrific after he’s been locked up for a couple of decades? He seems to be a charmer — will he charm the Parole Board? He’s a Bible-thumper already — will he be one of those model prisoners sustained by his faith, and charm supporters outside prison? If he’s in a mental hospital setting, will they keep him forever? or medicate to stability, then let him back into a world where he can choose to stop taking his meds?

Sirhan shook the nation, as he did his part to take us down.

Coleman has shaken a neighborhood, the local world of surfers and childcare operations, the town, destroyed his wife — destroyed innocence.

Just a meditation — on Paradise lost.

[SunSeeker]

21. Wow. His poor wife. I don't think I'd be able to recover from that.

[riversedge]

17. Oh, the pain these small kids must have suffered. I have no words. Just numb at seeing this.

[bucolic_frolic]

18. Perhaps he believed his children were a diabolical extension of himself

A bad seed theory.

[truthisfreedom]

20. This guy needs a tattoo on his forehead.

I KILLED MY BABIES WITH A SPEAR GUN.

[ck4829]

26. What a scumbag