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Celerity

(42,674 posts)
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:43 AM Sep 2021

'Necessary for security': veteran Taliban enforcer says amputations will resume

Last edited Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Guardian UK

Nooruddin Turabi, in charge of Afghan prisons, says executions and removal of hands will restart, but possibly not in public


Afghanistan's Taliban leader Mullah Nooruddin Turabi. 'No one will tell us what our laws should be.'

The Taliban will resume executions and the amputation of hands for criminals they convict, in a return to their harsh version of Islamic justice. According to a senior official – a veteran leader of the hardline Islamist group who was in charge of justice during its previous period in power – executions would not necessarily take place in public as they did before. The Taliban’s first period ruling Afghanistan during the 1990s, before they were toppled by a US-led invasion in 2001 following the 9/11 attacks, was marked by the grisly excesses of its perfunctory justice system, which included public executions in the football stadium in Kabul.

In an interview with Associated Press, Mullah Nooruddin Turabi – who was justice minister and head of the so-called ministry of propagation of virtue and prevention of vice during the Taliban’s previous rule – dismissed outrage over the Taliban’s executions in the past, which sometimes took place in front of crowds at a stadium, and warned the world against interfering with Afghanistan’s new rulers. Under the new Taliban government, Turabi is in charge of prisons. He is among a number of Taliban leaders, including members of the all-male interim cabinet, who are on a United Nations sanctions list.

“Everyone criticised us for the punishments in the stadium, but we have never said anything about their laws and their punishments,” Turabi said in Kabul. “No one will tell us what our laws should be. We will follow Islam and we will make our laws on the Qur’an.” “Cutting off of hands is very necessary for security,” Turabi added, saying it had a deterrent effect. He said the cabinet was studying whether to carry out punishments in public and would “develop a policy”.

Turabi’s comments follow warnings from Afghans who fled the country following the US withdrawal that the Taliban’s system of justice was more likely to follow the model of the way its “shadow courts” meted out punishments in areas it controlled, rather than the system that operated under the western-backed former government. The shadow court system, headed by Mawlavi Abdul Hakim Sharie, who is the Taliban’s new justice minister, was used to undermine the authority of the previous regime, resolving disputes in a country where many felt they had little access to legal remedy.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/24/afghanistan-taliban-enforcer-says-amputations-will-resume

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'Necessary for security': veteran Taliban enforcer says amputations will resume (Original Post) Celerity Sep 2021 OP
A face that says Monsieur_Grumpe Sep 2021 #1
Afghanistan's Taliban leader Mullah Nooruddin Turabi. 'No one will tell us what our laws should be. Celerity Sep 2021 #2
with guns. nt Javaman Sep 2021 #10
How very Old Testament of them - I'm guessing the US Talibangelists are jealous. Probatim Sep 2021 #3
So they are doing this wholesale in a stadium underpants Sep 2021 #4
Religion. F%&k religion. Itchinjim Sep 2021 #5
Yes. Yes. "Fuck religion..." they seem to have a surfeit of harsh justice - harumph Sep 2021 #6
And they want a seat at the diplomatic table? The Blue Flower Sep 2021 #7
Agreed. Delphinus Sep 2021 #20
Was he one of the released prisoners? Was he invited to Camp David? rainin Sep 2021 #8
Pakistan let this POS out of prison in 2013. Would promote peace they said. Right....... Ziggysmom Sep 2021 #9
They eat that shit up. Turbineguy Sep 2021 #11
Bet he's a hoot at parties! Nt VarryOn Sep 2021 #12
Sounds like the GOP dream come true. TeamProg Sep 2021 #13
How interesting DFW Sep 2021 #14
And by insisting they deserve respect from others who don't. Hortensis Sep 2021 #25
Stomach turning barbarism. The photo above makes me think of a wrathful and vengeful Jehovah. Martin68 Sep 2021 #15
You know he looks a little like Jonathan Winters. nt cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #16
Sad that after 20 years, amcgrath Sep 2021 #17
Republicans are sending a delegation to Afghanistan to take notes. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2021 #18
Well in another thread in this very forum radicalleft Sep 2021 #19
link please, TIA Celerity Sep 2021 #22
Here ya go radicalleft Sep 2021 #23
chalk and cheese nt Celerity Sep 2021 #24
Yes indeed. Owl Sep 2021 #27
Along with losing a hand Marthe48 Sep 2021 #21
Beyond dreadful. Rs have moved to RW extremism, but western Hortensis Sep 2021 #26
Haven't seen posts from you for awhile :) Marthe48 Sep 2021 #29
Hmmm... If they exiled both sinners, tho, it probably would not have Hortensis Sep 2021 #30
and there you have it Marthe48 Sep 2021 #31
Screw these zealots Mz Pip Sep 2021 #28

