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riversedge

(69,708 posts)
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:41 PM Sep 2021

J.D. Vance Defends Texas Abortion Ban, Calls Rape 'Inconvenient'

Source: daily beast





J.D. Vance, who is trailing several GOP candidates in the Senate primary, told Spectrum News 1 that “in Texas they’re trying to make it easier for babies to be born.”

Updated Sep. 23, 2021 5:46PM ET / Published Sep. 23, 2021 4:40PM ET


In a local news interview published Wednesday, author and venture capitalist turned Senate candidate J.D. Vance suggested he would support prohibiting abortion even in cases of rape and incest—and dismissed those catalysts as “inconvenient.”

Asked by Curtis Jackson of Spectrum News 1 in Columbus, OH, whether a woman should be forced to give birth even if the pregnancy was the result of incest or rape, Vance replied that “the question betrays a certain presumption that’s wrong.”


“It’s not whether a woman should be forced to bring a child to term; it’s whether a child should be allowed to live, even though the circumstances of that child’s birth are somehow inconvenient or a problem to the society,” said Vance, who lags behind several Republican candidates in his Ohio primary. “The question to me is really about the baby. We want women to have opportunities, we want women to have choices, but, above all, we want women and young boys in the womb to have a right to life.”...........................................................

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-vance-defends-texas-abortion-ban-calls-rape-inconvenient








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J.D. Vance Defends Texas Abortion Ban, Calls Rape 'Inconvenient' (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2021 OP
J D Vance is a deplorable asshole. He gets more comradebillyboy Sep 2021 #1
Is he trying to be Todd Akin or Richard Mourdock? SouthBayDem Sep 2021 #24
Yes. nt comradebillyboy Sep 2021 #25
How can people be that disgusting and still exist in public life. appleannie1 Sep 2021 #2
+1 IzzaNuDay Sep 2021 #16
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2021 #3
"Women and young boys"??? Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #4
Yeah, that phrase really leaped off the screen at me, too. Hekate Sep 2021 #8
It jumped off the screen at me, too. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #15
Vance's candidacy is also inconvenient and worthy of abortion. nt TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #5
So the question is....how many women has he raped? Lars39 Sep 2021 #6
We read his book because a work colleague of my husband's thought it was fantastic... Hekate Sep 2021 #7
I read his book as well Jimbo S Sep 2021 #17
There are two much better books that have been written as a rebuttal Withywindle Sep 2021 #21
Based upon the unproven an unsupportable assertion. zipplewrath Sep 2021 #9
Reproductive slavery is a LOT more than just inconvenient. It's immoral and human rights abuse... CousinIT Sep 2021 #10
That was a fascinating read! ShazzieB Sep 2021 #18
I really wish we could rec replies! slightlv Sep 2021 #11
Should ask him how he'd feel if it was his daughter that was raped. And not meaning Maraya1969 Sep 2021 #12
That statement is filthy. Vance is a dung bettle. The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #13
"Dung beetle" may be too polite a term for Vance. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #20
"...he would support prohibiting abortion." Grins Sep 2021 #14
Vance deserves to be "inconvenienced." Martin68 Sep 2021 #19
Another GQP Blockhead tonekat Sep 2021 #22
"...we want women and young boys in the womb to have a right to life." yardwork Sep 2021 #23
he should receive a court order requiring him to adopt every unwanted child of rape and incest in TX truthisfreedom Sep 2021 #26

SouthBayDem

(31,959 posts)
24. Is he trying to be Todd Akin or Richard Mourdock?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:00 AM
Sep 2021

Both those Republicans threw away otherwise winnable Senate races in 2012 over their comments that were dismissive of rape and pregnancy. They ran in states where Obama lost!

We can only hope that the people of Ohio in 2022 will be as sensible as the people of Indiana and Missouri were in 2012. Whichever Democrat is running for this senate seat HAS to make these comments in an ad. NOW

appleannie1

(5,042 posts)
2. How can people be that disgusting and still exist in public life.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:49 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe he should spend some time in the general public in a jail and find out just how "inconvenient" it is to be raped.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,746 posts)
3. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:50 PM
Sep 2021

that Mr. Vance has never been pregnant. Probably never been raped, either. And if he were to be raped, the one thing he wouldn't be worrying about would be getting pregnant.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
7. We read his book because a work colleague of my husband's thought it was fantastic...
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 08:10 PM
Sep 2021

Neither of us thought so, though the bits about how factory owners hired practically whole communities of Vance’s immediate ancestors and moved them to another state was interesting. Our impression of him was that by sheer grit ol’ JD had risen above his abused and humble origins, and that was good.

We had one other friend who was really drawn to Vance’s book — like my husband’s colleague, her ancestral origins were deeply Southern.

I have no idea how our friends see Vance now, but we have become increasingly appalled. These comments are just the frosting on the crap cake.

Jimbo S

(2,952 posts)
17. I read his book as well
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 12:25 PM
Sep 2021

looking for some insight.