harumph

(1,871 posts)
6. Yes. Yes. "Fuck religion..." they seem to have a surfeit of harsh justice -
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 07:26 AM
Sep 2021

while we have a deficit of even adequate justice. How many fingers
should our insurrectionists lose? Oh no! that would be barbaric!
How many years will our white collar criminal get before he's out
to steal again? None. He's very sorry you see.
Cutting off hands is worthy of ridicule - not arguing - but little or no
consequences encourages bad behavior. We seem to have no consequences
for peddling in lies that are killing people - or those who commit treasonous
acts. The oligarchs that run this country don't want to set a bad example.

Delphinus

(11,808 posts)
20. Agreed.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:58 AM
Sep 2021

Even before this I said that in light of their treatment of females it should be a resounding NO.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
8. Was he one of the released prisoners? Was he invited to Camp David?
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:10 AM
Sep 2021

If he was, every story written should include that detail.

TeamProg

(5,788 posts)
13. Sounds like the GOP dream come true.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Turn in your niece or neighbor for having an abortion.

DFW

(54,057 posts)
14. How interesting
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:28 AM
Sep 2021

The crulest dispensers of “justice,” from the Inquisition to the Taliban, always seem to justify their atrocities by saying it’s God’s will, and then never manage to back that claim up with anything other than their own self-bestowed authority.

amcgrath

(397 posts)
17. Sad that after 20 years,
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 07:08 PM
Sep 2021

the taliban are returning such barbaric customs to the country, sinking their justice system to the level of those great american allies the Saudis

18. Republicans are sending a delegation to Afghanistan to take notes.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:47 PM
Sep 2021

These are same guys who think "The Handmaiden's Tale" is an instruction book.

radicalleft

(478 posts)
19. Well in another thread in this very forum
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:02 AM
Sep 2021

Folks are arguing that these "barbaric" practices are a cultural & religious right and damn anyone for trying to dictate otherwise!

Marthe48

(16,695 posts)
21. Along with losing a hand
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:35 AM
Sep 2021

They usually cut off the right hand, which is used for communal eating. Not allowed to put the left hand in the pot, because of its uses. So basically, sentencing a person to starvation.

r's are heading us that way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Beyond dreadful. Rs have moved to RW extremism, but western
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:22 PM
Sep 2021

version. No hands, but this reminds me of nice "mainstream-choice Republican" Jeb! Bush suggesting returning to shunning by family and public as a way to lower the rate of teen pregnancies. No mention of what it'd do to the very high teen suicide rate, but not long ago our movies showed death of unchaste women as the appropriate moral consequence. So I could see them returning to expelling pregnant girls from school, encouraging families to cast them out, etc.

Marthe48

(16,695 posts)
29. Haven't seen posts from you for awhile :)
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:52 PM
Sep 2021

I don't want to see anyone shunned, but once again, it takes 2 to tango. Unfair for the mother to be left on the dance floor alone. It is ridiculous that one gender demands sex and the other gender is taught to say no. And Mother Nature holds all of the cards for successful propagation. conservative women-haters don't condemn men for acting on their urges, but crucify women for the same urges.

taliban already told female government workers to stay home.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Hmmm... If they exiled both sinners, tho, it probably would not have
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:11 PM
Sep 2021

quite the chastening effect on either the female sinner or other females that was intended.

This way the female sinner get the punishment she earned (and carries any undesired consequences to the families away with her), while the good girls can be rewarded by keeping the guy available for a husband.

Should make sense to any 14th century mind.

Marthe48

(16,695 posts)
31. and there you have it
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 04:57 PM
Sep 2021

Control over reproduction has nothing to do with chastity and all to do with control.

Mz Pip

(27,404 posts)
28. Screw these zealots
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:28 PM
Sep 2021

These horribles want to be part of the global community. Whoever is sending them aid needs to stop; not that the Saudis give a shit about such punishments.

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