I had a couple of take-aways, but in general left a bit underwhelmed. I'd give it 3.5 / 5.0

The film version is the last filmed I have seen and its storyline strayed a bit from the book.

I have not been following his campaign.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
21. There are two much better books that have been written as a rebuttal
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:10 PM
Sep 2021

What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia by Elizabeth Catte and Appalachian Reckoning: A Region Responds to Hillbilly Elegy edited by Anthony Harkins and Meredith McCarroll

I can highly recommend both of those. Both have a lot more real history, real discussions of issues the region is facing now, and just a better vibe overall than Vance's smarmy bootstrapper-ism, and a strong refutation of his classism and white supremacy. He has always been terrible (pals with Charles Murray of The Bell Curve infamy). He's always been a sellout using his "hillbilly cred" to kiss up to the rich.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. Based upon the unproven an unsupportable assertion.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 08:39 PM
Sep 2021

The entire antiabortion position is roughly based upon the concept that the fetus is some sort of human deserving of protection by the constitution as a "life". The problem is that there is no basis what so ever for this position. Furthermore, that position is rife with ethical, legal, and moral conflicts. The truth is that the fetus, throughout history, was treated as property, not as a person with some sort of civil rights. Furthermore, that was for reasons that become obvious to anyone who looks critically at the problem. A fetus is so totally dependent upon the mother for life that it is indescribable just how intense this dependency is. And we are discovering over the last 50 years, because of various technologies, that women are pregnant far more often than formerly known. Women often become pregnant, and then the fetus ceases to exist and is reabsorbed. Women often have "miscarriages" very early in pregnancy, some of whom didn't even know they were pregnant.

The bottom line is that science has informed us that pregnancy is NOT the beginning of "life". No more than the egg or the sperm is. Quite honestly, even this "fetal heartbeat" is a joke. It is an electrical function that the ultrasound manufactures have used to generate a sound of a "heartbeat". Even more telling is that research has suggested that we don't even develop anything close to "self awareness" for weeks to months after birth. Our brains are a mass of disconnected synapses that can barely keep us alive. It's not even clear if our pain reactions are anything more than what a worm would have.

Understand, I'm not advocating for some sort of post birth abortion. I think that birth is a legal, moral, and ethical point to invoke civil rights. I'm even willing to discuss issues of "viability" close to the "9th" month. But let's be honest, we can't even decide when life is "over", or issues of end of life decisions. We've totally glossed over the issue of when does "life" in a civil rights sense, begin.

I love that the GQP, who now is in bed with the federalist judges, wants to advocate "originalism", and yet refuse to acknowledge that at the time of the constitution, there was no prohibition of abortion, they barely understood what it was. Abortion, or what we might call today "morning after" solutions have existed virtually throughout history. They might be better described as "forced miscarriges". But the point is that the federal, nor state, governments have any right to assert this control over women, especially based upon the 10th amendment, that reserves these rights to the "people", who are in this case, the women who are pregnant.

CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
10. Reproductive slavery is a LOT more than just inconvenient. It's immoral and human rights abuse...
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 08:41 PM
Sep 2021

problem is, Republican do not consider girls and women fully human. They are considered incubators and male service units.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding/

ShazzieB

(15,952 posts)
18. That was a fascinating read!
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 03:23 PM
Sep 2021

After reading that article, I was dying to read Bridgewater's book, only to learn that the publisher went out of business, forcing the book out of print, and copies are almost impossible to get hold of. I haven't yet decided whether to mount an all out search, but the author's premise is extremely intriguing.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
12. Should ask him how he'd feel if it was his daughter that was raped. And not meaning
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 09:37 PM
Sep 2021

to be a racist but knowing this asshole pretty well, specify that the father is black.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
13. That statement is filthy. Vance is a dung bettle.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 11:03 PM
Sep 2021

Hey Vance you puke why don't you stop flushing all those tissues. You filthy creep.

ShazzieB

(15,952 posts)
20. "Dung beetle" may be too polite a term for Vance.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 04:17 PM
Sep 2021

Personally, I would drop "beetle" and then insert "flaming sack of" before the word "dung." But "dung beetle" works, too. So does "odious, scum sucking dirtbag."

I hope to hell he doesn't get the nomination he's after, because he might win, and God knows we don't need any more like him in the U.S. Senate.

Grins

(7,128 posts)
14. "...he would support prohibiting abortion."
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 12:50 AM
Sep 2021

Said the man from Sister-Fuck, KY.

Maybe he should read his own book.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
23. "...we want women and young boys in the womb to have a right to life."
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:36 AM
Sep 2021

If only female fetuses were aborted, I wonder if these people would care? Is it only the "little boys in the womb" they care about?

There it is.

truthisfreedom

(23,113 posts)
26. he should receive a court order requiring him to adopt every unwanted child of rape and incest in TX
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:07 AM
Sep 2021

for the rest of his term.

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